We may have opportunities, but I don't see them as as good opportunities as this one. We'd be spending pp to make SDB, SYO, or Tactical full Admiral. Do we want Admiral Chen in one of those slots? I feel we want her in Operations more than the other three.
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We may have opportunities, but I don't see them as as good opportunities as this one. We'd be spending pp to make SDB, SYO, or Tactical full Admiral. Do we want Admiral Chen in one of those slots? I feel we want her in Operations more than the other three.
- Location
- USA
SYO would be keeping her in the current slot. SDB is a possibility if we want to swap the two down the line.
I feel she's not the kind of person who wants to stay in the same place for quite so long:
SDB is a possibility, but seeing what she brings to Operations seems to have more potential. SDB would also necessitate another shuffle, as Eaton is new to rank and we'd expect her to stay a few years. Seems pretty crap to promote Eaton to SDB then promote Chen over her in 2-3 years. If it's longer, Chen's at SYO for too long.
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
- Location
- Laniakea Supercluster
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
- Location
- Australia
Yeah, Chen would prefer to broaden her experiences. I just haven't been as on the ball as I'd like about forcing some churn between senior positions.
And since I accidentally made Chen OP I've been leery of the inevitable salt when I take her away
And since I accidentally made Chen OP I've been leery of the inevitable salt when I take her away
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
Shame about Tharvasse but Chen deserves some fresh job that excites her a bit more.
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
Shame about Tharvasse but Chen deserves some fresh job that excites her a bit more.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Tangential to the vote: TBH I hope the heavy industrial park is NOT like Chen's bonus. Because her bonus is very specific to only builds, and only parallel builds at that. Meanwhile, heavy industry teams have shown a greater breadth of capabilities. At a minimum, the heavy industrial park should provide at least some benefit to all types of berth activity, regardless of whether its new builds, refits, or repairs.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
Oh good, a vote that doesn't have Chen in SYO. Sweep away those broken bonii early, thank you.
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
Oh good, a vote that doesn't have Chen in SYO. Sweep away those broken bonii early, thank you.
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
- Location
- Seattle, WA
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
I can life with the Delay and Start Build wave now that we know it can work.
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
I can life with the Delay and Start Build wave now that we know it can work.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Yeah, Chen would prefer to broaden her experiences. I just haven't been as on the ball as I'd like about forcing some churn between senior positions.
And since I accidentally made Chen OP I've been leery of the inevitable salt when I take her away
Right, I've been playing Devil's Advocate on Chen for a while, but I do like the idea of grooming Chen for the top job. This just tips me over. I'm also curious to see what OP ability Chen will display in her new job
@OneirosTheWriter, we still need to know exactly how Chen's parallel build bonus will work once Chen's no longer in SYO - for our build planning, if nothing else. We need to know if the Ambassadors prototypes (assuming build time of 29 quarters) will take 22 or 28 or the full 29 build quarters if Chen transfers in Q3.
I'll do a variation on the Q3 transfer vote.
I have mixed feelings on promoting Eaton to Vice Admiral. I'm not convinced by the age argument, and agree with SWB that's it a mixture of career ambitions, time in rank, time in current job, and overall career length that determines retirement age. Plus medical technology advancements will make 70 the new 60, etc. I also like the idea that was floated about the prestigious yet quiet Sol sector command.
I also am uncomfortable with leaving ch'Tharvasse hanging (sorry, "on sabbatical"). He may not have had as much screen time as Sousa, but he reminds me of her in some ways, and is remains useful behind the scenes. I have some doubts he's Commander Starfleet material, but I do think his additional experience would help Sulu a lot.
So, I'm going to vote ch'Tharvasse for the SDB billet instead of Eaton. Now that may not seem like the greatest fit, but we honestly don't know what his prior experience is - for all we know, his stint at Starfleet Intelligence and foreign analysis could've been just as useful as Chen's Explorer Corps experience is to Operations.
Finally, I'm going to abstain on SYO vote, because: a) excluding Chen, I'm ambivalent on it; and b) it would be funny if Chen won both OPS and SYO votes
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Shey ch'Tharvasse
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Shey ch'Tharvasse
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Shey ch'Tharvasse
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
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Since Oneiros seems willing to let us get away wiht playing the system with regards to Chen's bonus and the Enterprise-C I'll be changing my vote.
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
- Location
- Infraspace
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
Out of interest, is the consensus for the Probert or canon design for the Ambassador?
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
Out of interest, is the consensus for the Probert or canon design for the Ambassador?
From: PISCES
To: SAGITTARIUS, GEMINI
Subject: Plan ATHENA
Fellow Zodiacs,
Our plan to acquire time travel data in order to create a stable temporal loop from which to draw a font of Patricia Chens has failed. Frankly speaking, that was probably something of a long shot. Still, the other potential applications we will miss out on stings.
I believe it is time for GEMINI to begin the ATHENA project. As Zeus drew forth a daughter from his own mind, so shall the fruits of our minds draw forth an army of clone Chens.
Regards,
Pisces
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
- Location
- definitely the ground
- Pronouns
- They/Them/It
[X][TAC] Rear Admiral Pathe Lathriss
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SDB] Rear Admiral Victoria Eaton
[X][OPS] Vice Admiral Patricia Chen (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][COS] Vice Admiral Nyota Uhura (in Q3 if permitted)
[X][SYO] Rear Admiral Sirvk (in Q3 if permitted)
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
- Location
- USA
Yeah...this is why I don't like the uncertainty around Chen's bonus. Heck, I really dislike how it's even a major factor at all with the timing of the sideways promotion.
I'd be happier if the the parallel build speed bonus just stopped when Chen transfers. Despite the huge logical contortions I've seen, it makes far more in-character sense for build speed to resume at the normal rate. It's just ridiculous.
AKuz
Been Better
- Location
- A Rising Tide of Horrors
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I am 110% down to use the original Probert design. It looks so much nicer, and really looks like an intermediary between the Excelsior and Galaxy.
- Location
- Infraspace
Yeah, just about every Ambassador design I've seen has phaser arrays, etc. I've found some orthographic views of Tobias Richter's mesh, so hopefully I can do something basic with those.
(Advantage of working in schools: long summer holidays!)
- Location
- Australia
Yes Chen's bonuses will stick on projects she has started, largely to save me from maths.