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While we're on the past with Kirk, I feel I should bring up this articleI recently read about the misinterpretation of Kirk's character in popular culture.

What it boils down to is that the image of the brash, promiscuous Kirk seems to be a bastardization of the character based on the events that occurred in a few extreme circumstances. In reality Kirk was a thoughtful and analytical man who cared deeply about his ship and his crew, who was known for his excellent decision making and knowledge born from diligent study. He did not flaunt his orders any more than the average captain, and whose many violations of the Prime Directive likely boil down to the fact that the Prime Directive as we know it was only just beginning to take shape.
And whose romantic exploits seem to boil down to a handful of serious relationship with rather intelligent women whom he parted amicably with, and a few misinterpreted actions carried out under extenuating circumstances.

It would be hilariously meta if this sort of memetic mutation took place in-universe as well, and upon meeting the actual Kirk, Nash realized all the Kirk comparisons she got were based on a lie.

PS. Holy shit, we have multiple Indexes. I REPEAT: WE HAVE MULTIPLE INDEXES! THIS IS GAME CHANGING PEOPLE!
 
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Going back over the Ship Yard numbers from a few days ago, I decided not to worry too much about the Cardassian's doubling their number of berths. They need to just to stay in shouting distance of us.

Between Star Fleet, Federation members and Affiliates there are over 120 berths (and that list was not complete, because Orion's weren't on it, and I'm not sure if there were more missing). Roughly 1/3 are too small for our own designs outside of the Oberth, but that still leaves over 80 berths that can build at least Miranda-As, most of which are large of enough to produce Rennies instead. 20+ can handle an Excelsior build.

I do still want to know how the Cardassians got enough income to believe that they can populate those berths - sure they got some rich affiliates in the last couple of years, but that generally doesn't fund several cruisers on repeat build for every affiliate.
 
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I do still want to know how the Cardassians got enough income to believe that they can populate those berths - sure they got some rich affiliates in the last couple of years, but that generally doesn't fund several cruisers on repeat build for every affili
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I assume they're banking on Gabriel to provide a large influx of materials they can use. Plus Bajor is incredibly resource rich as well.
 
Crazy Tom said:
While we're on the past with Kirk, I feel I should bring up this articleI recently read about the misinterpretation of Kirk's character in popular culture.

What it boils down to is that the image of the brash, promiscuous Kirk seems to be a bastardization of the character based on the events that occurred in a few extreme circumstances. In reality Kirk was a thoughtful and analytical man who cared deeply about his ship and his crew, who was known for his excellent decision making and knowledge born from diligent study. He did not flaunt his orders any more than the average captain, and whose many violations of the Prime Directive likely boil down to the fact that the Prime Directive as we know it was only just beginning to take shape.
And whose romantic exploits seem to boil down to a handful of serious relationship with rather intelligent women whom he parted amicably with, and a few misinterpreted actions carried out under extenuating circumstances.

It would be hilariously meta if this sort of memetic mutation took place in-universe as well, and upon meeting the actual Kirk, Nash realized all the Kirk comparisons she got were based on a lie.

PS. Holy shit, we have multiple Indexes. I REPEAT: WE HAVE MULTIPLE INDEXES! THIS IS GAME CHANGING PEOPLE!
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That article was linked here before.

As before, I don't really agree with the author's analysis, and feel that she's missing the forest for the trees. In almost every episode of TOS, events conspire to make Kirk the object of some conveniently hot alien babe's attentions, either because he wants to or because she wants to or because he has to for some ulterior reason. You can justify away each and every single instance if you want, but you can't justify away the pattern.

I will admit, though, that since so many of those incidents were outside of Kirk's control, they don't reflect on his character so much as the nature of the surrounding narrative. IE, the sexism wasn't part of Kirk's character specifically, it was part of how the entire show was written, so treating it as an in-universe trait of Kirk's is indeed misguided.
 
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That article was linked here before.

As before, I don't really agree with the author's analysis, and feel that she's missing the forest for the trees. In almost every episode of TOS, events conspire to make Kirk the object of some conveniently hot alien babe's attentions, either because he wants to or because she wants to or because he has to for some ulterior reason. You can justify away each and every single instance if you want, but you can't justify away the pattern.

I will admit, though, that since so many of those incidents were outside of Kirk's control, they don't reflect on his character so much as the nature of the surrounding narrative. IE, the sexism wasn't part of Kirk's character specifically, it was part of how the entire show was written.
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Theory: Kirk is a Q romance novel protagonist. Also, Q.
 
Leila Hann said:
That article was linked here before.

As before, I don't really agree with the author's analysis, and feel that she's missing the forest for the trees. In almost every episode of TOS, events conspire to make Kirk the object of some conveniently hot alien babe's attentions, either because he wants to or because she wants to or because he has to for some ulterior reason. You can justify away each and every single instance if you want, but you can't justify away the pattern.

I will admit, though, that since so many of those incidents were outside of Kirk's control, they don't reflect on his character so much as the nature of the surrounding narrative. IE, the sexism wasn't part of Kirk's character specifically, it was part of how the entire show was written, so treating it as an in-universe trait of Kirk's is indeed misguided.
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Yeah. The topic of specific discussion isn't the show's sexism or lack thereof. It's Kirk's personality. Kirk personally showed fairly minimal sexism, certainly by the standards of the 1960s. In some ways by modern standards- there are a fair number of teenage boys out there who could do a hell of a lot worse than to listen to the advice he gives in Charlie X.

[CLARIFYING EDIT: This is not to say that the show did not have problems with sexism and with throwing random alien babes at Kirk as a way of ratcheting up the drama. What I'm getting at is that Kirk handled this situation about as well as he could be expected, and a hell of a lot better than Kirk parodies like Zapp Brannigan would have]

Crazy Tom said:
While we're on the past with Kirk, I feel I should bring up this articleI recently read about the misinterpretation of Kirk's character in popular culture.

What it boils down to is that the image of the brash, promiscuous Kirk seems to be a bastardization of the character based on the events that occurred in a few extreme circumstances. In reality Kirk was a thoughtful and analytical man who cared deeply about his ship and his crew, who was known for his excellent decision making and knowledge born from diligent study. He did not flaunt his orders any more than the average captain, and whose many violations of the Prime Directive likely boil down to the fact that the Prime Directive as we know it was only just beginning to take shape.
And whose romantic exploits seem to boil down to a handful of serious relationship with rather intelligent women whom he parted amicably with, and a few misinterpreted actions carried out under extenuating circumstances.

It would be hilariously meta if this sort of memetic mutation took place in-universe as well, and upon meeting the actual Kirk, Nash realized all the Kirk comparisons she got were based on a lie.
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Leslie:

"Put it this way. The captain had a way with women. The captain also had a sense of duty you could bend steel bars around. If he'd been going out of his way to keep his bed warm, he wouldn't have had any problems along those lines. As a rule, he wasn't trying very hard. But the ship came first, and if he had to turn on the charm to accomplish the mission or get us out of a jam, he'd do it. I'd probably be a hunk of rock salt a quarter of the way to the Great Nebula in Andromeda right now if he hadn't- and that'd be if we'd all lived that long. We wound up in a lot of situations where Jim Kirk's good looks did about as much to bail us out as the phaser banks. Add it all up, and he wound up turning on the charm more times than I can count. Pile on top of that more than a few alien princess types- and a couple of less than professional Starfleet officers- who pretty well threw themselves at him. Some guys..."

[shakes his head]

"Anyway, all that? That's how he got the kind of reputation people made limericks about."

"Commodore ka'Sharren, now... From what I've heard, she does put a bit of effort into keeping her bed warm, now and then. As a senior member of the Redshirt Preservation Society who remembers the analyses we ran back in the '70s, I can't disapprove of that. And if you can name a single time ka'Sharren let it get in the way of the mission, I'll be surprised. So yeah, she's a good deal like Jim Kirk where it counts. Just not where it doesn't- probably just as well."

[grins]
 
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Goat said:
Going back over the Ship Yard numbers from a few days ago, I decided not to worry too much about the Cardassian's doubling their number of berths. They need to just to stay in shouting distance of us.

Between Star Fleet, Federation members and Affiliates there are over 120 berths (and that list was not complete, because Orion's weren't on it, and I'm not sure if there were more missing). Roughly 1/3 are too small for our own designs outside of the Oberth, but that still leaves over 80 berths that can build at least Miranda-As, most of which are large of enough to produce Rennies instead. 20+ can handle an Excelsior build.

I do still want to know how the Cardassians got enough income to believe that they can populate those berths - sure they got some rich affiliates in the last couple of years, but that generally doesn't fund several cruisers on repeat build for every affiliate.
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They probably don't have the resources to do repeat builds. If I had to guess they are looking at what happened to us and the Sydraxians in the Gabriel Expanse and deciding they need to expand their repair capacity for large scale combat. Remember that unlike us they don't have member world shipyards to fall back on. They just have the state shipyards and their affiliates.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
I've started cutting the codeine component of my post-extraction pain killing regime out after a week of use so hopefully no side-effects from that. Hopefully updating as per normal soon.
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That sounds about right, I had a week and an extra day's worth of painkillers while they diagnosed my dry socket and then stuffed it with little medicated cotton bits. They sell the stuff at the pharmacy, but I do not recall the name at the moment.
 
This is so bizarre, all I got was over-the-counter acetaminophen and ibuprofen lol. Mine weren't surgically removed tho, just tugged out of my skull like god intended, so maybe that's the difference.
 
From what I know of wisdom teeth the amount of pain and recovery time required varies wildly from person to person, so personal accounts aren't necessarily indicative.
 
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