To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

[SuperSonicSound]

I think a centaur refit, outpost construction, cardassians border zone would be good that leaves 61 left, so either the academy expansion with 3 diplo pushes or maybe try for the budget increase. Or retire one of the old guard

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Diplomatic pushes will increase our academy intake. It's better to have six diplomatic pushes, rather than three + academy expansion tbh. Also I'm still disagreed on starting the refit right now.

 

[Void Stalker]

Diplomatic pushes will increase our academy intake. It's better to have six diplomatic pushes, rather than three + academy expansion tbh. Also I'm still disagreed on starting the refit right now.

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We need defense though to garrison new members as we add them and there is a two year lag on when we take the refit project and when we can start refitting our ships and building new ones to the refit spec. So really think we need to do that this turn. Also a new border zone will have defense requirements as well

 

[AlphaDelta]

I'm not very sure about the can of worms that is Orion. I would also like to begin the centaur refit.

 

[Briefvoice]

[X] Plan Return of the Constitution
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 50pp
-[X] NEW Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)

I don't care if no one else votes for this plan That Constitution class light cruiser is great, and I'd happily build ten over the next fifteen years. It's a perfect Renaissance stopgap.

@OneirosTheWriter I think you should seriously consider putting a hard cap on the number of times we can take the Diplomatic push action. Just as we only have so many berths to build ships, the Federation only has so many Diplomats and so much focus to put on potential members. At some point it should really be a matter of resources, not just political will. And besides, typically in a game if players are piling on the same action so many times, it's a sign something's gone wrong in the mechanics.

 

[Random Member]

Current Federation Affiliates:
Betazoids 389/500 - 1 = 388/500
Rigellians 223/500 + 16 = 239/500
Caitians 244/500 + 18 = 262/500
Amarki 451/500 + 22 = 473/500
Risa 187/500 + 26 = 213/500
Caldonians 190/500 + 13 = 203/500
Gaeni 171/500 + 21 = 192/500
Orions 161/500 + 13 = 174/500
Indorions 130/500 + 13 = 143/500

Currently Known Others Possible Members:
Yrillians 45/100
Dawiar 25/100
Kadeshi 35/100
Sotaw 35/100
Gretarians 25/100

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BTW, why aren't the Sydraxians on the list?

 

[Darkandus]

[x][COUNCIL] Plan Emphasize Growth MK II
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Gaeni
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Sydraxians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Kadeshi
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
122 PP

*Insert 'We are the Federation' speech here*

 

[lbmaian]

NEW Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)

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Will this border zone dynamically change as more western sectors get added? Or do we have to spend more PP in the future to redefine it?

Constitution Refit B [Cruiser] 2240-2300 (2306 Refit) [289m, 1m t]
C5 S3 H3 L4 P3 D5
Cost [100br, 80sr, 3 years], Crew [O-3, E-4, T-4]

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Brief analysis:

Compared to Constellation:
stats: +2C, +1S, +1H, +2L, +1P, +2D
costs: +30br, +40sr, +1O, +2T, +300k t

Compared to Constellation refit:
stats: +1C, +1H, +2L, +1P, +1D
costs: +30br, +35sr, +1O, +2T, +300k t

Compared to Renaissance:
stats: -1H, -1L, -1P
costs: -1E, +1T

edit: refit doesn't increase br cost!

 

[tryrar]

[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit
Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
Request Refit Program for Centaur class [+1 S,L,P,D for 15br, 15sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns 45pp (NB: new unit cost for the Centaur will be 80/70)
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Amarki
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Betazoid
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Caitians
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:RIgellians
Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
NEW Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)

 

[bryanfran36]

[x][COUNCIL] Plan Emphasize Growth MK II
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Gaeni
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Sydraxians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Kadeshi
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
122 PP

 

[tryrar]

Guys, we should do one of the refits. Plus blowing everything on massed diplomacy is ridiculous

 

[Artemis1992]

[x][COUNCIL] Plan Emphasize Growth MK II

 

[SuperSonicSound]

We need defense though to garrison new members as we add them and there is a two year lag on when we take the refit project and when we can start refitting our ships and building new ones to the refit spec. So really think we need to do that this turn. Also a new border zone will have defense requirements as well

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Keep in mind new members come with their own fleets which can and will be used for Garrison purposes as those fleets will likely be integrated with starfleet command. Also with that in mind we're very likely to hit the defence request just via integrating the Amarki fleet.

 

[fasquardon]

Diplomatic pushes will increase our academy intake. It's better to have six diplomatic pushes, rather than three + academy expansion tbh. Also I'm still disagreed on starting the refit right now.

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I'm open to paths that don't involve refitting any of our ships. However, I do think it is important to push defense up quickly. Defense doesn't just please the politicos, it also defends the Federation.

And the Cardassians seem to have capable ships.

Keep in mind new members come with their own fleets which can and will be used for Garrison purposes as those fleets will likely be integrated with starfleet command. Also with that in mind we're very likely to hit the defence request just via integrating the Amarki fleet.

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But the Amarki will be keeping their fleet. Just like the Vulcans have their own fleet and the Andorians have their own fleet (and probably the Humans and the Tellarites do too).

fasquardon

 

[Random Member]

Keep in mind new members come with their own fleets which can and will be used for Garrison purposes as those fleets will likely be integrated with starfleet command. Also with that in mind we're very likely to hit the defence request just via integrating the Amarki fleet.

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Or the Amarki fleet will become something like the equivalent of the Andorian Guard, whose ships also don't count for our defence requirement. I'm pretty sure the ship we loaned from them disappeared from our pool (read: rejoined the Guard) as soon as the crisis was over.

 

[Void Stalker]

[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit
NEW Request Mining Colony at Galus V, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 br / year)
NEW Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 20pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)

Request Refit Program for Centaur class [+1 S,L,P,D for 15br, 15sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns 45pp (NB: new unit cost for the Centaur will be 80/70)
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Amarki
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Betazoid
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Caitians
Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)

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I think we can hold off on the Explorer push until next year and instead do the outposts and either a 4th diplo push or the vice Admiral slot

 

[Random Member]

[X] Plan Return of the Constitution
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 50pp
-[X] NEW Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)

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I'm okay with this plan, but why the Orions and not the Caitians, who are closest to joining after the Amarki and Betazoids?

 

[tryrar]

I think we can hold off on the Explorer push until next year and instead do the outposts and either a 4th diplo push or the vice Admiral slot

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I can get with that. Changing!

Edit:And done!

 

[Void Stalker]

[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit

 

[Derek58]

[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit

This looks good. That refit will be especially useful now that we're establishing the CBZ.

 

[OneirosTheWriter]

Member worlds will maintain their own forces. (FYI, haven't mentioned this because it hasn't been relevant yet, but United Earth and Andoria are going to be asking for permission to build an Excelsior in one of your yards within the next few years).

These serve passive protective roles within their own sectors, usually within the key systems, while Starfleet patrols further afield (though they base in the key systems). By Federation law, those ships have no permission to cross sector lines, or impinge on Starfleet's prerogatives. In particular, anything involving non-member worlds falls on Starfleet's plate (this is why the last Captain's log on a Vulcan colony world came up to Starfleet).

 

[OneirosTheWriter]

@OneirosTheWriter I think you should seriously consider putting a hard cap on the number of times we can take the Diplomatic push action. Just as we only have so many berths to build ships, the Federation only has so many Diplomats and so much focus to put on potential members. At some point it should really be a matter of resources, not just political will. And besides, typically in a game if players are piling on the same action so many times, it's a sign something's gone wrong in the mechanics.

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I think I'll throw a maximum or three or four concurrent pushes starting next turn. Seeing everyone get a diplomatic push did give me pause, lol.

Will this border zone dynamically change as more western sectors get added? Or do we have to spend more PP in the future to redefine it?

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Dynamically changes.

 

[Tasoli]

[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit

We need to sprint for reneseance and build as many Centaurs as we can in the meanwhile. Because we are really weak in LC class.

 

[Void Stalker]

I think I'll throw a maximum or three or four concurrent pushes starting next turn. Seeing everyone get a diplomatic push did give me pause, lol.

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I think four would be a solid number of pushes per turn to cap it at. Could even be a project later to increase the diplomatic Corp so we can do more pushes

 

[lbmaian]

Brief analysis:

Compared to Constellation:
stats: +2C, +1S, +1H, +2L, +1P, +2D
costs: +30br, +40sr, +1O, +2T, +300k t

Compared to Constellation refit:
stats: +1C, +1H, +2L, +1P, +1D
costs: +30br, +35sr, +1O, +2T, +300k t

Compared to Renaissance:
stats: -1H, -1L, -1P
costs: -1E, +1T

edit: refit doesn't increase br cost!

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Might as well compare the Constitution refit to the escort classes too, although they serve different purposes.

Compared to Miranda:
stats: +2C, +2S, +2H, +2L, +2P, +3D
costs: +40br, +40sr, +1yr, +2O, +2E, +3T, +345k t

Compared to Miranda refit:
stats: +2C, +1S, +1H, +1L, +2P, +3D
costs: +40br, +35sr, +1yr, +2O, +2E, +3T, +345k t

Compared to Centaur:
stats: +2C, +1S, +1H, +2L, +1P, +3D
costs: +20br, +20sr, +1yr, +2O, +2E, +2T, +200k t

Compared to Centaur refit:
stats: +2C, +1H, +1L, +2D
costs: +20br, +10sr, +1yr, +2O, +2E, +2T, +200k t


...yeah I can go for it.

[X] Plan Return of the Constitution

 

[Random Member]

[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit
Request Mining Colony at Galus V, 8pp (4 turns, gain +15 br / year)
Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
Request Refit Program for Centaur class [+1 S,L,P,D for 15br, 15sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 6 turns 45pp (NB: new unit cost for the Centaur will be 80/70)
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Amarki
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Betazoid
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:Caitians
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species:RIgellians
Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)

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Looking at our current br stockpile and income, I don't think we need the mining colonies right now.