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Briefvoice said:
Hoo boy. I mean on the one hand it's good, but on the other hand we're back to the game of, "Will this make the Cardassians freak out?" There certainly have been picking far-reaching consequences from putting Ainsworth in charge of the Gabriel conflict. No one else would have gone after the Sydraxians like she did, and that led directly to this.



I do love T'Rinta's sardonic humor. And that she associates with so many disreputable people.



It occurs to me that this isn't just another bit of random Preserver handiwork. Remember, the Kadeshi are following a trail left by the Preservers. The ecosystem of this gas giant is another milestone.



Wow, NPC names coming fast and furious for the Voshov. You named a lot of the most significant senior officers here.



"Each vessel".... that was an extensive pirate operation if they were fielding multiple starships. No wonder they were actually a danger to an Excelsior.



Okay, Romulans. Well. Another plate for the spinning.
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I fully expect the Cardassians to try and do something about the Sydraxian situation. My guess is that they'll try to undermine our attempts at normalizing relations, and try to sponsor the least Federation-friendly successor regime that's in the running. So, stay on our toes, and have our GBZ fleets pay extra attention to Cardassian transport ships trying to sneak into Sydraxian space to conduct Obsidian Order shenanigans. We should also be on the lookout for similar Cardassian movements coming along the Straights of Themis or through Lecarre space to reenforce their hold on the Dawiar, come to think of it.

I had the same thought regarding the gas giant ecosystem. At this rate, the revelation of TNG's "The Chase" might be coming fifty years early, courtesy of the Stargazer and Kadeshi. Perhaps we'll even find the Preserver homeworld, and perhaps it even won't be full of sophomoric philosophical rambling and xenomorphs.

I'm guessing the pirates had 2-3 Yrillian corsairs, and maybe an Orion light interceptor as a "flagship."
 
Japanime said:
Uh oh...this may not bode well for future relations with the Romulans. Especially on the precipice of their war with the Klingons. Hopefully they truly are unaffiliated with the Romulans, and not something like a Tal Shiar cell, because we don't really need more problems at the moment.
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Honestly, there's not much difference between the splintiest of Tal Shiar splinter cells and random rogue factions unaffiliated with the Empire as an organized body. The Tal Shiar arguably isn't just a police force, it's a state-within-a-state, and there can be factions within it working at cross purposes with their own government.

Night said:
Imagine, if you will, that the ears are pointy.

Torpedo Fairy~
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That's it, this is T'Rinta's official nickname now. "The Torpedo Fairy."

Also... OMAKE INSPIRATION ACTIVATE!

Because seriously, imagine T'Rinta's Licori analogue. :D

Leila Hann said:
Took them long enough, but I'm glad the Sydraxian people finally came to their senses.
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I will note that if Rexasodie isn't dead, I have not the faintest idea how she's reacting to all this.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Snakepit is right around the corner. Now is finally the time to push Gretaria.

e: I also like how the Yrillians were the messenger. Can't send a transmission or spare one of your own ships? Yeesh.
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Maybe they were afraid that if they sent a Sydraxian ship, we would eat it? Or... what's left of the central government may have locked down most of the remaining Sydraxian ships. In which case, contracting a Yrillian ship may be a more reliable way for "concerned citizens" to get a message out without being attacked or punished by forces still loyal to the old government. Something like that.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Snakepit is right around the corner. Now is finally the time to push Gretaria.

e: I also like how the Yrillians were the messenger. Can't send a transmission or spare one of your own ships? Yeesh.
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Lets see what happens first, I would rather not push the Gretarians without more info least we cause negotiations to fail. As it is we have more than enough species to do pushes on.

Briefvoice said:
It remains to be seen who these "concerned citizens" represent. They may not actually have access to any of the Sydraxians starships, but the Yrillians are always for hire.
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Yrillians are also neutral so make a better envoy, more so if they know the terms of the Treaty of Celos and are trying to get through on a loophole.
 
Leila Hann said:
True. Could be some kind of elaborate Klingon black flag conducted with the help of disgruntled Romulan exiles (which also gives them plausible deniability even if it fails).

Or just disgruntled Romulan exiles acting on their own to give a final middle finger to the RSE, without any outside help.

Too many possibilities at this point. Need more investigation.
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Too true, but the question is, what do we do if we find out there is more to this than it seems? It's not like we can run an investigation into Romulan space after all, and just the possibility that there has been Romulan subversive activity within our own borders is something I don't think the Federation Council is likely to approve of.

I do hope you are right though, in that it is just a random rogue faction, because if this is a Klingon false flag operation, then we will have another crisis to deal with, something we do not need at the moment what with the Gabriel Expanse and our current war with the Arcadians.

Simon_Jester said:
Honestly, there's not much difference between the splintiest of Tal Shiar splinter cells and random rogue factions unaffiliated with the Empire as an organized body. The Tal Shiar arguably isn't just a police force, it's a state-within-a-state, and there can be factions within it working at cross purposes with their own government.
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That begs the question them, if our investigators do link this to Tal Shiar involvement in some capacity, even it is a splinter group, then what do we do with said information?
 
Japanime said:
That begs the question them, if our investigators do link this to Tal Shiar involvement in some capacity, even it is a splinter group, then what do we do with said information?
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Use it to bully some concessions out of the Romulans in exchange for us not giving logistical support to the Klingon war effort.

Same applies in reverse if we find out that this was a Klingon black flag.
 
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Void Stalker said:
Lets see what happens first, I would rather not push the Gretarians without more info least we cause negotiations to fail. As it is we have more than enough species to do pushes on.
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Dunno. It's pretty clear that the ability of the Sydraxian central government to influence and pressure the Gretarians will be massively disrupted. It almost doesn't matter what's going on in Sydraxian space, this is a good chance.

Japanime said:
That begs the question them, if our investigators do link this to Tal Shiar involvement in some capacity, even it is a splinter group, then what do we do with said information?
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Complain to their government, while finding our most passive-aggressive citizens to find excessively subtle ways to hint that this kind of thing tilts us subtly against them and in favor of the Klingons who haven't been pelting us with renegades?
 
Leila Hann said:
Use it to bully some concessions out of the Romulans in exchange for us not giving logistical support to the Klingon war effort.

Same applies in reverse if we find out that this was a Klingon black flag.
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Hmm...what exactly would we want out of concessions anyway? And also, what exactly would we do if they believed we were bluffing, and refuse to offer us anything but give us stern denials about their involvement?

Simon_Jester said:
Complain to their government, while finding our most passive-aggressive citizens to find excessively subtle ways to hint that this kind of thing tilts us subtly against them and in favor of the Klingons who haven't been pelting us with renegades?
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I'm sure the FDS can find someone within their ranks to play that role, hopefully they don't make us act on it, though because I am unsure of what we would do if they did.
 
Hmm I wonder if all these colony problems as a sign for us to finish up fast with that war since the bulk of the Federation cats are busy out eating other mice.
 
Japanime said:
Hmm...what exactly would we want out of concessions anyway? And also, what exactly would we do if they believed we were bluffing, and refuse to offer us anything but give us stern denials about their involvement?
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Honestly, I'd just be perfectly content to hand over the Romulans we caught, complain, and at most indirectly be slightly pushier in negotiations for cross-Neutral Zone trade or whatever.

I'm sure the FDS can find someone within their ranks to play that role, hopefully they don't make us act on it, though because I am unsure of what we would do if they did.
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Ah, I thought you were asking 'what do we, the Federation, do' not 'what do we, Starfleet, do?' Because the answer to the former question is at least interesting. The answer to the later question is 'realistically, nothing.'
 
Looking ahead to the snakepit we have a few options that are almost always accepted by everyone. 1st is the next Academy Development for 35pp. Then we have 2 mining colonies we didn't take last time (Proxima Eridani, Kappa Tau) and one found this year (Piara V) that we would normally take. I think that trying to start a mining colony at Kappa Tau is a pretty bad idea unless the Licori have surrendered before the snakepit starts which is probably unlikely. So 16 pp for 2 mining colonies.

I really think we should get our KBZ starbase right now. We've put it off for other things for a pretty long time now and the KBZ is our only sector without a starbase, except for the LBZ which may disappear after the Licori are dealt with. And we've talked about wanting a Starbase at Indoria for a while and if the Syndraxians jump ship that might jack up tensions so we're better off starting it as soon as we can. That's 25 pp for the KBZ starbase and 27 pp for the Indorian one.

That's 35 + 16 + 25 + 27 = 103 pp of 185 leaving 82 for any new options, new shipyards or other things.

Some of the options I see that we might want but are secondary on my list are setting up more listening posts on the Klingon border, getting another shipyard (I'd prefer upgrading Utopia Planitia but am not glued to it) and moving some more positions up to Vice Admiral level. Starfleet Personnel or the Explorer Corps would be my picks. I don't know if we need new tech teams or if we should start the Kepler project this year.

I think it might be a good time to push the Gretarians but I wonder if it'll be a repeat of the Bajor push where us doing it prompts the Syndraxians to unify and try to occupy Gretarian space to get a hold of their resources and re-build their shattered fleet.

What do other people want to see at the snakepit?

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Federation Council Options for 2314.Q2
Only up to FOUR Mining Colonies may be taken at this time.
  • Request Mining Colony at Castor IV-2, 8pp, 20 (30) sr/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony at Kappa Tau, 8pp, 15 (20) br/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony at Proxima Eridani, 8pp, 15 (20) br/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony at Ulen Gao VII, 8pp, 20 (25) br/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony at Peco Sigma, 8pp, 10 (20) sr/year, 4 turns
  • Request development of San Francisco Fleet Yards, 14pp (4 turns, gain new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of 40 Eridani A Shipyards, 18pp (4 turns, gain new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Ana Font Shipyard, 14pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, 14pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request Excelsior berth at a shipyard, 32pp (6 turns, gain new 3m t berth) [+5 for every extra 3mt berth present at shipyard past the first]
  • Request Cruiser berth at Utopia Planitia, 11pp (6 turns, gain new 2m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
  • Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Betazed, 18pp (8 turns, 2 1mt Berths)
  • Request new Shipyard at Amarkia, 33pp (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth, 1 1mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Ferasa, 22pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Rigel, 22pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Indoria, 18pp (12 turns, 1 1mt Berth)
  • Request new Shipyard at Apinae, 33pp (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth, 1 1mt Berth
  • Request new Starbase I [Write in Sector] 15pp for home sectors or CBZ , 25pp for KBZ, +12pp for each Starbase past the first in-sector - GBZ Invalid
  • Reduce Militarisation Level 100pp
  • Increase Threat Level 80pp
  • Request Ongoing Budget increase 40pp (Roll for success)
  • Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 40pp
  • Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
  • Request Science Academy Development, 15pp (Gain +1 Techs throughput)
  • Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
  • Request Start of General Cruiser project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 23pp
  • Request Start of Combat Frigate project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 25pp
  • Request Start of Garrison Frigate project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 25pp
  • Request Start of Science Frigate project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 15pp
  • Request Refit Program for Constellation Cruiser class [+1 C,S,H,L,D, for 40br, 30sr, 1.5 Year (6 turns)], 6 turns 18pp (NB: new unit cost for Constellation will be 70/55)
  • Request Refit Program for Constellation Escort class [+1 S, P, D, for 2br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)], 4 turns, 18pp (NB: Constellation reclassified as Escort, new cost 70/50)
  • Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 20pp
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to four times]
  • Arrange to have an Old Guard Admiral convinced it is time to retire, 20pp
  • Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. Pick one: 20pp for Starfleet Intelligence, 30pp for Medical, 30pp for Explorer Corps, 30pp for Personnel.
  • Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Vice Admiral position to an Admiral position. Pick one: 40pp for Starfleet Operations, 50pp for Shipyard Ops, 55pp for Ship Design Bureau, 45pp for Starfleet Tactical (This may create subordinate Vice Admiral positions)
  • Sponsor efforts to create additional Critical Ship Infrastructure on another world, 60pp (Pick world)
  • Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 1 month/year in that system, 125pp (pick world)
  • NEW Deploy Improved Listening Posts to a Border Zone to gain a 25% chance of generating +1 Intel report for powers on that border. (pick border zone), 20pp
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Simon_Jester said:
Honestly, I'd just be perfectly content to hand over the Romulans we caught, complain, and at most indirectly be slightly pushier in negotiations for cross-Neutral Zone trade or whatever.
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Personally, I'd hope our diplomatic service could get something more out of us catching intelligence operatives of theirs, if this truly is what they are. Bargaining chips like that are certainly not minor when it comes to diplomatic negotiations, especially when you know that you have leverage over the other side. Because sabotaging a colony, no matter for what reason, is not something we can realistically ignore, and I don't doubt some of our more...antagonistic council members would use that against the Romulans in any negotiations.

Simon_Jester said:
Ah, I thought you were asking 'what do we, the Federation, do' not 'what do we, Starfleet, do?' Because the answer to the former question is at least interesting. The answer to the later question is 'realistically, nothing.'
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Yeah, I was asking the former. Because it seems that even when there are issues which we as Starfleet aren't directly involved in, like negotiations with another power, we still end up advising the Federation on their course of action anyway.

Though, I am curious to see what you think the Federation Council's reaction would be politically if our suspicions end up being correct.
 
Japanime said:
That begs the question them, if our investigators do link this to Tal Shiar involvement in some capacity, even it is a splinter group, then what do we do with said information?
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We inform the Romulans of this and kindly ask them to explain this.

They will apologize profundly for this and promise to conduct an investigation to purge further such independent acting cells, so that such a situation may never occur again.

We thank them for this and go our merry way.

No way this is a sanctioned OP. Makes no sense. Why would they try to destabilize or weaken the Federation at this critical time, when they're about to face off with the Klingons and the Federation just proved itself to be perfectly willing to be the aggressor in war? Probably just a bunch of hardline Xenophobes that are "continuing to fight the good fight" after the Continuation Comitee decided to improve relations.
 
Japanime said:
Personally, I'd hope our diplomatic service could get something more out of us catching intelligence operatives of theirs, if this truly is what they are. Bargaining chips like that are certainly not minor when it comes to diplomatic negotiations, especially when you know that you have leverage over the other side. Because sabotaging a colony, no matter for what reason, is not something we can realistically ignore, and I don't doubt some of our more...antagonistic council members would use that against the Romulans in any negotiations.
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What I'm saying is, "we get nothing" is actually not that bad an outcome. Anything we can get from the Romulans as concessions is just gravy. The crisis is averted, realistically we know the Romulan Empire doesn't have a policy of blowing up our colonies randomly and this must have been some kind of weird one-off, it's okay. Back to normal, no need to stress over the long-term implications.

If we can get a discount on Romulan Tacos or something, I'm not going to complain, but I'm not worried about it.
 
Wouldn't a black flag operation by the Klingons be massively against their honour code? Trickery against an enemy is one thing, but tricking someone you're not actually in war against sounds like something they'd refuse to consider. Or am I misunderstanding Klingon honour?
JesseJ said:
What do other people want to see at the snakepit?
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There will almost certainly be option(s) regarding the GBZ we'll want, and if the Licori aren't dealt with before the Snakepit I'd imagine there'll be options for that too that we might want to pick up.
 
Algalon said:
We inform the Romulans of this and kindly ask them to explain this.

They will apologize profundly for this and promise to conduct an investigation to purge further such independent acting cells, so that such a situation may never occur again.

We thank them for this and go our merry way.

No way this is a sanctioned OP. Makes no sense. Why would they try to destabilize or weaken the Federation at this critical time, when they're about to face off with the Klingons and the Federation just proved itself to be perfectly willing to be the aggressor in war? Probably just a bunch of hardline Xenophobes that are "continuing to fight the good fight" after the Continuation Comitee decided to improve relations.
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I do hope that you're right. None of this would make sense for this to be something that was officially sanctioned. Though, as was mentioned earlier, since we are playing as Starfleet rather than the Federation itself, I hope that the FDS and Federation Council can pursue such a course of action as you recommended.

Simon_Jester said:
What I'm saying is, "we get nothing" is actually not that bad an outcome. Anything we can get from the Romulans as concessions is just gravy. The crisis is averted, realistically we know the Romulan Empire doesn't have a policy of blowing up our colonies randomly and this must have been some kind of weird one-off, it's okay. Back to normal, no need to stress over the long-term implications.

If we can get a discount on Romulan Tacos or something, I'm not going to complain, but I'm not worried about it.
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Oh I would be fine if this were nothing, I don't think we need any more tensions at the moment considering the things we are dealing with now. I'm just used to being somewhat paranoid when it comes to Romulans and intrigue due to their reputation. So in any case, I think taking a wait and see approach would be prudent at this point, since all we really know at the moment is that they are a splinter faction. Hopefully our intelligence can confirm this for us and let us continue on our merry way.
 
chriswriter90 said:
They've been know to be massive hypocrites regarding 'honor' on occasion.
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Plus, the Klingons are still in the transitional phase. On the 'plot arc' of Star Trek portrayals of Klingon society, we have:

1) The TOS-era ruthless pragmatist shoe-polish Klingons. 'Honor' was not in their vocabulary. In fact, they actually came off rather poorly by the standards of the honor-culture Capellans in Friday's Child.
2) The TMP-to-TUC-era Klingons, with forehead ridges but also with a LOT of cunning and practicality, who rarely talked about 'honor' and often used some rather dirty tricks.
3) The TNG/DS9 Klingons, who have exaggerated pseudo-Viking honor memes as the dominant theme of their culture.

We're about 50 years post-TOS in the timeline, about 20-40 years after the movie era, and about 50 years pre-TNG. So you tell me what to expect...
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Wouldn't a black flag operation by the Klingons be massively against their honour code? Trickery against an enemy is one thing, but tricking someone you're not actually in war against sounds like something they'd refuse to consider. Or am I misunderstanding Klingon honour?

There will almost certainly be option(s) regarding the GBZ we'll want, and if the Licori aren't dealt with before the Snakepit I'd imagine there'll be options for that too that we might want to pick up.
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There's the ideal of Klingon honor, and then there's what various factions within the empire get up to when they think no one will notice. Much like historical honor-based societies.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
Threatening to actually fund the Klingon war effort, under present political conditions, is kind of a 'nuclear option' in terms of our diplomatic interactions with Romulus.
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If the Romulan government is actively trying to undermine our colonies, then the nuclear option is the only option.

Fortunately, it is unlikely that this is the case.
 
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