Would be worth doing if we approach the combat cap. And even with the new cap calculations we'll get there before we dig ourselves out of our logistics hole.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Jenny
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Someone please draw this. It should be delightfully absurd.
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That's not entirely clear to say the least, in 2314 we were 5 Freighters and 8 Cargo Ships short of being able to cover our needs (of 9 Freighters, 20 Cargo total).
Relevant MWCO notifications since then:
2315.Q2:
Comissioned:
Starfleet Cargo Ship (NCC-3701)
Starfleet Cargo Ship
2316.Q1
Commenced:
Starfleet Cargo Ship (NCC-3706)
Starfleet Cargo Ship (NCC-3705)
Starfleet Freighter (NCC-3602)
2 Starfleet Cargo Ship (NCC-3707, 3708)
Commissioned
Starfleet Cargo Ship (NCC-3704)
Starfleet Cargo Ship (NCC-3705)
2316.Q2
Commenced:
Starfleet Freighter (NCC-3605)
We also currently have 3 Freighters being built at the Lasieth Auxiliary shipyards, two of which complete early next year, the third in 2319. That means ships currently under construction are sufficient to catch up to our 2314 needs, and a couple more years at this pace should be enough to catch up to then current needs. We will also want some reserve for state of emergencies, but that should also be manageable, particularly if we build more berths than we need and explicitly keep some of them open for the Auxiliary Commands.
As for the combat cap, we are currently at about 200 used out of (150 + 10*10)*1.5 = 375 available, and can expect the cap to rise to (150 + 21*10)*1.5 = 540 after all current affiliates join if threat stays constant. Building up to that should take until 2325 or so, and by then we might have members who currently aren't even affiliates yet.
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- alphen aan den rijn
maybe add to that tally some support ships and we be oke i think
Not quite sure I understood what this story was about. It was a little hard to follow. It's kind of a random conversation between two Apiata?
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- Austria
It was slice of liiiife IN SPACE.
It was totally cute and adorable.
Jenny
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Since we're getting closer to the end of the year, I don't recall if I've posted it but here is a tentative 2317 shipyard ops plan. Using the Apinae shipyard for the long-demanded auxiliary construction, with the understanding that we'll simply bump the builds if needed for wartime repairs. Assumes that the Heavy Industrial Park will be up and running by the beginning of next year, since no completion data has ever been stated. Note that it would be possible to do another Excelsior build in 40 Eridani Berth A rather than the Constellation, but we would have to use the Snakepit to ask for an Excelsior's worth of resources. I don't really think it's worth it. Constellations are cheap and useful.
[no vote][BUILD] 2317 1 Excelsior, 2 Excelsior refits, 1 Miranda-A, 2 Miranda-A refits, 3 Constellation-As, 2 Constellation Refits, 5 Renaissance
[no vote][BUILD] 2317 1 Excelsior, 2 Excelsior refits, 1 Miranda-A, 2 Miranda-A refits, 3 Constellation-As, 2 Constellation Refits, 5 Renaissance
- SF Berth A (3mt) – In 2317.Q1 commence Constellation-A using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2319.Q2)
- SF Berth 1 (1mt) – When berth clears in 2317.Q4, commence Miranda-A build using 'serial production' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2319.Q2)
- SF Berth 2 (1mt) – In 2317.Q1 commence Constellation-A using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2319.Q2)
- 40 Eridani Berth A (3mt) – Commence Constellation-A in 2317.Q1 (ETC 2320.Q1)
- 40 Eridani Berth B (3mt) – Commence Excelsior-A in 2317.Q1 with 1qt off build time from Admiral Sirvk bonus (ETC 2320.Q4)
- 40 Eridani Berth 1 (1mt) – Begin refit of Dryad to Mirada-A in 2317.Q1 (ETC 2318.Q1)
- 40 Eridani Berth 2 (1mt) - Begin refit of Calypso to Miranda-A in 2317.Q1 (ETC 2318.Q1)
- Oreasa Starfleet Berth 1 (1mt) – In 2317.Q3, begin refit of Kearsage to Constellation-A (ETC 2318.Q3)
- Oreasa Starfleet Berth 2 (1mt) – In 2316.Q3, begin refit of Vigour to Constellation-A (ETC 2318.Q3)
- Ana Font Berth A (2.5mt) – In 2317.Q1 begin refit of Excelsior to Excelsior-A (ETC 2318.Q1)
- Ana Font Berth 1 (1mt) – In 2317.Q2 commence Renaissance build (ETC 2320.Q2)
- LOCF Berth A (2.5mt) – In 2317.Q1 begin refit of Kumari to Excelsior-A (ETC 2318.Q1)
- LOCF Berth 1 (1mt) – Occupied with Renaissance build (ETC 2318.Q2)
- Apinae Shipyard Berth A (3mt) – Available 2317.Q2. Notify Auxiliary Command that berth can be made available for up to 16 quarters (4 years) if they wish to conduct a super-freighter here.
- Apinae Shipyard Berth 1 (1mt) – Available 2317.Q2. Notify Auxiliary Command that berth will be available for up to 12 quarters (3 years) if they wish to conduct auxiliary ship construction here.
- UP Berth A (3mt) – Occupied with Excelsior-A double build using Chen's bonus (ETC 2318.Q2)
- UP Berth B (3mt) – Occupied with Ambassador prototype as dual build using Chen's bonus. (ETC 2321.Q4)
- UP Berth C (3mt) – Occupied with Excelsior-A double build using Chen's bonus (ETC 2318.Q2)
- UP Berth D (3mt) – Occupied with Ambassador prototype as dual build using Chen's bonus. (ETC 2321.Q4)
- UP Berth 1 (1mt) – In 2317.Q1 commence Renaissance build using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2319.Q2)
- UP Berth 2 (1mt) - In 2317.Q1 commence Renaissance build using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2319.Q2)
- UP Berth 3 (1mt) - In 2317.Q1 commence Renaissance build using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2319.Q2)
- UP Berth 4 (1mt) – In 2317.Q1 commence Renaissance build using 'parallel construction' industrial park bonus. (ETC 2319.Q2)
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Wasn't this berth meant to be available for repairs so as to save towing time? I suppose constructions there could be bumped, but that doesn't seem to happen by default if there is a suitable free berth available further away.
Saving on towing time only really matters in the event of a war (in which case I assume we'd be more than willing to bump construction). Otherwise, who cares about an extra month or whatever in transit time?
Particularly since we may soon be down to only a single ship in the GBZ that would require a 3mt yard.
Only two more that haven't yet started their refit. Once we do the Dryad and the Calypso, we'll be done.
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Docana:
[looks at her prospective statline, post-refit]
"C4 S5 H3 L4 P4 D4... Science... five..."
[looks up Science stat of Oberths and Excelsiors]
"Science... five..."
[bounces]
"OOOH OOH DOES THIS MEAN I GET TO BE A SCIENCE VESSEL? YAAAY!"
"...It's okay, I can wait."
When we ordered the yard, I think we expected intense combat in the Gabriel Expanse to last longer; as it stands, there hasn't been heavy fighting in that region since Lora III. Therefore, there seems less pressing need to keep the berths open. Maybe we'll need them and maybe we won't, but explorer-sized berths are too few in number for us to be happy leaving one entirely empty for years on the off chance we'll need to repair a damaged explorer. It's been... what, 18-24 months since an explorer was damaged in the Gabriel Expanse?
[looks at her prospective statline, post-refit]
"C4 S5 H3 L4 P4 D4... Science... five..."
[looks up Science stat of Oberths and Excelsiors]
"Science... five..."
[bounces]
"OOOH OOH DOES THIS MEAN I GET TO BE A SCIENCE VESSEL? YAAAY!"
"...It's okay, I can wait."
Romulans are actually fairly catlike in personality, or such is my impression. Klingons are more wolfish (not tame enough for dogs). No wonder they don't get along at all...
The Apinae shipyard is there mainly for repairs in wartime. We're not operating under wartime levels of repair needs.
When we ordered the yard, I think we expected intense combat in the Gabriel Expanse to last longer; as it stands, there hasn't been heavy fighting in that region since Lora III. Therefore, there seems less pressing need to keep the berths open. Maybe we'll need them and maybe we won't, but explorer-sized berths are too few in number for us to be happy leaving one entirely empty for years on the off chance we'll need to repair a damaged explorer. It's been... what, 18-24 months since an explorer was damaged in the Gabriel Expanse?
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Thors_Alumni
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I am all in favor of building some more berths in the Apinae shipyard. As in we do nothing but build berths there on the next snakepit. It would be better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them.
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The main thing that increases our logistics footprint is mining colonies and to a lesser extent, budget increases and ratification. Any increase of 30 resources represents about three additional transport ships required, times the multiplier, fortunately colony supply is taken care of on the outbound route. So every Snakepit we order up three resource colonies (as in every Snakepit) is a permanent 3-6 additional logistics ships we need. A starbase is an additional 1 ship. And those budgetary requirements you're discussing don't include transportation for projects, which are approximately 150 to 200 units worth divided into 6 two-month chunks for a year-long project, or another two to three transports worth. A ratification might represent another 4 to 6 transports needed although we can then draw from their merchant marine.
So no, we aren't likely to catch up anytime soon.
e: more like 1-2 per colony, corrected
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Have both like Voyager!
I'm with Anon_User, I want to see this So Bad!
It sounds like the sort of thing the Gaen would do when they finally build their Ambassador!
Docana:
[looks at her prospective statline, post-refit]
"C4 S5 H3 L4 P4 D4... Science... five..."
[looks up Science stat of Oberths and Excelsiors]
"Science... five..."
[bounces]
"OOOH OOH DOES THIS MEAN I GET TO BE A SCIENCE VESSEL? YAAAY!"
"...It's okay, I can wait."
I'm now excited for the Constellation-B Refit!
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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Geez I keep catching myself trying to find ways to do parallel builds outside of UP. Man, I'll miss Chen's Shipyard Ops tenure
@OneirosTheWriter, can you confirm the ETC of the Mars Heavy Industrial Park? (or update the front page)
I believe starbases only need ships when they're not in the system of a major world. When they are, they are assumed to be able to supply themselves locally. Also, is there a 1-for-1 on Special/Bulk resources and small/bulk cargo?
Geez I keep catching myself trying to find ways to do parallel builds outside of UP. Man, I'll miss Chen's Shipyard Ops tenure
The Industrial Park also applies to the San Francisco Yards, meaning it might be worth our while to add another 3mt berth there one year or another.
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Meanwhile I was going through some old posts and found ones that are very ~prophetic~ in hindsight.
Man is this the worst sort of silver lining you can get lol
Enterprise-B gone up in flames? Well now we can have an Enterprise-C!
...
Fair point on starbases.
I'm using this example for my numbers, whose math only works if it's a 1:1, however route length means multiple trips are possible. That still comes out to about one additional ship per mining colony.
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Priorities.
I'd argue that improving frontier defenses is more important.
If they roll over Risa or Lapycorias, berths won't matter as much.
It is better to not take the damage in the first place.
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2314 we had a yearly income of 830 BR 610 SR and 11 Starbases. According to you that should have resulted in a requirement of 155 logistic ships, instead of the 29 that were actually required. Even just assuming 3 per mining colony and nothing else would have meant 48 ships.
"Nothing but berths there" is silly, but we should probably expand one or more of our shipyards.
A good point. Luckily, we're apparently going to get actual quotas to meet, so this sort of reverse-engineering calculation should be unnecessary.
I sadly don't have the time to do the math right now but what happens if you deduct the income we get from member/affiliates worlds? I could see their donations to Starfleet being covered by their logistics systems.
What reasons would the Cardassians actually have for attacking Risa? It is accessible through their clients and not that defended, but they also dont really gain any advantage from controlling it and we would get tons of war support from them doing the space equivalent of kicking a puppy.
They would probably also need to be worried about the loyality of any soldier they send to garrison it...
They would probably also need to be worried about the loyality of any soldier they send to garrison it...