They'd be defined primarily be their cost restrictions. Build the best combat ship you can under, say, the following requirements: 1.5yr build time, 500kt tonnage, 4 total crew, 50br 50sr. The whole point is that in the event of a huge war expected to last a few years, all member fleets can start spamming them in most nearly any of their berths and deploy them before the war ends.
I don't see why not. I think the Ares was basically a completed design before it was sunk for political reasons. I was actually thinking of designing a successor called the Athena for member nations.
My thoughts on the roles for a full tactical reorganisation, it grandfathers in legacy ships and introduces new types rather then trying to define garrison/combat/other within class. Could be further extended to split cruisers for a Battlecruiser Multirole cruiser role
Rule of cool means I would like the following even if it makes no damn sense.
Federation Capital
Filled by: Envoy class (Extreme Presence Diplomatic ship)
Tonnage: 7mt (saucer/stardrive constructed in adjacent 3.6mt berths)
Intention: If your going to diplomance an event, do it in style.
Heavy Engineering
Filled by: Pylon class
Tonnage: 3.5mt
Intention: Consolidate engineering team ships into one purpose build frame, reduce the draw on other AUX ships.
So, intelligence reports. Earlier I said I wanted an update on the prospect of long term peace with the Cardassians, but I was assuming that we wouldn't be repeatedly poking them, and it's sort of obvious they won't be very willing to hold to a long term peace if it looks like the last few months. Maybe after a couple of years of things calming down it would more sense to investigate this. Right now we definitely should be going back to requesting tactical updates every year, considering that we will have at least two free Cardassian reports and evidently a significant chance of combat even when things looked calm in Q2.
Tactics and shipbuilding report for the Cardassians this year. I figure that's the best way to figure if they have a new ship refit or prototype in the works. Shipyard report last year may have been incomplete or fuzzy on this.
Wasn't expecting such a high stat line at that max tonnage or fast build speed. Was hoping for at least C3 S1 H3 L3 P1 D1. This is meant to be the emergency combat spam ship. I don't think there's need for it now, but if large-scale war is imminent, it's something to consider.
Alternatively, convince the Amarki to design such a ship that other member fleets can spam. Their fleet design doctrine is really good for designing lots of ship classes. Starfleet itself has less need for such a design, with our HIPs and min berth size of 1mt.
I don't see why not. I think the Ares was basically a completed design before it was sunk for political reasons. I was actually thinking of designing a successor called the Athena for member nations.
In an effort to produce results on what was quickly becoming a resource black hole Admiral Rogers ordered a prototype vessel under construction before research on final systems was even complete. This 'concurrency' effort was announced as a way to include the most cutting edge equipment on Starfleet ships, and produce a vessel capable of serving for a generation.
However the results were chaos at the San Francisco shipyards and program office, as conflicts between designs and repeated revisions caused massive delays and even completed sections of the prototype had to be stripped and rebuilt from scratch.
"Tell you what. I'll get a team to pull some salvaged cable from the hulk of the Ares and compare against modern samples of Cat Twelve, and you tell me if it's good enough to do the job."
[X][TECH] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals)
[X][TECH] Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion)
[X][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Maintain a strong Forward Defense.
- (Complete at least six Forward Defense technologies, put a Starbase in every Border Zone, and complete the first slide of Foreign Analysis Research for both the Harmony of Horizon and the Klingon Empire.)
- FD "technologies" means 6 full slides.
[X][COUNCIL] 2317 Snakepit – Intelligence and EC Reorg
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Ashindi]
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Sydraxians]
Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 30pp [Foreign Analysis/Xenopsychology]
Request Academy Development, 45pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
Request Cruiser berth at Utopia Planitia, 11pp (6 turns, gain new 2m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Lasieth Craft Yards, 8pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Reorganise Starfleet Engineering Command to be a separate reporting Command that reports directly to Commander, Starfleet, 60pp
Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. (25pp for Explorer Corps.)
Deploy Improved Listening Posts to a Border Zone to gain a 25% chance of generating +1 Intel report for powers on that border. (Klingon Border Zone), 20pp
Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 70pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
NEW Request new Auxiliary Shipyard at Ferasa), 40pp, (12 turns, 1x2mt, 4x1mt Berth)
Total: 409pp
Total Cost 409 PP
Council Sessions Preparing
Determination on Invitations to Accession
Shipyard Expansions Commenced / Complete
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth) - ETC 2318.Q2
Request Cruiser berth at Utopia Planitia, 11pp (6 turns, gain new 2m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build] - ETC 2318.Q4
Request development of Lasieth Craft Yards, 8pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build] - ETC 2318.Q2
Request new Auxiliary Shipyard at Ferasa), 40pp, (12 turns, 1x2mt, 4x1mt Berth) - ETC 2320.Q2
Installations Commenced / Complete
Starship infrastructure is expanding on Amarkia
Starbase 13 complete at Shrantet III, KBZ - Sector command functions migrating from Tipperary to Shrantet III for now
Starbase 14 complete at Indoria, Apinae Sector
Deploy Improved Listening Posts to a Border Zone to gain a 25% chance of generating +1 Intel report for powers on that border. (Klingon Border Zone), 20pp - ETC 2318.Q2
Starfleet Academy
Request Academy Development, 45pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput) - Come into effect next income period
Tech Teams Requested
Three:
Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals)
Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion)
Technocracy Interstellar Ministry (Sk 3, Xenopsychology / Foreign Analysis)
(QM/N: Anyone want to save me some dough and take a crack at these logos? )
Starfleet Reorganisation
Starfleet Engineering Command to be designated an independent Command, reporting to Comamander, Starfleet, under a Rear Admiral - will occur by end of next year.
Starfleet Explorer Corps to be reorganised to a Vice Admiral billet - will occur by the end of the year.
Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 70pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
Diplomatic Pushes:
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Ashidi]
Ashidi 93/100 + 29 = 122/500
Getting past the paranoia of the Ashidi was no easy task, though it helped that the Konen, for all the advantages their telepathy gave them, are a very unsettling people to be around. Not so much for the telepathically resistant Cardassians, but certainly for the rest of us. The offices of the Public Concordat are exchanging Ambassadors with the Federation, and seeking closer links. The key breakthroughs were made on trade reassurances, courtesy of veteran Vulcan diplomat Sanuk.
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Sydraxians]
Sydraxians 50/100 + (19 / 2 = 10) = 60/100
It's not as open as hoped. The Obsidian Order is thick on the ground, the Tal Shiar is present, Yrillians are involved, there are subfactions of every faction in play and in general it is a colossal mess. That's the bad news. The good news is that although the Obsidian Order is aware of our presence, they are making no meaningful protest, at least under the Treaty of Celos. I mean, they are trying to kill us, and the operatives of Office 37 are doing their best to return the favour, but they're not making legalistic arguments. Either the Cardassians recognise that with the fall of first the Reds and then the Greens, the Sydraxian government tied to the Ashalla Pact effectively no longer exists ... or else our presence here is just considered par for the course in their mind. So far it looks like the Graduates are gaining inertia, and if we wish to push a different barrow, we may have to make some further investments.
From: Commander Argrut Lannoch, Superintendent, Ana Font Shipyard Berth 1
To: Admiral Hikaru Sulu, Starfleet Command; Commodore Cergun ag Hugac, Director, Ana Font Shipyards; Vice Admiral Sirvk, Shipyard Operations Command
Subject: Certificate of Completion
To Whom It May Concern,
As per Starfleet Regulations IV-12 (a) and United Federation of Planets Edict, as Superintendent of this Shipyard Berth, I herein certify that the project under my command, the construction of the USS Reason (Renaissance-class Cruiser, Fleet Order NCC-2602) is complete, assessed, and ready to be presented to the Fleet Register.
Sincerely,
CommanderArgrut Lannoch
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The requested builds, refits, and repairs scheduled for this quarter have completed, namely:
USS Reason, Renaissance-class, NCC-2602 @ Ana Font Shipyard Berth 1
The requested builds, refits, and repairs scheduled for this quarter have commenced, namely:
Starfleet Cargo Ship (Starfleet Build Order NCC-3713) @ Lasieth Craft Yards Berth 2
Starfleet Cargo Ship (Starfleet Build Order NCC-3714) @ Lasieth Craft Yards Berth 3
Super-Freighter (Starfleet Build Order NCC-3606) to commence at Intazzi Shipyard Berth A at 2317.Q2
Starfleet Cargo Ship (Starfleet Build Order NCC-3709) to commence at Intazzi Shipyard Berth 1 at 2317.Q2
One Freighter (Starfleet Build Order NCC-3608) to commence at Ana Font Shipyard Berth 1 in 2317.Q2
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The following ships have drawn crews:
USS Spirit, Excelsior-A-class Explorer (Starfleet Build Order NCC-2025) @ Utopia Planitia Berth A
Crewed from Standard: 6 Officer, 5 Enlisted, 5 Technician
USS Opportunity, Excelsior-A-class Explorer (Starfleet Build Order NCC-2026) @ Utopia Planitia Berth C
Crewed from Explorer Corps: 6 Officer, 5 Enlisted, 5 Technician
Major World: Adad Bande
- Installations: Shipyard (1x2500kt, 2x750kt), Outpost I
Major World: Ashira
- Installations: Shipyard (2x750kt), Starbase I
Major World: Gad
- Installations: Shipyard (1x1000kt), Starbase I
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Sydraxians]
Sydraxians 50/100 + (19 / 2 = 10) = 60/100
It's not as open as hoped. The Obsidian Order is thick on the ground, the Tal Shiar is present, Yrillians are involved, there are subfactions of every faction in play and in general it is a colossal mess. That's the bad news. The good news is that although the Obsidian Order is aware of our presence, they are making no meaningful protest, at least under the Treaty of Celos. I mean, they are trying to kill us, and the operatives of Office 37 are doing their best to return the favour, but they're not making legalistic arguments. Either the Cardassians recognise that with the fall of first the Reds and then the Greens, the Sydraxian government tied to the Ashalla Pact effectively no longer exists ... or else our presence here is just considered par for the course in their mind. So far it looks like the Graduates are gaining inertia, and if we wish to push a different barrow, we may have to make some further investments.
Major World: Becarra
- Installations: Saiya Exultant Yard (3x1000kt), Outpost I
Major World: Ucuta
- Installations: Fore of Wonders (2x1200kt), Outpost I
Nice reward for the Honiani, we also have the Ked Peddah coming on sometime soon. Between us and our members four Renissance finished work up. Oh and we now have 10 Crago ships, 5 freighters and 1 super freighter under construction. And it looks like Ashidi just affiliated which is nice. Shame on the halving of the push with the Sydraxians.
Prototype hospital ship rolls out in Q4 this year. Expect it to be replaced by a new build immediately and maybe a second one in Q2 once the fifth auxiliary berth at Armakia comes online.
Also, like all disaster workers it is GOOD that the medical teams aren't working themselves to the bone. It's a sign that the system is working well, assuming that problems aren't being ignored.
Shipyard Expansions Commenced / Complete
Oreasa Starfleet Yards at Betazed Orbit, Berth 1, 2 (1,000kt) complete and are available for use
Expansion of Utopia Planitia, Berth D (3mt) & Berth 4 (1mt) complete and are available for use
Also this may be a repeat since it appeared in last year's Snakepit Results but it might just be you saying the construction is still ongoing. Please advise.
From a practical standpoint, member fleets may operate with different doctrines, like Apiata with swarm doctrine, and they'd be far better at designing ships to suit that doctrine
Wasn't expecting such a high stat line at that max tonnage or fast build speed. Was hoping for at least C3 S1 H3 L3 P1 D1. This is meant to be the emergency combat spam ship. I don't think there's need for it now, but if large-scale war is imminent, it's something to consider.
C3 S1 H2 L4 D4 is doable. I can't squeeze H3 on something that size. The D stat is basically free, you actually have to cripple the ship to get D less than 3 these days, and 4 fit by swapping Nacelles and didn't end up costing additional SR. C4 might be possible with tech not on the sheet yet (Isolinear). 50/45, 1/2/1 crew, aye. E: Forgot it was a 45sr design.
E2: Really need to stop posting before I've tweaked to hell and back. D3 does mean 40sr instead of 45, so there's that.
Hmm. What's the tonnage of the two classes of Ked Paddah Battleships? They only have a single 2,5kT berth for having built eight of them not counting possible war losses, and I can't really see a 1kT ship, their next-smaller available berth size of which they also have only one, being called a Battleship. Then again, apparently they don't have any Cruisers, maybe it's because of that.
The berths were mistakenly listed as 7,500kt instead of 750kt, that was what DarknessSmiles was pointing out. 7,500kt for reference converts to 7.5mt so you can understand why we'd want them if we could get them.
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Wow, those are some serious beths!
