Looks like a design that'll make the Pacifists pretty happy. Which I suppose they haven't had much reason to be happy lately.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Looks like a design that'll make the Pacifists pretty happy. Which I suppose they haven't had much reason to be happy lately.
How far did we disseminate the Biophage research? Because unless we are incredibly lucky, we won't get rid of it till every possible host is inoculated. Is everyone even keeping with the innoculations? It has been a few years.
And with how much life there is in the star trek verse, and with it having access to cloaking warships, I wouldn't be surprised if it has more than a few planets in our area. It will not get technology from low tech planets, but in game the Beast can research and innovate, and it can always reverse-engineer captured ships.
This is of course, only locally. Beyond our sector who knows how far it has spread. I don't even want to think of it meeting the Borg, whoever wins that conflict will be bad news for everyone.
And with how much life there is in the star trek verse, and with it having access to cloaking warships, I wouldn't be surprised if it has more than a few planets in our area. It will not get technology from low tech planets, but in game the Beast can research and innovate, and it can always reverse-engineer captured ships.
This is of course, only locally. Beyond our sector who knows how far it has spread. I don't even want to think of it meeting the Borg, whoever wins that conflict will be bad news for everyone.
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plus on officer for a -3Q build? that sounds mild
then again building one of these is a project of its own right
then again building one of these is a project of its own right
Anyone else becoming convinced that procedural generation has boned us, and the Cardassians are popping duranium champagne and serving exotic crystal caviar over on their side of the Gabriel Expanse, wondering why they would ever bother fighting the Federation for the scraps nature left on our side?
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Nah, I suspect all the resources to be in the unexplored Sydraxian corner, which will cause them alot of salt once it's found out after they've definitely given up on expanding into Gabriel.
We really need to push hard for more resources. Urgh seeing this, makes me want destroy all Cardassians mining bases.
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*Stesk frown*
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In my defense, I posted the longer build time design back when the short build time design had crewing costs of 8/8/6 instead of 7/7/6.
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I actually have a dirty suspicion the Ambassador will have a refit fairly early on to install phaser arrays instead of banks once that tech is unlocked, which should add some combat oomph.
Has anyone considered yet that the "infected" bird of prey was actually a fake? Both other powers would prefer for the federation to be distracted and were surprised we finished the licori stuff so quickly and anyone with common sense would shoot the ship first and only scan stuff later, thus making it easier to create a fake. Not that this would change our reaction, but it is at least a reason to lessen the panic in this thread a bit.
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@OneirosTheWriter @lbmaian looking at last years Ex Astris results and the Snakepit the Cronulla VI research colony should have been 1pp cheaper due to Message Networking.
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I would imagine that between burst torpedoes and phase arrays we will be able to add +1-2C to almost everything if we wanted to. Assuming the sheet is correct...
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@OneirosTheWriter, some corrections:
29*8 + 4*10 = 272rp used
36 left over (although we've since gained 25rp in Q3 Captain's Logs and looks like another 5rp from GBZ)
2315.Q3 - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 9 Miranda-A (18) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha] = 69 C.
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Thanks this is helpful info.
So we got an additional 5rp, while Apiata has gained some more substantial BR.
Apiata may want to consider some newer ship designs that take advantage of their new BR income (br/yr: Sguirri XI +50, Dorsata V +20) over their lower new SR income (sr/yr: Dorsata II +10).
Also good to know. We're building ourselves quite theinvasion prospecting fleet 
Question: Are those "two Amarkian Hebrinda-A cruisers" replacements or reinforcements?
We should've activated all our 29 tech teams.
29*8 + 4*10 = 272rp used
36 left over (although we've since gained 25rp in Q3 Captain's Logs and looks like another 5rp from GBZ)
As others have said, we voted for the Yrillians, and the Ashidi was supposed to be strike-throughed, but I believe you gave us the Ashidi diplo push as well because you were in a "good mood". Yrillians diplo push should still result in quarterly rolls.
Should be:
2315.Q3 - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 9 Miranda-A (18) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha] = 69 C.
- Current (before 2315.Q3) - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 7 Constitution-B (35) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic, Valiant, Huascar], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 7 Miranda-A (14) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield] = 73C.
- 2315.Q3 - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 9 Miranda-A (18) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha] = 69 C.
- 2316.Q1 - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, SF Berth 1, SF Berth 2] = 75 C.
- 2316.Q3 - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Sojourner], 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 4 Renaissance (20) [Renaissance, UP Berth 1, UP Berth 2, UP Berth 3], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, SF Berth 1, SF Berth 2] = 95 C.
- Notes: Valiant and Huascar used for garrison duty in 2315.Q3. Renaissance and 3 new Renaissance builds added in 2316.Q3, Winterwind and Sojourner come in, Avandar goes to Ferasa, and Challorn sent to refit.
Challorn should have the "(Blooded)" suffix like Kumari has.
This section is obsolete now: Endurance is no longer assigned to GBZ, while Shield and Republic are already repaired.
This section is still missing an 2 extra cargo ships that we voted for back in mid 2313. It does list the 2 extra freighters that we voted for (to total of 4 freighters), but not the 2 extra cargo ships (to total of 6 cargo ships):
Also unclaimed: 31 Miele - research site interest as noted in 2314.Q2.M3:
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Also wrong date here.
Other comments:
Thanks this is helpful info.
So we got an additional 5rp, while Apiata has gained some more substantial BR.
Apiata may want to consider some newer ship designs that take advantage of their new BR income (br/yr: Sguirri XI +50, Dorsata V +20) over their lower new SR income (sr/yr: Dorsata II +10).
Also good to know. We're building ourselves quite the
Question: Are those "two Amarkian Hebrinda-A cruisers" replacements or reinforcements?
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Those are replacements for the damaged cruisers
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lbmaian
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Huh, yeah that should be the case.
On the other hand, we did sneak in a 1pp saving in 2314 because the Betazed Starbase was erroneously discounted by 25% instead of the correct 20%. So this balances that out.
We should just ensure that the 1pp research colony discount applies in all the following snakepits.
The context was that specific omake I quoted. You need warp capable vessels if you want to build up any sort of force in years rather than decades.
I'm aware of the replacements; just wondering if these were additional reinforcements on top of Hebrinda and Hilindia.
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Based on their doctrine just replacements they need the two going through repair and refit to support their two Riala back home.
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Thanks for the fixes. I was trying to put the key information in a more easily accessible area.@OneirosTheWriter, some corrections:
We should've activated all our 29 tech teams.
29*8 + 4*10 = 272rp used
36 left over (although we've since gained 25rp in Q3 Captain's Logs and looks like another 5rp from GBZ)
As others have said, we voted for the Yrillians, and the Ashidi was supposed to be strike-throughed, but I believe you gave us the Ashidi diplo push as well because you were in a "good mood". Yrillians diplo push should still result in quarterly rolls.
Should be:
2315.Q3 - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 9 Miranda-A (18) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha] = 69 C.
- Current (before 2315.Q3) - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 7 Constitution-B (35) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic, Valiant, Huascar], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 7 Miranda-A (14) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield] = 73C.
- 2315.Q3 - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 9 Miranda-A (18) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha] = 69 C.
- 2316.Q1 - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Avandar, Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, SF Berth 1, SF Berth 2] = 75 C.
- 2316.Q3 - 1 Excelsior-A (6) [Sojourner], 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari], 5 Constitution-B (25) [Korolev, Defiant, Exeter, Saratoga, Republic], 4 Renaissance (20) [Renaissance, UP Berth 1, UP Berth 2, UP Berth 3], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], 11 Miranda-A (22) [T'Kumbra, Agile, Bantam, Clarion, Fidelity, Bon Vivant, Shield, Intrepid, Eketha, SF Berth 1, SF Berth 2] = 95 C.
- Notes: Valiant and Huascar used for garrison duty in 2315.Q3. Renaissance and 3 new Renaissance builds added in 2316.Q3, Winterwind and Sojourner come in, Avandar goes to Ferasa, and Challorn sent to refit.
Challorn should have the "(Blooded)" suffix like Kumari has.
This section is obsolete now: Endurance is no longer assigned to GBZ, while Shield and Republic are already repaired.
This section is still missing an 2 extra cargo ships that we voted for back in mid 2313. It does list the 2 extra freighters that we voted for (to total of 4 freighters), but not the 2 extra cargo ships (to total of 6 cargo ships):
Also unclaimed: 31 Miele - research site interest as noted in 2314.Q2.M3:
edit:
Also wrong date here.
Other comments:
Thanks this is helpful info.
So we got an additional 5rp, while Apiata has gained some more substantial BR.
Apiata may want to consider some newer ship designs that take advantage of their new BR income (br/yr: Sguirri XI +50, Dorsata V +20) over their lower new SR income (sr/yr: Dorsata II +10).
Also good to know. We're building ourselves quite theinvasionprospecting fleet
Question: Are those "two Amarkian Hebrinda-A cruisers" replacements or reinforcements?
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Wasn't the Excelsior also refitted rather early in her career?
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I think that was just to take out the defective transwarp drive though?
I just nominated a different one! Give it a little time... it's been less than three hours and a lot of people don't even check the SDB thread regularly. I'm afraid your post there asking for nominations wasn't long enough to trigger a thread alert.
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It struck me earlier that part of why the Defiant class is so crazy, is that it participates in the initial phases of battle, and absolutely mauls opposing escorts even before it joins the heavy metal for later phases.
@OneirosTheWriter , I understand if upgrading the phasers requires refits in all our ships, but is the same true of the sickbays? I mean, I'd expect more powerful phasers to have bigger components, power draws or both, but a sick bay? Most of that stuff I'd expect to be possible to carry in by hand, maybe with 2 people for the beds because they're unwieldy due to their size more than anything, while power draws and the like remain similar or the same.
But even if it does require a major refit, is Starfleet Auxiliary going to integrate these sickbays into the new hospital ship class while there's still ships under construction?
But even if it does require a major refit, is Starfleet Auxiliary going to integrate these sickbays into the new hospital ship class while there's still ships under construction?