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And then they used that with a Bird of Prey, which hadn't Scotty's decade-long warp core adaptations?
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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aeqnai
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Yes but I was talking about the original discovery being a fluke. Once you know something is possible and have done it on purpose a time or two you're able to expand your capability with it, in general. Though I'll note that they kept to the same temporal interval in each instance, so they may not have known what would happen if they tried more or less than 300ish years at a time.
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He has to recreate something he already knows, and not even physically, just in terms of warp core output.
Actually, the person on whom all the stress would be put is Spock working out the math.
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I had the idea once that it works by fiat of some higher being, perhaps a Q. If they decide your mission is important then it happens, otherwise it doesn't. Or maybe they just find it funny to make a civilisation think they've found a really easy method of time travel, only to take it away at a later date.
That's an interesting point about the interval. If they're just re-creating something discovered by accident they might be stuck with exactly 300 year intervals for their jump. Which makes it... well, not less exploitable if you really tried, but at least less tempting to use to immediately correct some mistake.
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From the time-frames involved - is the current "10 million years in the past" prior or past the slingshot manoeuver?
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That explains why they went back to the 20th century, rather than ancient times when whales were more abundant and humans more scarce.
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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Chekov is here, in the navigator's seat. He got that promotion after the first slingshot incident.
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So, if the 300 years period is not hardwired into the method, that might be a means to go back.
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On a totally unrelated note...
The way things are looking, it seems like the Cardassian DMZ from TNG and Deep Space 9 is almost certainly somewhere in the Gabriel Expanse. Does this mean we'll find the Briar Patch soon?
EDIT: I meant the Badlands.
The way things are looking, it seems like the Cardassian DMZ from TNG and Deep Space 9 is almost certainly somewhere in the Gabriel Expanse. Does this mean we'll find the Briar Patch soon?
EDIT: I meant the Badlands.
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Is very good, though I don't feel like going back and retconning the scenes aboard Liberty from The Worlds Wonder to match it. Probably not, anyway. Maybe I will some day.
Leslie: "...Gods of space help us, it's all true."
I close my eyes. I open them again. I see them all wearing Chris Pike's turtlenecks.
Problem solved!
Simple. Combine a strong version of Niven's
Most temporal incursions result in a self-consistent timeline precisely because it is logically necessary that they do so. This immediately neutralizes the "it's so easy to break history" issue. most people who try will simply fail. Exceptions to the rule tend to fall afoul of acausal or exotic forces that stand partially or entirely outside the timestream (e.g. the Guardian of Forever or the Q Continuum), because such entities take a dim view of anyone doing anything that could somehow create a temporal powerbase that challenges their own existence and preeminence.
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*[Larry Niven posited something identical to Novikov's self-consistency principle in a discussion of time travel in SF, some years prior to Novikov himself]
Our best current estimate of the Constitutions' stock statline (in TBG terms, anyway), courtesy of @Ato, is...
C3 S3 H3 L2 P4 D4
...With the refit providing +1 combat, shields, and defense. Kirk's Enterprise in her prime would presumably have hit
C6 S6 H6 L5 P7 D4
...Before counting any special bonuses.
That said, if I were modeling the effects of fifty years' technological change, I'd be tempted to do things like grant high shield burnthrough probability and so on. Also, Kirk's Enterprise gets a very large 'unfair' advantage from the way crew veterancy works on ships with low stats under the TBG rules.
I'm not QUITE sure all their cruisers were accounted for, though I know we nailed the cruiser flagships of each of the four main houses.
And they might have had one under construction or something.
Dunno. Assuming the Excelsiors took about the same length of time to develop as the Ambassador is slated to, work on the project probably began in the mid-2270s. Maybe as early as 2270 proper if the project got tangled up with stuff like transwarp drive prototyping and things that imposed extra delays. I really doubt any actual design work had been done beyond concept sketches for a "hella big explorer" in the late '60s (Kirk's definitive five year mission).
Distinctly possible. Eminently logical.
One of the reasons I so liked the "2235 game" idea that I keep tinkering with is because you don't need explanations like that.
Also, Chekov is on the ship- he left between the 'TOS' and 'TAS' parts of 2266-70 five year mission. For that matter, Leslie is present... but Eddie Paskey left the show early in the third season. So this is pretty tightly restricted to roughly the first half of Kirk's mission.
Leslie:
"I spent a lot of time thinking about this back in the '80s, in between bouts of thanking my lucky stars Jim Kirk didn't try and buttonhole me to help him with his shipjacking. Way I figure it, if you're headed into the past, YOU may think your time travel stunts haven't happened yet, but the rest of the universe doesn't have to agree with you. Of course the universe knows what's going to happen before you do it, that's the point of trying to visit the past!"
Leslie:
"Think about it. Imagine if, purely hypothetically, there were an easy time travel trick that kills anyone who'd have accidentally broken the self-consistency of the universe with it. What are the odds that anyone reckless enough to try it could try it without breaking causality? Wanna bet you could send a shipful of Gaeni back into their own past without one of them doing something stupid and causing her own grandpa to wind up with a grandson instead of a granddaughter? Could you slingshot a Licori mentat around into three hundred years ago without them going 'hell, you only live 0.1 times' and blowing something up? I don't think so. It's not that they don't try, it's that anyone stupid enough to try is exactly the kind of person who gets blown the hell up trying it."
Leslie, rising to his feet slowly:
"Naturally, the one crew Explorer Corps command could tell to go back in time to test a time travel method for calibration was the one that already did it. That way they didn't have to tell anyone else about the trick."
[Chuckles, but the smile doesn't reach his eyes. In fact, his eyes narrow. Leslie reaches into desk drawer]
"...And we keep pretty damn mum about it, and I don't remember seeing you aboard back in '67. Who do you work for, and when are you from?"
"From a bad plotline."
NEXT TIME ON TBG: LESLIE WRESTLES A NA'KUHL, BRAGA BRIEFLY SEEN CRYING IN CORNER
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There's a reason he reached into his desk drawer to retrieve a Type 1 phaser.
Leslie:
"Sonny, I was there the time those aliens stole Spock's brain. I know a bad plot when I see one, and the one thing I learned is to shoot first."
Leslie:
"Sonny, I was there the time those aliens stole Spock's brain. I know a bad plot when I see one, and the one thing I learned is to shoot first."
Leslie is sought out by three groups looking to suggest improvements to the Renaissance. The Gaeni team don't have blueprints, instead they've heavily scanned the ship every time they've seen it and tried to reverse engineer the design from scratch, but even ignoring all the issues with that process they've suggested so many questionable "improvements" that the ship is unrecognizable. The Caledonians have the licensed blueprints but also a list of changes which have passed their review board. Leslie recognises that each change came under consideration from the original Federation design team but the team had reasons for every choice they made. The Indorians don't make any suggestions but ask a mountain of questions: why this part, why this method, why did they avoid this formulation, etc. Once they're done, Leslie realizes that they've actually come up with some genuine improvements that the others did not.
"Commodore Leslie! It's a surprise to see you in the GBZ. Why are you out here?"
"When you've seen the things I've seen, you learn to trust your instincts. And they told me there was something out here you'd need my help with."
"Admiral Ainsworth, ma'am! Reports are back from the Korolev -- we've discovered a bunch of new species in an area we're calling 'the Briar Patch'! They call themselves the Pakleds, the Son'a, and the Nak'hul, and there's a group called the Talaxians who claim they were--"
"Admiral, my instincts are telling me --
"--also something about a thing called Allamaraine?"
"--quarantine that entire area and never return."
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Leslie:
"Reminds me of the time me, an Indorian, a Caledonian, and a Gaeni walked into a bar."
[beat]
"So the other two guys held the Gaeni's arms while I frisked him for antimatter, what do you think we did?"
Shard
One and Many
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I like this idea very much. More than I should..
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If ever there was a reason to sympathize with an antagonist, wanting to save a life has got to qualify.
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Maybe if her method of life-saving was something other than killing three planets.
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She was his chief advisor. Remember how the Arcadians wouldn't agree to restrict their mentats, even when it was obvious it would force them into a war they couldn't win? Yeah....
Sorry lady his death and that of everyone else is on you and your hubris.
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Eve had it coming!
#shitadamwouldsay