Probably ought to wait till about, oh, 2320 to start pushing things. That'll be enough time to bring the Qloathi and Seyek in as well, probably could get the Honiani and Yan-Ros with some Diplo-pushing. The Honiani and Yan-Ros joining would seriously screw over the Sydraxians in a general war, because they then HAVE to split their fleet in half to defend against attacks from both sides.
 
I think part of the frustration is that we haven't seen the Amarki actually doing anything yet, while we've been getting explicit reports on what the Apiata have been up to. As the Amarki find their feet in the Expanse, putting them under Ainsworth's command may start to seem less necessary.

The Amarkian fleet hasn't arrived yet. They took their Anti-Slavery Task Force home for minor refits/refuelling etc, and some/all of that will then move to the GBZ.
 
Probably ought to wait till about, oh, 2320 to start pushing things. That'll be enough time to bring the Qloathi and Seyek in as well, probably could get the Honiani and Yan-Ros with some Diplo-pushing. The Honiani and Yan-Ros joining would seriously screw over the Sydraxians in a general war, because they then HAVE to split their fleet in half to defend against attacks from both sides.

I think the chances of the treaty holding that long are very low. The Cardassians won't hesitate to break the treaty if they think that'd be to their advantage. If we can keep the Sydraxians out and win a major engagement with the Cardassians, they may decide that cabinet warfare is not beneficial any longer. I give us two, maybe three years. Once we start accepting new members again the Cardassians will be heavily pressured to attack now before we assimilate the entire quadrant.
 
It's also true that if we manage to persuade the Yrillians to back us, the Sydraxians can't exactly have half their fleet on one side of their space browbeating the Gretarians and Yrillians and the other half on the other side in the GBZ. That would be an untenable strategic situation for them, and one where they either give up on the GBZ and on linking up with the Cardassians in order pull a Bajor on the Gretarians, or they give up on Gretaria and all-in on the Ashalla Pact.
 
I think part of the frustration is that we haven't seen the Amarki actually doing anything yet, while we've been getting explicit reports on what the Apiata have been up to. As the Amarki find their feet in the Expanse, putting them under Ainsworth's command may start to seem less necessary.

They've been pulling out of Space Iraq and reorganizing their forces. They need a little time.

The Amarkian fleet hasn't arrived yet. They took their Anti-Slavery Task Force home for minor refits/refuelling etc, and some/all of that will then move to the GBZ.

Yes, that.
 
It's also true that if we manage to persuade the Yrillians to back us, the Sydraxians can't exactly have half their fleet on one side of their space browbeating the Gretarians and Yrillians and the other half on the other side in the GBZ. That would be an untenable strategic situation for them, and one where they either give up on the GBZ and on linking up with the Cardassians in order pull a Bajor on the Gretarians, or they give up on Gretaria and all-in on the Ashalla Pact.

In fact, if you recall, their browbeating of the Gretarians is explicitly dependent on the Yrillians. The thing they are supposedly 'protecting' the Gretarians from is Yrillian raiders, and our intelligence service told us that the fix is likely in and they're actively colluding with the Yrillians on that front. If the Yrillians stopped playing ball they would have to employ much greater force to keep the Gretarians under their thumb.
 
I think the chances of the treaty holding that long are very low. The Cardassians won't hesitate to break the treaty if they think that'd be to their advantage. If we can keep the Sydraxians out and win a major engagement with the Cardassians, they may decide that cabinet warfare is not beneficial any longer. I give us two, maybe three years. Once we start accepting new members again the Cardassians will be heavily pressured to attack now before we assimilate the entire quadrant.
True. But the only viable control we have over when they'll attack is when we essentially force the issue by trying to effectively neutralize the Sydraxians. For instance, going full court press on the Gretarians and Yrillians while bringing in the Honiani and the Yan-Ros essentially forces the issue because the Cardassians have to start the showdown while the Sydraxians are still relevant.

It's admittedly possible that we might, if we're very lucky, manage to swing the balance of power so fast that the Cardassians go from not shooting because they think it's not the ideal time to not shooting because they've figured out they'll get rekt. Just about the only way I could think of to do that would be to burn a shitton of PP so that when the ratification moratorium ends the Qloathi, Seyek, Honiani and Yan-Ros join in addition the four that are already basically locked it.

One thing worth noting is that as long as they are keeping force concentrations in the GBZ high, they won't start the war. the GBZ is an excellent striking position for a Starfleet group, because it allows an off-axis attack into Cardassian space, a pincer blow into Sydraxian space, or withdrawl to our main military hardpoint (Apinae) on the Cardassian frontier. For the Cardassians, the GBZ is a terrible base. They can hit Apinae with an attack that will be seen coming a mile away, or they can move to Sydraxian space while trying to run past our GBZ fleet.
It's also true that if we manage to persuade the Yrillians to back us, the Sydraxians can't exactly have half their fleet on one side of their space browbeating the Gretarians and Yrillians and the other half on the other side in the GBZ. That would be an untenable strategic situation for them, and one where they either give up on the GBZ and on linking up with the Cardassians in order pull a Bajor on the Gretarians, or they give up on Gretaria and all-in on the Ashalla Pact.
And if we bring the Honiani in afterwards the Sydraxians basically can't do anything, because they don't have the force to stand up to SBZ + Rigel Starfleet + Rigelian Home Fleet + Yrillians + Honiani.

The Sydraxians are sitting on a time bomb and caught in a pincer they aren't fully aware of.
 
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burn a shitton of PP so that when the ratification moratorium ends the Qloathi, Seyek, Honiani and Yan-Ros join in addition the four that are already basically locked it.

I'm actually really tempted to do this, just for the looks on the faces of the development faction when they realize we're adding eight new members at once. Totally worth it.
 
I think the chances of the treaty holding that long are very low. The Cardassians won't hesitate to break the treaty if they think that'd be to their advantage. If we can keep the Sydraxians out and win a major engagement with the Cardassians, they may decide that cabinet warfare is not beneficial any longer. I give us two, maybe three years. Once we start accepting new members again the Cardassians will be heavily pressured to attack now before we assimilate the entire quadrant.

Three years was what we asked for. With Rennies in space, we'll be in great shape for any coming conflict. We're still outproducing them, so the longer we wait, the better it is for us. If the Cardassians are willing to wait that long, we'll probably want to trigger the war ourselves.
 
I'm actually really tempted to do this, just for the looks on the faces of the development faction when they realize we're adding eight new members at once. Totally worth it.
It's not a good use of pushes, though. If we can pull the Yrillians away from the Sydraxians we effectively neutralize the Sydraxians. The Sydraxians are then forced to keep a ton of their fleet tied up doing actual gunpoint extortion on the Gretarians rather than fake "protection" with Yrillian collaborators, and they have to be ready to defend everything against Yrillian escort spam on a moment's notice. That leaves them with much less for the GBZ.

It increases the odds of Cardassia dropping out of Cabinet War mode, true, but we can use their GBZ presence as a rough indicator of their likelihood to quit, and if the Sydraxians go down in the first couple weeks because they got stuck in a no-win between dividing to counter Yrillian raiders and focusing to counter a Federation pincer blow at their homeworld, that's excellent.
 
Just about the only way I could think of to do that would be to burn a shitton of PP so that when the ratification moratorium ends the Qloathi, Seyek, Honiani and Yan-Ros join in addition the four that are already basically locked it.
I'm actually really tempted to do this, just for the looks on the faces of the development faction when they realize we're adding eight new members at once. Totally worth it.

The Developmentalists don't have a problem with new members. Their problem is that the Federation is/was expanding faster than Starfleet & the Federation's merchant marine.

I'm sure we can get it repealed a year early if we expand Starfleet appropriately.
 
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The Developmentalists don't have a problem with new members. Their problem is that the Federation is/was expanding faster than Starfleet & the Federation's merchant marine.

I'm sure we can get it repealed a year early if we expand Starfleet appropriately.
They'll probably mind less when new members add less space to cover. Adding the Orions,and Caledonians adds relatively little additional demand for assets because the Orions are dead center in the Federation and the Caledonians are in the KBZ.
 
They'll probably mind less when new members add less space to cover. Adding the Orions,and Caledonians adds relatively little additional demand for assets because the Orions are dead center in the Federation and the Caledonians are in the KBZ.
I think you'll find that the Caledonians are actually in Sol.

 
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Well assume an average of 18 pts per roll ( I think this is slightly under average)
Caldonians-484 need 1 roll (2314)
Orions-439 need 3.4 rolls (2317)
Gaeni- 436 need 3.6 rolls (2317)
Risa 404 need 5.3 rolls (2318/2319)
Qloathi 357 8 rolls (2321)
Seyek 287 11.8 rolls (2325)
Though each +25 event cuts a bit over a year off those estimates. Risa we don't really get events for so unless they roll above average they will happen after the moratorium. As it is we have 3 that should be ready to go with no outside help, either events or diplopushes. Qloathi and Seyek with a diplo push or two or enough events can also get there.

Of the top 3, Caldonians-KBZ, Orions-Amarkia, Gaeni-Sol. It would be the Qloathi and Seyek that are likely in a new Sector.
 
Qloathi are in the Ferasa sector per the front page and map.
 
Qloathi are in the Ferasa sector per the front page and map.
Which is completely bonkers IMO. Someone fire the person the Council has in charge of districting in that area, for Q's sake. The Orions cut in half, Ferasa and Risa and Qloath and potentially the Dawiar in one sector while the Seyek have their own despite Seyek and Qloathi space overlapping...

A more sane route by far would be to put the Orions wholly into Amarkia and have the Qloathi in the Rethelia sector.
 
Omake - Comings and Goings - Briefvoice
Comings and Goings

Another year, and another crop of cadets leave the nest to fly out to the stars. Some go Exploring...


"Have a seat, Ensign," said Captain Mbeki.

Jacqueline relaxed from her 'at attention' pose and carefully lowered herself into a chair. She looked across the desk at the captain.

Mbeki studied her for a moment, then looked at a PADD tilted so she couldn't see the screen. "Ensign Jacqueline Appel, newly graduated from the Academy. Homeworld Tobias's Rest. Security and personal equipment specialization. Special skills include a hand-to-hand combat specialization in... I didn't know the Academy would issue a certificate for 'lassos'. Certified as Explorer Corps ready and sent to the Odyssey for your first- correction, second starship assignment." He paused. "You look confused."

Jacqueline took that as permission to speak. "Am I in trouble, sir? I didn't think the ship's captain had time for new ensigns... Lt. Harold said I might not see you in a month of Sundays, sir."

The captain smiled. "Usually true, but a mutual friend of ours has been keeping an eye on you. Commodore Thuir sent me a message and a mission log to read when you were selected for Team Odyssey. Said I should give you the once-over and see what the Academy had made of you. I suppose since Michel personally sponsored you to Starfleet Academy, he feels responsible."

Jacqueline perked up. "That's powerful nice of the captain- I mean, commodore. He always said he owed me for helping him out with those Yrillians, but I think he paid me back plenty. Letting me be a provisional cadet on the Miracht and sending me to the Academy... Commodore Thuir changed my life. When I got to the Academy, I swore I'd get Explorer Corps certified and come back to the Miracht. But, uh..."

She blushed slightly, mortified, remembering that this was the captain under whose command the Miracht had died. "The Odyssey is just as good." She bit her lip and looked to the side.

"She does do that," muttered Mbeki under his breath. Before Jacqueline could ask him what he meant, he continued speaking. "Ensign, it's all right. I miss the Miracht too. The Odyssey is a great ship and we're scoring a lot of points for the Federation, but I know how special the ship and crew that Michel left for me were. I only wish I could have reassembled more of the old Miracht team for the Odyssey, but Admiral Seruk would only let me grab a few."

"Yes sir. I reckon they'll all do well wherever they went," replied Jacqueline.

//

Off in the Gabriel Expanse, Lt. Commander Robert Yang sneezed before continuing to speak animatedly to his new commanding officer.

"Yes Captain Sulu, the Gabriel Expanse may be free of native intelligent life, but that just means there's no one to warn us about all the strange diseases we're bound to uncover. Why does the Sydraxian data we salvaged from Deva indicate they feared a plague, despite no evidence of any sickness? I believe this mystery, like so many others, has a biological answer!"

Brilliant man, thought Captain Demora Sulu, but she wished he did a little less grand-standing and a little more getting to the point.

//

"So I'm curious about something," said Captain Mbeki. He tapped the PADD. "Did you deliberately select your Academy classes to try and get assigned to Away Teams? Because when I match your skillset against the 'balanced team' recommendations in Trevolt's Away Team Annex guide, it's like a copy and paste from one to the other."

"No sir; I just picked what seemed the best fit for me," replied Jacqueline, eyes focused straight ahead and honest.

"Hmm. Well Ensign, Commodore Thuir expects great things from you. Try not to disappoint him. Dismissed."

Jacqueline saluted and then left. Mbeki took one more moment to study her personnel file, and set a condition in his log system that would bring her name up if he ever planned an away mission involving wrangling animals. You never knew....

For others, the first step is a small one.


"Ah, hey excuse me!" said Dash sh'Rinboq.

The Amarkian woman she had hailed turned around, clad in featureless gray exercise clothing. The sweat on her face said she was just returning from a jog. "Can I help you Ensign?"

"Ah yeah, I'm supposed to report for Renaissance crew training around here tomorrow. I wanted to scope it out tonight, make sure I know where I'm going. Maybe sneak a look around."

The Amarkian pointed. "That's the building you'll want, over there. If you're part of the crew, you should already have access, but I should warn you that there's not much there there to see. I'm told that if you showed up six months ago they had a mock-ups assembled of crucial areas like the bridge and main engineering, but with launch of the actual ship so close they've packed it away in favor of training on the real thing. And you won't be doing that until next week, when Utopia Planitia reopens it to crew."

Dash stomped the ground in annoyance. "Awww. I graduate, and all my friends get sent to ships all over the Federation, and I don't even leave Sol system. Now I even missed the coolest part of the crew training."

The Amarkian looked amused. "Are you sorry you got assigned to the Renaissance?"

"What? No way! I get to be on the newest, hottest ship in the Federation. No one knows what this thing can do yet, and I get to be part of finding out. I can't wait until they let me get my hands on the Helm... it's gonna be so awesome!"

"Enthusiasm is good."

The Andorian ensign continued on, "And the best part is who they picked to be captain. It's Leaniss Larai! She learned how to run a ship from the best, Captain Nash ka'Sharren. If I learn from her, it's almost like I'm learning from ka'Sharren herself. She-"

Dash paused and looked more carefully at the woman in front of her. Pictured her without her hair pulled back into a ponytail for exercise and in a Starfleet uniform. Pictured her in a captain's uniform. Dash's face went several shades of blue paler. She snapped to attention. "She's you! Sir, sorry sir! I didn't recognize you sir!"

Leaniss waited for a moment, then waved her hand. "At ease, ensign. I was out of uniform, and I suppose I should be flattered you recognized me at all."

Dash exhaled carefully.

Then the captain leaned in close. "As to whether I let you 'get your hands on the Helm'...."

Dash gulped.

"I suppose we'll see about that, won't we?"

One by one they get to know their new family.


"Hi everybody!" said Ensign Mitchie Peh to the room at large as she walked into the Lexington's mess hall.

"Mitchie!" greeted a dozen people in unison.

She'd been on the ship about three days.

They find their niche.


Captain Samyr Kanil sat in sickbay, clutching her stomach. She could barely believe it. Ulcers. Years of spying at the edges of Cardassian space, risking destruction every day, and no ulcers. Now all the T'Mir had to handle was patrols of a treaty-defined border, and she got stomach ulcers. Likely stress, said the doctor.

She must be getting old.

A young ensign (weren't they all young these days) with the characteristic black eyes of a Betazoid walked up to Kanil with two small vials. "Please drink one of these and then the other one after dinner tomorrow, captain. You shouldn't have any more problems with those nasty ulcers for at least a year."

"You're new on board, aren't you ensign? You must be... let's see, Shayla Fluttrax." Kanil unscrewed the top of one of the containers and swallowed its contents.

"That's right!" said the ensign in surprise.

"Don't be so surprised. The T'Mir is a small ship, Ms. Fluttrax. I know all my officers."

Kanil started to stand up, but the ensign laid a gentle hand on her arm. "Eh, am I not good to go?"

"Captain, the medicine will get rid of the ulcers but not the stress that caused them. If you have a little time, I have something that might help."

The captain considered, It was her off-shift so technically there wasn't anything she needed to rush off to do. "All right, wow me ensign."

Ensign Fluttrax made a strange clicking noise, and a small furry creature ran out from a corner of the room, climbed up her legs, and snuggled into her arms.

"Is that an animal on my ship?!"

"This is Rary. He's a shombat. They're native to Risa, and they love people. Isn't he cuddly-wuddly?" Fluttrax jerked her head up, startled, and responded to a thought that Kail hadn't voiced. "Oh no, Captain, he's on board as an official therapy animal! I got permission from Doctor Redding, and Rary here has been vaccinated and checked."

"Therapy animal?"

"Like I said, Shombats love people. Why don't you try holding him for a while? It might make you feel better."

Kanil opened her mouth to refuse, considered, and then wordlessly held out her arms. Rary jumped into them, snuggled up to her, and immediately started purring. She began stroking the animal awkwardly. It did feel kind of nice.

Shayla beamed in happiness.

A lucky few go with their friends.


Ensign T'Wilit and Ensign Rartay Aronn stood next to each other, waiting to present their orders and board the USS Defiant.

"Really, it was quite a sight to see the lines on this ship as we approached. I do so enjoy the Starfleet aesthetic, don't you?" said Rartay.

"I didn't look. I was busy reviewing details of our new assignment," answered T'Wilit.

"You didn't- This ship is going to be our home for years, maybe. How could you not look?"

"I know what a Constitution-B class vessel looks like," answered T'Wilit.

There was a silent, chilly death glare from Rartay.

"Perhaps I should have looked. The ability to accurately visualize a vessel's could be said to have a strong correlation without being able to navigate its interior. Logically, I should have looked," said T'Wilit after a moment.

"Well as long as you acknowledge the mistake," replied Rartay, satisfied.

The hatch in front of them hissed open and a human man with a Lt. Commander's rank pips gestured them inside. He waved a PADD at them and it beeped as it read the information on their orders crystal and displayed it on the screen.

"You're ensigns T'Wilit and Aronn? Good, great, I'm Lt. Commander Hugo Church."

As the hatch hissed shut again, Church activated a communicator. "All right, they're on board. Set course and go to warp as soon as the runabout gets to a safe distance. We're behind schedule."

Church nodded to the two ensigns. "At ease."

"Sir, my experience outside the Academy is limited, but it is most unusual for new ensigns to be greeted by the second officer," said T'Wilit cautiously.

"Things are a little chaotic at the moment. For instance, I'm temporary first officer now."

"Oh my, did something happen to Commander C'Nerow?" asked Rartay, alarmed. She tensed slightly, as if ready for action.

"Not at all. I suppose you could say something happened to Captain T'Rinta, but not in a bad way. She's been sent off to take command of the S'harien. Her own five year mission, just like she always wanted. Unfortunately the Explorer Corps seems to have waited until the absolute last possible moment to decide. Captain T'Rinta had all of about four shifts worth of time from notice until she had to be off the ship and traveling to her new command, and I think she used every second of it. Still wasn't enough. In the meantime, until Operations in its infinite wisdom decides who will be the new captain, Commander C'Nerow is in charge."

As he talked, Church led them through corridors. He paused. "Oh, before I forget... Welcome to the Defiant!"

Then there are those who have not been cadets for a long time, but who may still have dreams to be achieved.


Far away, back in Sol System, Commander Reginald Bertholt got a message from an old friend. When he opened it, the content was a picture of Captain T'Rinta holding a PADD, which she displayed towards the camera. Her expression was careful Vulcan stoicism.

Curious, Reggie magnified the picture until the PADD screen was readable. It was a set of orders for one Captain T'Rinta to proceed to the USS S'harien to take command of a Five Year Mission of exploration.

As a Vulcan, T'Rinta wasn't allowed to grin, so Reggie did it for her.

Which was exactly why she had sent him the picture.
 
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Would something like that really be worth the effort/resources? I mean from my, admittedly casual, perspective it seems far easier to simply slowly retire those ships and use their crews for rennies etc. since I feel like we are past the point where we need to focus on quantity instead of quality (especially considering our success on the diplomatic front as for example the closer cooperation with the seyek will massively bolster our cardassian front. )
As noted, we want the option of refitting the ships should we so desire, and we really need to keep our combat powerhouse ships free to be combat powerhouses if we want a secure margin of safety for operations in the Gabriel Expanse while keeping the other border zones secure. We're still some years from it being safe to retire the Constellations. Upgrading them is desirable even if we end up retiring them, too, because we may want to be able to pull them out of mothballs for garrison duty at some future date.

But do we truly benefit hat much from our affiliates having upgraded Constellations (if they even get them in anything resembling a reasonable time-frame...)?
It means that the member worlds can have more ships and better ships. That matters if we need to draw on the member worlds for backup in a large scale war (fairly likely), or if we tap into their forces to help us in a specific regional crisis (as we are already doing in two places at once).

If that's the case, maybe we should be the ones asking them which style of refit they prefer.
We don't have a good mechanic for that. Most of the Constellations (maybe all) are distributed among the founding four member worlds, and they've been letting Starfleet call the tune in terms of "what ship classes should exist in our fleets" for the past hundred years or so. They'd probably turn around and say "I thought making calls like that was your job, buster."

I just had a thought. Could we do a deal with the Hawk faction to get the Amarki to sign up with Ainsworth's task force? Offer the Amarki first dibs on the next colony site Starfleet discovers or something? Might make it easier for Ainsworth to go aggressive.
I think that's aiming too low for a deal. Deals should be game-changers, not just "convince someone to do something they probably considered doing."

These 4 are almost certainly going to be 500/500 when the 'no more ratifications' period ends - the Development faction is going to hate having 4 Ratifications the quarter after that runs out .....
The Council isn't a bunch of mindless robots; it's likely that the ratifications are going to be staggered out over an extended period of time (a year or two).

If we were to spend a Sousa Deal on such a thing, I'd like to add a transfers office to the MWCO. That way we have infrastructure in place to do crew swaps or move around resources more frequently.
That... is a very good idea.

And it's generally now agreed that pushing Bajor was a mistake, if only with the benefit of hindsight. Why repeat a mistake after we see how it turned out the first time?
The obvious response is "because we couldn't actually stop the Cardassians from muscling in on Bajor until they'd already done it, and arguably not even then, whereas we COULD stop the Sydraxians from muscling in on the Gretarians because we have enough firepower to do that."

Except...

We're forbidden by treaty from crushing them. We signed an agreement to leave the Sydraxians alone outside the Gabriel Expanse. What makes you think them formally occupying the Gretarians would release us from that treaty?
That you are 100% right about this part. At best, we'd have a significant fraction of the Council bickering over this. Over whether our intervention to protect the Gretarians from the Sydraxians constitutes the Federation violating the Treaty of Celos, or whether it constitutes us responding to a Sydraxian violation of same.

There is a significant risk of us touching off a general war this way.

Back then I was among those who pointed out pushing Bajor would be a mistake because the Cardassians would obviously panic over it. I don't see the situation with the Gretarians as even slightly similar in any of the relevant aspects. Learning that particular lesson from the Bajoran matter would be generalizing from the wrong thing, like being afraid of black animals because you were bitten by a black dog. It's possible that approaching another black animal at another time could also be a mistake, but it would have nothing to do with the color.
I'd argue that it's a similar situation- just with a smaller dog. It would be totally in character for the Sydraxians to go in with a task force to forestall the Gretarians from ending their tribute payments. That is not an unreasonable fear on our part.

The big difference is that at Bajor we were bitten by a black Great Dane, while at Gretaria the direct bite would be coming from a black Chihuahua.

The real danger is that if we react to the Chihuahua as its yappiness and violence deserve, we may be attacked by the Great Dane leading its pack.

Which is completely bonkers IMO. Someone fire the person the Council has in charge of districting in that area, for Q's sake. The Orions cut in half, Ferasa and Risa and Qloath and potentially the Dawiar in one sector while the Seyek have their own despite Seyek and Qloathi space overlapping...

A more sane route by far would be to put the Orions wholly into Amarkia and have the Qloathi in the Rethelia sector.
To be fair, as far as I can recall, that districting was drawn when only the Amarki and Caitians were members. When the Risans were a looong way out, and when we hadn't even discovered the Qloath. Redrawing sector boundaries as new members join the Federation is an entirely reasonable and probable course of action.

We don't draw our sector boundaries on the assumption that species will join the Federation when they have not yet done so. That would be colossally arrogant.
 
The official ship therapy animal is a good thing for this.

It'd probably drive us up the wall in the TBG show, though.
 
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