Centaur (refit) [315m 800k t]

Constitution Refit B [Cruiser] 2240-2300 (2306 Refit) [289m, 1m t]

Also, the Connies are over 500kt lighter than the Centaurs! That means we have more berths to build them in.
Uh, no they aren't. Constitutions are 200k heavier. Your post even states so.
 
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[ ]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit

While the Connie vs Centaur point is a good one, I like the balance of targeted species, and the border zone vs promotion, over the other.

Also...

@OneirosTheWriter shouldn't we have 140 to spend?

80 EOY +10 Tellarites reaction to Miracht +50 finish science early = 140

@OneirosTheWriter, any word? It's likely a bit late for the plans to change, but having the points available might cause some reconsideration.

Edit: changed my vote in later post
 
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[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit

While the Connie vs Centaur point is a good one, I like the balance of targeted species, and the border zone vs promotion, over the other.

Also...



@OneirosTheWriter, any word? It's likely a bit late for the plans to change, but having the points available might cause some reconsideration.
The post has been updated with 140pp.
 
[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit

We are running very tight on techs, and I don't see signs of that stopping, so picking the more crew efficient option.

For symbolic reasons, systems should be building their defense forces in local yards if possible, so 'attention native defense forces, due to the complexity of scheduling capital ships, please request shipyard access early'.
 
Eh, what the heck. Going with Connie on this 140 point plan.

[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy and Refit 140
Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 50pp
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Amarki
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Betazoid
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Caitians
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:RIgellians
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Caldonians
Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)
 
The post has been updated with 140pp.

Geh, that invalidates most of the vote plans. Well, invalidate is too strong of a word, but you know what I mean.

Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)

Does Kahurangi's 10% PP discount apply to this, or are outposts not considered "industrial items"?


[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy and Refit 140
 
Couple things

1. Does expanding the science academy for +1 to research mean +1 to research rolls?
2. Do Starbases grant defense?
 
What does that mean?
It means we get +1 Tech type crew units per year.


Why are people to acquire a new Cruiser design that will soon be obsolete and can't be refitted? The Constitution "Refit" doesn't improve existing ships, and it creates a new, soon to be obsolete class that doesn't include any of the incoming design techs. There was a bunch of discussion last night about how we should wait precisely three years to get all the LC T1 and T2 techs, then go for the Renaissance or a custom LC, and now people are voting to waste 50 pp on a new design that will be inferior to the Renaissance or the custom and will not be upgradable. Refit the Constellation, Miranda, or Centaur if you want better ships RIGHT NOW.
 
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Expansion
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constellation class [+1 C,S,D, for 20br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns 40pp (NB: new unit cost for Constellation will be 70/45)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Science Academy Expansion, 20pp (Gain +1 Techs throughput)
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Galus V, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 br / year)

If diplomatic pushes are going to be capped I don't want to go way over the cap this turn. It wouldn't make sense to be able to do it this turn, but never again. And while I would feel like that anyway I also strongly suspect that the QM will be much more likely to pick 4 pushes as a cap rather than 3 if we restrict ourselves to 4 this turn.
I prefer the Constellation because we wouldn't have the SR to build lots of the refit centaur, those are way too expensive, and we have 8 Constellations already that would benefit. Also the science upgrade would help a lot with the random missions our Constellations keep getting.

The Caitians will hopefully give us more officers, which our Explorer Corps is going to be short of relative to the other types.

Edit: The Species alignment makes it seem less likely that the Caitians give officers, so getting the science academy instead.
 
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[X][COUNCIL] Plan Expansion
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constellation class [+1 C,S,D, for 20br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns 40pp (NB: new unit cost for Constellation will be 70/45)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Expand Explorer Corps Recruitment drives to affiliates, 25pp (One affiliate starts generating 0.3 of Explorer Corps crew, arrangement depends on species) : Caitians
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)

If diplomatic pushes are going to be capped I don't want to go way over the cap this turn. It wouldn't make sense to be able to do it this turn, but never again. And while I would feel like that anyway I also strongly suspect that the QM will be much more likely to pick 4 pushes as a cap rather than 3 if we restrict ourselves to 4 this turn.
I prefer the Constellation because we wouldn't have the SR to build lots of the refit centaur, those are way too expensive, and we have 8 Constellations already that would benefit. Also the science upgrade would help a lot with the random missions our Constellations keep getting.
Unless one of those options has a discount, I think your plan costs just 1 pp too much. I get 141 and we only have 140.
 
Mining colony and Outposts should get a discount, if not I'd swap the outposts for another mining colony.
You changed the plan anyway so.... Assuming the Caitians give officers is a bit of a gamble though. Although I suppose the chance is 50-50, since they're obviously not going to send techs.
 
[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy and Refit 140
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 50pp
-[X] NEW Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldonians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)

Okay, I'm fine with these tweaks and will consolidate here.

[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy and Refit 140
 
Here have a tally!
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 185 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4
[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit
No. of Votes: 13
[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy and Refit 140
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 50pp
-[X] NEW Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldonians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)
No. of Votes: 6
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Gaeni
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Sydraxians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Kadeshi
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Plan Return of the Constitution
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 50pp
-[X] NEW Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)
No. of Votes: 0

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: COUNCIL
[x][COUNCIL] Plan Emphasize Growth MK II
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Gaeni
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Sydraxians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Kadeshi
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
No. of Votes: 7
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Expansion
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constellation class [+1 C,S,D, for 20br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns 40pp (NB: new unit cost for Constellation will be 70/45)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Expand Explorer Corps Recruitment drives to affiliates, 25pp (One affiliate starts generating 0.3 of Explorer Corps crew, arrangement depends on species) : Caitians
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
No. of Votes: 2
Total No. of Voters: 29

People who voted for my plan, do note I'm thinking of a 2.0 with the extra 10pp we have put to use with another diplo push-though I'm also thinking just banking that 10pp. Thoughts?
 
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