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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Wootius said:
Time for a heroic roundabout nicknamed Toffee.
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I can arrange for that to happen.

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Toffee-class Runabout: Named after the Toffee river on Alpha Centauri, which was named after the bunny that served as the exploration ship's unofficial mascot, and the toffee-colored cliffs that the river dramatically flows over.
Mr Tebbs said:
I like the Merchant Marine School coupled with the academy thing idea that was forwarded a few (hundred) pages back. There were three points to it, and some seemed to like it
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I'm debating on adding the Member World exploration to the Capstone Omnibus.

Basically, the MWCO is responsible for them, and they report to the EC mission control.

They are responsible for second line exploration, within or just outside federation space.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
At least with this proposal we can see the potential issue it solves. The Merchant Marine doesn't have a reason to it at all.
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Ehhh.

Got any better ideas for encouraging auxiliary construction while aiding our crew problem?
 
MS-21H 'Hawke' said:
"Now that's no fair, the last time you were even vaguely unattractive was the 2260s...and that was due more to the early Star Trek prop limitations...."
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Enterprise:

"You obviously have a lot less respect for dweebs than I do, but I should have made allowances."

[Turns to tech-cruiser]

"Sorry."

[Tech-cruiser, who hasn't really paid any attention to any of this, mumbles 'ooooh, science!' and wanders off to play with antimatter matches]
 
Say can you guys create omakes base on how other lesser powers reacts to the Federation like for example Apiata omake of a reaction to Federation and there's some hints to how much it relieved in contrast to the Cardassians hostility litter throughout those omakes.

I'm quite interesting in other race's first reaction in meeting Federation explorers to them getting the big picture of what the Federation is on the other side of those captain logs and FDS and perhaps reaction to what the Feds doing with their actions.

Apiata omake are more flesh out like their react to the full detail of the Federation but its missing the first contact story
Hoping to get affiliates reaction like the Seyek, Qloathi, Honiani to independents like Ittick-ka and Konen.
Also Sotaw's reaction to being struck between to big powers Federation and Romulans amidst the Biophage Crisis.
Sorry if this asking for more work but I'm quite curious.
 
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By comparison, here is the 2311 Intelligence report on Romulan shipyards (they likely have built more since).

Romulus Fleet Yards (2x3000kt, 1x1000kt, 2x500kt)
Remus Fleet Yards (2x3000kt, 1x1000kt, 2x500kt)
Iberius Flet Yards (1x3000kt, 1x1000kt, 3x500kt)
Rator Shipyards (2x1000kt)
Terix Shipyards (2x500kt)
5 Colonial Shipyards, ea 1x500kt
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Here is last year's shipbuilding report:
5 Heavy Warbirds - Would require 1 more 3mt berth than listed above
6 Deljerra - Would require 1 more 1mt berth than listed above
5 Bird of Prey
8~10 Cargo Ships
1 Engineering Ship - 16 small ships; would require 7 more than the 9 600 kt berths listed above
 
Briefvoice said:
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1) Yup...we have a lot of shipyards

2) What's the "-2" 600kt in-progress? And we have nine 1mt berths in-progress??

By comparison, here is the 2311 Intelligence report on Romulan shipyards (they likely have built more since).
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More immediately relevant to us would be a comparison with Ashalla Pact shipyards.

According to last year's intel report, Cardassians had 18 berths and are building 12-15 more (some already built by now). Sydraxians have 8 berths, with probably around 2 more on the way. It would be safe to approximate that the Dylaarians, Goshawnar, and Konnen have comparable shipbuilding, while Dawiar and Lecarre have half that.

So I'd estimate that the Ashalla Pact will have around 80 berths soonish. Compared to our 100+ berths in the same time frame (edit: and proportionally much more 2.5+ mt berths). Unsurprisingly, this is roughly proportional to the ratio of their projected military strength to Federation strength (according to the Celos Precipice intel report).
 
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So what would it look like if we oriented a ship like a skyscraper, and made it in such a way that rotating around the center point by mass in the ship wouldn't NEED so much structural integrity fields due to things like torque and different amounts of acceleration? IE, make it a bit more compact in layout, centralize the mass so that you don't have to go crazy when using thrusters, and the center of mass is actually within the ship? And did things like putting the bridge in the center of the thing, and make the shuttle airlocks have physical barriers rather than just field barriers? And made however many nacelles were needed, be radially symmetrical? And make shuttles and runabouts and such actually be lifting bodies suitable for gliding? And separate computer networks in a ship so it isn't one computer, but a network of computers, some of which aren't actually part of the network and are local? And seat belts and circuit breakers and fire extinguishers and separation of areas of the ship by bulkheads? IE, do all of that stuff that sometimes people say Star Trek ships should actually do but don't seem to in the shows?
 
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Gavinfoxx said:
So what would it look like if we oriented a ship like a skyscraper, and made it in such a way that rotating around the center point by mass in the ship wouldn't NEED so much structural integrity fields due to things like torque and different amounts of acceleration? IE, make it a bit more compact in layout, centralize the mass so that you don't have to go crazy when using thrusters, and the center of mass is actually within the ship? And did things like putting the bridge in the center of the thing, and make the shuttle airlocks have physical barriers rather than just field barriers? And made however many nacelles were needed, be radially symmetrical? And make shuttles and runabouts and such actually be lifting bodies suitable for gliding? And separate computer networks in a ship so it isn't one computer, but a network of computers, some of which aren't actually part of the network and are local? IE, do all of that stuff that sometimes people say Star Trek ships should actually do but don't seem to in the shows?
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Gene Roddenberry cries.
 
Gavinfoxx said:
So what would it look like if we oriented a ship like a skyscraper, and made it in such a way that rotating around the center point by mass in the ship wouldn't NEED so much structural integrity fields due to things like torque and different amounts of acceleration? IE, make it a bit more compact in layout, centralize the mass so that you don't have to go crazy when using thrusters, and the center of mass is actually within the ship? And did things like putting the bridge in the center of the thing, and make the shuttle airlocks have physical barriers rather than just field barriers? And made however many nacelles were needed, be radially symmetrical? And make shuttles and runabouts and such actually be lifting bodies suitable for gliding? And separate computer networks in a ship so it isn't one computer, but a network of computers, some of which aren't actually part of the network and are local? And seat belts? IE, do all of that stuff that sometimes people say Star Trek ships should actually do but don't seem to in the shows?
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Borg cube?
 
Briefvoice said:
Submitted for your consideration:



By comparison, here is the 2311 Intelligence report on Romulan shipyards (they likely have built more since).



Here is last year's shipbuilding report:
5 Heavy Warbirds - Would require 1 more 3mt berth than listed above
6 Deljerra - Would require 1 more 1mt berth than listed above
5 Bird of Prey
8~10 Cargo Ships
1 Engineering Ship - 16 small ships; would require 7 more than the 9 600 kt berths listed above
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Sorry for making you chase through the under construction ones :X

Leila Hann said:
Or a completely badass race of lagomorphic humanoids called the Tofii.
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Less a badass people, and more big, happy, lazy lagomorphs, closer to Risans than Amarki :) love a good feed and a good head rub.
 
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Gavinfoxx said:
So what would it look like if we oriented a ship like a skyscraper, and made it in such a way that rotating around the center point by mass in the ship wouldn't NEED so much structural integrity fields due to things like torque and different amounts of acceleration? IE, make it a bit more compact in layout, centralize the mass so that you don't have to go crazy when using thrusters, and the center of mass is actually within the ship? And did things like putting the bridge in the center of the thing, and make the shuttle airlocks have physical barriers rather than just field barriers? And made however many nacelles were needed, be radially symmetrical? And make shuttles and runabouts and such actually be lifting bodies suitable for gliding? And separate computer networks in a ship so it isn't one computer, but a network of computers, some of which aren't actually part of the network and are local? And seat belts and circuit breakers and fire extinguishers and separation of areas of the ship by bulkheads? IE, do all of that stuff that sometimes people say Star Trek ships should actually do but don't seem to in the shows?
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Borg cube?
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I'm thinking more the Torchship Lewis and Clark, or the Titan AE. At least start like that. You can make symmetrical nacelles off the side if you need to do so for warp dynamics, or something. Would doing any of the minor 'common sense engineering' things actually be helpful at the point of game stats though? IE, you actually did lots of the things pointed out in essays like this one, or any of many other versions of basically the same thing you can find ranted about on the internet?
 
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Mr Tebbs said:
I don't suppose you have the current omnibus lying around? digging thru that much thread seems rather daunting
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I just bookmarked it :p
AlphaDelta said:
Mr Tebbs said:
Perhaps the creation of a voluntary Merchant Marine School where Star Fleet teaches all the hard learned lessons of how to handle emergencies, giving us a +1 to federation distress calls and + .2o and + .2e as a side effect of our subtle recruiting in the school
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Let's combine my previous proposals:

AlphaDelta said:
I think the lesson to take from this, is that we have to consider the impact on the member worlds more.

[][FACTION] Approach the Development and Expansionist parties. Proposal:
Every lost life is a tragedy, and a reminder to ask "What more could we have done?" The answer, is always not enough.

To that end, I would like to propose a series of initiatives to help reduce deaths in space from all causes - standardized safety standards, research into medical treatment and warp core stability, and deep-space coverage.

Desired mechanical effect: Reduced casualties and increased income from crew retention, research bonus for Medical/Personal Tech/Warp Core Safety-related nodes, and establishment of deep-space sensor nets and runabout patrol squadrons. The latter can be either member fleet or Starfleet squadrons, and can provide initial responder support for some of the more distant colonies and ships.
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AlphaDelta said:
We already have them; they're mostly abstracted.

Here's another idea: Training ships. Use older ships due to be scrapped, or heavily damaged ships that are too expensive to repair back up to full.

Somewhat related is the idea of creating a Starfleet Merchant Marine Academy for the Auxiliary corps, with minimal requirements post-graduation, like the US Merchant Marine Academy.
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AlphaDelta said:
Also, on the topic of Sousa deals, I proposed a general infrastructure buildup a while ago. Freighters, more auxiliaries, etc.

This is something we can do in two years, I guess.

It wouldn't be hard to tack on a Starfleet Academy Annex expansion, and the creation of cross-training programs.
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[][FACTION] Approach the Development and Expansion parties.

It's obvious that the Federation's rate of expansion is unsustainable, without making some changes. The 5 year hold was one way to do so, but not enough has been done. To that end, I would like to propose a series of measures to meet the needs of inevitable expansion.

A) Crew Safety Initiatives
Every lost life is a tragedy, and a reminder to ask "What more could we have done?" The answer, is always not enough.

To that end, I would like to propose a series of initiatives to help reduce deaths in space from all causes - standardized safety standards, research into medical treatment and warp core stability, and improved deep-space coverage.

(Desired mechanical effect: Reduced casualties and increased income from crew retention, research bonus for Medical/Personal Tech/Warp Core Safety-related nodes, and establishment of deep-space sensor nets and runabout patrol squadrons. The latter can be either member fleet or Starfleet squadrons, and can provide initial responder support for some of the more distant colonies and ships.)

B) Merchant Marine
In 20th century earth, an academy for training merchant officers was created. Unfortunately, there is no clear equivalent for interstellar ships. I would like to propose the creation of a Merchant Marine Academy to train future generations of merchant officers. Like its predecessor, the only requirement placed on graduates is that they commit to service in an approved related profession for a period of at least six years, which includes but is not limited to service aboard a ship, service with a member world fleet, or service in Starfleet.

To administer and coordinate the Federation Merchant Marine, a new Merchant Commission should be created, with authority to regulate interstellar commerce, including setting safety standards, maintaining a register of all interstellar merchant vessels, and approving merchant ship designs.

C) Training Ships
To assist with training, the MWCO will be given some ships deemed unsuitable or retired from active fleet service. These ships will be converted to training or simulator ships to assist in training spacers in damage control, engineering, and other skills. The MWCO will have responsibility for administering and maintaining this training fleet. Starfleet, the member fleets, Starfleet Academy, the member fleet service academies, and the Federation Merchant Marine Academy will have access to the training fleet, and responsibility for updating the MWCO and the Merchant Commission with ship layouts for the purposes of training.


Possible Concessions:
An additional one year hold on new members after the next batch affiliates join
Another auxiliary yard
Infrastructure Buildup
Deployment of runabout squadrons to all starbases and select outposts for the purposes of first-responder search and rescue.

@Simon_Jester @Briefvoice Thoughts? This is sort-of a capstone deal for Sousa - a final gift to Starfleet before she retires.
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