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- Germany
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- He/Him
A short, decisive war is needed.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
Maybe in the Balkans? or Space Balkans?
I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
- Location
- Infraspace
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline.
Don't know about the others.
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline.
Don't know about the others.
- Location
- Germany
So, we need to put starbases everywhere?
Yes-man plan
[X][PRIORITY] United Earth should join the wild west of the GBZ.
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Hospital Ship, 1 Engineering Ship, 2 Cargo Ships
Not concerned that they're obsolete soon - they work, all that matters.
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
New and shiny Renaissances! Soon to be the new Miranda/work horse of the Federation.
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Back the Excelsior build (-10pp, Hawks pleased, Development displeased)
After one or two colonies are saved by Excelsior: +20pp ? :^)
USS Michelangelo
USS Leonardo
USS Donatello
USS Raphael
And it'd count as naming them after Rigellians, too.
Disappointed there's no "Interest Romulans in the GBZ" Option.
[X]PRIORITY] Vulcan should change their Mid-Term priority to increasing their BR and SR income.
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
This is not a generic 'what is to be done' vote. This is an MWCO vote. The MWCO is a Member World Coordination Office, hence the name. Romulus is not a Federation member world.
If we can't overthrow the Sydraxian govenrment (through force or subversion), ultimately we cannot control the actions of Sydraxia. Bad consequences for the Sydraxians that result purely from the bad decisions of the Hierarchy are not a thing we can afford to worry about. Not without ceasing to take care of our own citizens.
If they weren't so expensive, I'd say "yes." As it is, we need to be careful where we put them because we can't afford very many. But any opportunity to put a starbase somewhere that it eases our Defense requirements at reasonably low cost is a desirable opportunity.
- Location
- Earth
'groans, and begins wondering how many ships will get damaged or worse this year'
Why are you voting for this when that's already one of their priorities?
Not that I'm sure that's a good thing given they've already committed most of their ships to the Orion situation and have the 3rd weakest member fleet besides.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
You, uh... do realize that they're joking, right?
- Location
- Earth
Yes, and my reply was effectively "please don't jinx it"
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- Germany
That's indeed super strange. People joined the Rigel Space Navy and never get to see an actual spaceship from the inside :/.
Wouldn't the Romulans see this as an attempt to spy on their tech up close and without their homefleet as backup (because of distances involved)? And somehow I still expect them to stab the Federation in the back.
[X][PRIORITY] Vulcan should change their Mid-Term priority to increasing their BR and SR income.
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline
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I expect a draw-back on the Orion situation within the next year. Now that they have had a Constitutional Convention and the Syndicate space forces have been smashed, there is going to be heavy political pressure for the Orions to go back to patrolling their own space.
I see it as giving them an opportunity to make a 'Backup Romulus' in case the war with the Klingons goes badly.
- Location
- Germany
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- He/Him
For that they have their infiltrators on the Kadeshi fleet.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
The problem is, we don't get those points. If the Caitian fleet saves a Caitian colony, we get nothing. There's no direct payoff here, except that the Caitian fleet gets a bit stronger, at the expense of the Caitian domestic economy.
I'd happily spend 10pp to buy a free Excelsior for ourselves. But that's not the same as buying one for the Caitians, especially at the price of ticking off one of the larger political parties in Federation space.
Yeah, but we sent her into a war we had (in essence) already declared, by the very nature of signing the Treaty of Celos and declaring the Gabriel Expanse to be a free-fire zone.
The decision to go to war in a carefully delimited Trial of Possession over the Gabriel Expanse was made over Celos.
Appointing Admiral Ainsworth to command the Gabriel Border Zone was merely Starfleet's way of acknowledging that they had noticed.
Alternatively, the Rigellians rotate crew through their ships rapidly and have a lot of ship-trained personnel serving planetside or stationside positions, or even serving in the merchant marine.
What, right in the middle of a big open space between two hostile powers and cut off from the rest of the galaxy by a third that would have them at their mercy?
Can't see the Romulans approving of that. When Romulans pull up stakes and flee to another planet, they do it on their own terms. Otherwise, they'd still be sitting around on Vulcan.
Also, that offer would be hella insulting. "Just in case you get your ass kicked and most of your population is enslaved, we'll let you have a new planet over here."
What we could do is offer to host Romulan "observers" or similar, in exchange for some other concession or cooperation. Not necessarily a good idea, but one within the scope of what either side would accept.
Didn't actually think of that.
I don't really get why people are interested in having a hostile foreign power meddling in the Gabriel Expanse. The Romulan Star Empire is not our friend. They might be willing to sign a non-aggression pact, but don't forget that they still have political factions that consider the planet Vulcan to be rightfully theirs. What they would really love is to see Starfleet bled dry in the Gabriel Expanse and for us to get as many ships destroyed as possible. That would make their day.
Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
The key word missing here is: YET.
this is true and while the loss of life could be problematic, if they crash and burn, we could probably move in and add them as a protectorate or some such, which would give us a say in how they will stand up again
Maybe they are the answer to our crew woes? we could ask the Rigelians to second some of their excess sailors and promptly assign them to our dirtside facilities! (following the RN tradition of using a prefix for such facilities to further muddle the issue
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Widow Null
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- Hoff
That would be the thing people have suggested with a show combat with the Dawiar. (Don't feel the need to explain Clan customs to me. I have my Warriors of Kerensky book in view from the home desk among other BattleTech gear.)
And it's kind of a rosy view of the GBZ in general. One of my concerns about Ainsworth is that while we've created a geographically limited conflict, if we end up having to blow up a significant number of nominally civilian hostile ships or intern their colonists or destroy their starbases...
We've confined the fighting to what is ultimately the grand tactical, but if we do well enough then it becomes a strategic threat to be responded to with strategic means. This is especially true of the Sydraxi, who are facing being cut off from their strategic patrons and having the enemy at that back door while the friends at their front door turn increasingly hostile. By nuking Deva IX Ainsworth has already upgraded the problem for them to an operational level, past the original grand tactical level we originally delineated.
EDIT: I should point out I'm not saying Ainsworth did wrong there; better to not have to deal with Deva IX as a problem. However the harder we push the more likely we force the Sydraxi to decide between accepting Federation victory and declaring war. Even the Cardassians could get to that point. Resources like prospectors, colony ships, engineering vessels; these are strategic resources and losing enough of them significantly impacts strategic plans for growth and development. We should be careful not to look like we are intentionally escalating the scale of the conflict.
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This is going to cost 21.6 pp with discount, by the way. It would allow us to free up a Constellation and a Miranda for other sectors.
Worth the cost I say.
- Location
- Patriarchova
Did the Sydraxians not know the Gabriel Expanse would be a free for all?