aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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I'll bet you a keg of Romulan ale Guinan could see her, though. And I'd love to know what her future self might think of Data.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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I'm curious who on the Enterprise-D would, though. My first thought was Troi (discarded) but then I remembered that whole episode* of Data dreaming; his desire to become more human might open him to a lot of things that might seem irrational from a more materialistic point of view.
Edit: @aeqnai is right about Guinan, too.
Further edit: There are actually two! I'm thinking about Birthright Part 1, but there's stuff similar to that in Phantasms as well.
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Be aware that the Apiata use Bumblebees (which act as cargo ships) exclusively and have no freighters. It takes 5 cargo ships to transport the bulk cargo that one freighter could manage, meaning that those 38 go a lot quicker than you would think.
I have no idea why they don't just build some freighters. Maybe it's part of their continuing problem of needing to have ships small enough so they don't require officers.
Or possibly there is no "spirit of the Enterprise" and it's all just a bunch of dreams and minds slightly cracked from the stress of being on Exploration duty. That's what I bet on!
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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Based on the last diplomatic status, I really want a doctrine team on "Noble war" so we can make the best impression for after we can given the tactical limitations of fighting. That might include how to offer terms of surrender, treatment of prisoners and such.
Also, do we know what the Kad Peddath look like? Based on our last interaction with them, I've started picturing them as Sam the Eagle from The Muppets.
Also, do we know what the Kad Peddath look like? Based on our last interaction with them, I've started picturing them as Sam the Eagle from The Muppets.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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Such a limited, materialistic view.
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Of course, but it could be nice to consider the parallels between Data and a starship through that medium.
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From Boldly Go Other Species:
So basically, Andorians of a different color.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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Well I neglected to expand on this more, but I'm worried that our engineering ships ARE already busy. 2 engineering ships might already be building the Betazed starbase, while the other 2 are still ferrying Bon Vivant and Shield to Welleck for repairs, and who knows what else.
Fortunately, engineering ships aren't involved with colony construction (or maybe they are, but I missed the GBZ status update snapshot that would indicate this), and that colony construction is handled by our colony ships (remember how we were limited to a max of 4 mining colony construction at this year's snakepit, because we also only have 6 colony ships and 2 of them reserved for the GBZ).
Well, rather than federalizing any Apiata ships for use in this crisis, which I'm not even sure is possible anyway given their lack of a war support entry, I'm hoping that we can send in some Starfleet engineering ships to build the "Starfleet Engineering Command Team" optioned here, and let the Apiata and others take up the slack if it turns out those engineering ships were busy.
I'd bet Picard could see her by time he captained the Enterprise-E though
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I've managed to adjust the engineering hull:
I lowered the nacelle pylons a little to keep them lined up with the deck under the shuttlebay; don't want the plasma conduits there!
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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Unlike some designs I can name, cough cough.
Night
Widow Null
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I'm pretty positive he could. If Kirk and Nash are the kind of people who respond to the value of tradition, a name, and a legacy, Picard is the sort of person who understands it. Picard would be the one captain who'd look at Dream-Enterprise and know who it was without asking; to whom it would instantly make sense.
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Oh dear...
I hadn't noticed that, but that's really bad.Also, since this correction was all about the small shuttlebay, here's a shot of that:
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Chaos Blade
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See, while we've seen the KP do not cooperate with our ships on the field, citing our current status as a non belligerent, we can;t use that as sufficient reason we can't lay the groundwork between our nations.
Sending a team to the KP *now* would allow us to get a better grasp of them, do some light dipplo with the and start lobbying for what will happen in a month or thereabouts, and start laying groundwork to work with them or we might even learn we can't work with them for whatever reason.
On any case it might give us a heads up.
[X] Plan Diplomats and Starfleet Engineers
-[X] Starfleet Engineering Command (5pt from Starfleet, to deploy will require 2 cargo ships and 2 freighters to be sourced from member worlds)
-[X] Shorc Xurth Resource Combine - Heavy Industry (5 Cost to Tellar, gain Heavy Industry asset)
-[X] Retired Vice Admiral Heidi Eriksson - Doctrine Specialist (5pt Cost to Starfleet, gain Doctrine Specialist)
-[X] Generate Generic External Diplomacy Team from United Earth (10 Cost to Starfleet, 5 Cost to Member World, gain External Diplomacy Team)
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I have taken considerable pains to ensure that you are never 'required' to believe otherwise.
That being said, for purposes of 'Ask Enterprise,' one must stipulate for the sake of argument that the person answering the questions actually, y'know, exists.
Enterprise:
"Guinan and I met the night after I lost Jim. We... well, we pulled through what had happened to us together. If she ever comes back, for anything, she's welcome aboard for as long as she wants to stay."
Hm... [fast-forwards fifty years]
Future!Enterprise:
"He's a wonderful officer. I just wish he'd worry less about being human, which he isn't, and more about being a person, which he so very, very is. Poor man."
Off the top of my head, definitely Guinan, probably Geordi, maybe Data under very unusual circumstances. Deanna if she ever manages to think at right angles to reality hard enough. I could actually imagine Worf seeing her under the right conditions.
That's a fair point.
Then again- Kirk and Nash see her because they love her, deeply and personally on a level beyond the normal even for a ship's captain. Sam never encountered her for over a decade aboard ship, until the stress of command built up AND she was being subconsciously cued by Indorian folk beliefs AND she has this weird lucid dreaming state brought on by psychic side effects of exposure to a spatial whozit.
It takes a powerful psychological trigger, or a lot of priming (Lt. Bessle's predisposition to believe in fairy tales, Indorian folk beliefs) to reach out and touch the spirit of Enterprise.
That being said, given that Picard spends a very, very long time aboard Enterprise, he may well get his trigger at some point. If he does, I bet you're right- he'd know who he was talking to without being asked.
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Vulcans meditating.
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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@Enterprise
You've talked about your captains, but what about your engineers? How do they speak to you and listen?
You've talked about your captains, but what about your engineers? How do they speak to you and listen?
Jenny
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What do you think of your sister ships in the Explorer Corps? Especially Courageous and Sarek?
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Enterprise:
"You'll have to find a Vulcan who thinks my existence is close enough to logical to entertain the idea. Easier said than done. Spock read me straight from Jim's brain, and he still didn't believe in me."
[grumbles]
Enterprise:
"Well, I don't think I've had a chief engineer in as long as I can remember who couldn't read my body language when they were awake. Not for any length of time. Once in a while I've had exceptions, but those don't tend to stay in the job very long. The good ones? It doesn't matter whether they see me or not; they know me." [smiles]
Enterprise:
"Well, for starters, it's always nice to know someone else is qualified to save the galaxy in case you're off mapping the wrong side of the Federation or something. I mean seriously, sometimes when things get crazy, you start to feel like you're the only ship in the quadrant. That can be stressful, but I don't have to worry when the rest of the Corps is on the job. Well. Usually not..." [shakes her head silently] "Poor Miracht. You bring her back and you treat her right this time, you hear? Give her a lucky captain, not just a good one!" [waggles finger, scowling]
"And, hm. Sarek is... tough to keep ahead of. It's exciting. She's unpretentious about it, but she's very good at what she does. Maybe being named after a Vulcan has something to do with it."
"Courageous lives up to her name; she is so unlucky every time she trips over a bunch of hostile aliens, but it never stops her for long. It's hard to keep a good ship down, you know? It's probably a good thing she had Nyota to mother her through her first five-year mission; that probably explains a lot about her. I'm curious to see what she's coming out of the yard like this time, too; didn't they something about mid-life refits?"
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
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I'm wondering if all engineering teams are equal in capability. Of the above, one does not "belong" - literally half the size of another option!
Given how Kahurangi can act like an external diplomacy team for the options we care about, I'm questioning the need for another external diplomacy team.
FDS Ambassador Team is scheduled to finish the Gaeni integration push next month. Kahurangi is free this month, I think. If we're planning to vote for "Convey a request to Ked Peddah to begin planning for a coordinated war effort" as was proposed before for the FDS Ambassador Team, then Kahurangi may be able to do that just as well.
Meanwhile, I'm seeing a lot of heavy industry and engineering team use cases. Heavy industry for speeding up ship construction (as we already have a bank of components for 3 outposts and 1 starbase), engineering teams for building outposts and listening posts, and later the repair yard once the components are ready.
Hmm, I wonder if we could negotiate with Gaen to upgrade their outpost into a starbase. They may not be a member yet so it wouldn't be a Starfleet starbase, but the Amarki and Rigel member ratifications have proven that starbases can be handled over to Starfleet control. Gaen is also one of those future Fed homeworlds where it's going to be a bitch in pp costs to build a starbase at, assuming it stays grouped in the same sector as Sol and/or Betazed upon member ratification.
Possible heavy industry options:
- Courageous repair/refit ETC 2315Q2
- Our 2 Excelsiors ETC 2315Q1 (although rushing this may not actually shave a quarter off - "2x rate" could mean they're complete in 2 months rather than 4 months)
- Vulcan's Connie-B ETC 2315Q4 (could we get a war support bump from this?)
- Starfleet Engineering Ship or Cargo Ship being built at Vulcan ETC 2315Q4 (possibly too late?)
- Later: rush repairs?
The only other S3+ ships that could be useful in this crisis would take too long to complete: 3 Rennies ETC 2316Q2, 10 Rennies ETC 2317Q1 (of which only 1 is Starfleet), 1 Turtleship ETC 2316Q4, 3 Excelsiors ETC 2316Q4 (1 of these is Andorian), 1 Mega-Tortoise ETC 2316Q4
edit: With Earth and Tellar now in Early Mobilization, their 6 total Rennies will finish a quarter sooner already, along with their other ship builds, but still too late to be relevant here.
Possible engineering team options:
- Build listening outposts in subsector 1C
- Build outpost at Kappa Tau (although can this be done this month before any of our fleet heads out of LBZ?)
- Build sensor pickets at Betazed (any better targets?)
- Start starbase at Gaen (may need coordination with Gaen though since they're not a member yet, but this is a really convenient opportunity)
- Rushing our Betazed 2x1mt berth shipyard ETC 2316Q2 (though components may still be being produced for it and ETC is rather late)
- Later: repair yard once we have the components for them
Note: Betazed's own 1mt berth and 400kt berth were already completed earlier this year
Can anyone else think of other useful options?
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They have less ships but operate much closer to the war zone, so they don't need so much transport support to keep themselves in operation. Furthermore, they'll have closer connections to the existing industry and infrastructure already present in and around Betazed, which is likely to offset the fact that they have fewer ships. However, it's still a relevant explanation.
There is likely to come a moment at which we want Kahurangi to continue doing something related to internal diplomacy, but at which we also want two external diplomatic teams in operation. I think it's worth having two such teams, honestly.
I'm sure Kahurangi would perform admirably as chief of a military liaison office to the Ked Paddah, yes- but if she's off doing that, then she isn't here to support the war effort from Paris. And she can't shuttle back and forth between the two locations quickly because they're on opposite sides of the war zone- and over fifty light years apart, to boot!
I'd be much more comfortable having a team that can be permanently assigned to the Ked Paddah, and which we're comfortable keeping there for the duration of the conflict. Among other things because as part of resolving this whole crisis, we should take the opportunity to build good relations with the Ked Paddah, who are probably feeling some ill-will towards us: "Gee, NOW you realize they're dangerous, after you've only known them for FOUR YEARS!"
Yes. We can easily use at least two engineering and heavy industry teams, preferably more.
Agreed. Although now that we've created a Licori Border Zone that englobes Gaeni territory, it's likely that Gaeni will be part of a sector separate from Sol for the foreseeable future.
I like this. Like, all of it. No new ideas to add.
