To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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@OneirosTheWriter shouldn't we have 140 to spend?
80 EOY +10 Tellarites reaction to Miracht +50 finish science early = 140
Also what are the advantages for the Vice admiral billet?
80 EOY +10 Tellarites reaction to Miracht +50 finish science early = 140
Also what are the advantages for the Vice admiral billet?
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Katsuragi
The 1%
[x][COUNCIL] Plan Emphasize Growth MK II
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Gaeni
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Sydraxians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Kadeshi
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caitians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Gaeni
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Caldoians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Sydraxians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Kadeshi
-[X] Request Mining Colony at Pygmalion 337 IV-3, 8pp (4 turns, gain +20 br / year)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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- She/Her
[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refit
Not going for this gamey all the pushes sillyness. And I don't really like the Connie Refit idea, mainly because it doesn't do anything to improve our existing aging ships.
Not going for this gamey all the pushes sillyness. And I don't really like the Connie Refit idea, mainly because it doesn't do anything to improve our existing aging ships.
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
- Location
- Getter Valhalla
Huh? That's all ready part of his plan.
At the bottom.
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- United States
[X]Plan Balanced Diplomacy, Industry, and Refi
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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- North American Plaguelands
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- She/Her
Ah. Not quite awake yet.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Well that's not insulting at all! Thanks for describing it as that.
- Location
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There are very few Vice Admiral billets (four) compared to Rear Admiral billets (well into double digits). More Vice Admiral billets reduces some of the up or out pressure, let's you retain talent for longer.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Bleeeh, it's so wasteful not to pursue the diplomatic pushes right now. We have a bunch of affiliates close to hitting the 300 point where they provide academy intake and additional RP and PP BR and SR.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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- North American Plaguelands
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- She/Her
Don't look at me. Look at the QM:
Yes, doing something that's only allowed because the QM is kind enough to not patch the rules midvote is gamey.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I see you're going on the vaunted double down approach to being insulting, how diplomatic of you.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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- She/Her
If you think calling use of a oversight in the rules that is only available because the QM isn't patching things mid vote gamey is an insult? That is your problem, not mine.
So, looking at the resource costs of +30D in Centaur (refits) versus Constitution (2306 refits):
Centaur (refit) [315m 800k t]
C3 S3 H2 L3 P3 D3
Cost[80br, 70sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-2]
*10 ships
800 br, 700 sr, +10 O, +20 E, +20 T
(other stat gains: +30 C, +30 S, +20 H, +30 L, +30 P, 30D)
Constitution Refit B [Cruiser] 2240-2300 (2306 Refit) [289m, 1m t]
C5 S3 H3 L4 P3 D5
Cost [100br, 80sr, 3 years], Crew [O-3, E-4, T-4]
*6 ships
Total cost: 600 br, 480 sr, +18 O, +24 E, +24 T
(other stat gains: +30 C, +18 S, +18 H, +24 L, +18 P, +30D)
Relative gains/losses for 30D in Constitutions versus 30D in Centaurs =
Gain: +200 br, +220 sr
Losses: -8 O, -4 E, -4 T, -12 S, -12 H, -6 L, -12 P
So, there's a clear advantage to the Constitution in terms of material costs and an advantage to the Centaurs in overall science gains and in manpower costs.
The greater toughness of each Constitution vessel makes it more attractive to me.
I'm not sure it's possible to reach the defense target if we focused on an all-out Centaur building campaign, since we'd need yard space to both build Centaurs and refit Centaurs.
fasquardon
Centaur (refit) [315m 800k t]
C3 S3 H2 L3 P3 D3
Cost[80br, 70sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-2]
*10 ships
800 br, 700 sr, +10 O, +20 E, +20 T
(other stat gains: +30 C, +30 S, +20 H, +30 L, +30 P, 30D)
Constitution Refit B [Cruiser] 2240-2300 (2306 Refit) [289m, 1m t]
C5 S3 H3 L4 P3 D5
Cost [100br, 80sr, 3 years], Crew [O-3, E-4, T-4]
*6 ships
Total cost: 600 br, 480 sr, +18 O, +24 E, +24 T
(other stat gains: +30 C, +18 S, +18 H, +24 L, +18 P, +30D)
Relative gains/losses for 30D in Constitutions versus 30D in Centaurs =
Gain: +200 br, +220 sr
Losses: -8 O, -4 E, -4 T, -12 S, -12 H, -6 L, -12 P
So, there's a clear advantage to the Constitution in terms of material costs and an advantage to the Centaurs in overall science gains and in manpower costs.
The greater toughness of each Constitution vessel makes it more attractive to me.
I'm not sure it's possible to reach the defense target if we focused on an all-out Centaur building campaign, since we'd need yard space to both build Centaurs and refit Centaurs.
fasquardon
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
You're acting like this was some egregious abuse of game mechanics to do something unintended instead of trying to operate naturally within the rules. So yes I am insulted by what you're trying to imply. It's an unfair characterisation. I'm also not impressed by the way you tried to shift responsibility for what you've stated over to the QM.
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pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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It was egregious enough that the QM decided to patch it out. Meaning that it was NOT intended to be there.
- Location
- Australia
@phoenix89 - he's not trying to abuse the rules. Yes, I don't think that I want to allow that particular approach in future (for one thing, it's a pesky amount of extra rolling for me) but that is a different thing.
So...
@pheonix89 @SuperSonicSound - You've both said your piece, I'd like to think we can drop it now.
So...
@pheonix89 @SuperSonicSound - You've both said your piece, I'd like to think we can drop it now.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
[X] Plan Return of the Constitution
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 50pp
-[X] NEW Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)
-[X] Request approval to formally add a Cardassian Border Zone to the Key Sector list, 15pp (Adds a new Border Zone, Cardassian events will take place there instead of potentially in home sectors)
-[X] Request Refit Program for Constitution class [Constitution-class acquires stat block listed below], 8 turns, 50pp
-[X] NEW Request expansion of Outposts in the Tellar Sector, 10pp (4 turns, +5 Defence in Tellar, more colonies with outposts if state of emergency ensues)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Rigellians
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Betazoids
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Orion Union
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 10pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) : Amarki
-[X] Request approval to make the Ship Design Bureau a Vice Admiral billet, 15pp (Ship Design Bureau will be commanded by a Vice Admiral instead of a Rear Admiral)