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No comment on my suggestion to shift Indorian priorities to joining the GBZ? Looking at the map, they're not much further away than the Amarkians are.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Vulcan should change their Mid-Term priority to increasing their BR and SR income.
[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
 
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Briefvoice said:
No comment on my suggestion to shift Indorian priorities to joining the GBZ? Looking at the map, they're not much further away than the Amarkians are.
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I'm worried it leaves their home world wide open if the Cardassians attack through the CBZ. They don't have a large enough fleet to effectively attack and defend. If you are going to do it, then make it a medium term priority so we can build them a Starbase first.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]

[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline

Like Simon, I'm not keen on putting designs for outdated support ships out there, though I don't doubt that our prospectors and colony vessels could use some upgrades as well.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]

I'm definitely against swapping out any civilian/economic priority. We don't have enough information to make sensible decisions about whether those needed or not, and it would be a bit of an overreach even if we did. What I might support is swapping one military priority for another, if there is a good argument for why it makes sense.

[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr

[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships

Would rather not build an obsolete ranger-based ship.

[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay

[X][BETA1] Go for it

[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed

We wanted a Starbase there anyway, and this might encourage the Indorians to ask as well. Hopefully they don't insist on it happening this year, but even if so we can probably still afford it.

[X][CATS] Decline

Don't want to mess with their internal politics, or civilian/economic goals as stated above. Wouldn't even vote for this if the pp cost was a non-issue.
 
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[X][PRIORITY] Indoria should join GBZ
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Hospital Ship, 1 Engineering Ship, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline
 
[x][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[x][AUX] Start 1 Hospital Ship, 1 Engineering Ship, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[x][BETA1] Go for it
[x][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Hospital Ship, 1 Engineering Ship, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline
 
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@Briefvoice: what Indorian priority would we be replacing? I'm definitely against replacing either "Replace Shipping" or "Increase Budget", replacing "Build Def Ship" I might be willing to consider but am skeptical about. On the one hand it they need the ship they need it, it's not like our garrison fleet there is strong enough to make up for any shortfall, on the other it's presumably going to be a Renaissance and delaying it a bit might give them more time to be sure to get it right.
 
[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[x][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[x][AUX] Start 1 Hospital Ship, 1 Engineering Ship, 2 Cargo Ships
[x][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[x][BETA1] Go for it
[x][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[x][CATS] Decline
 
Nix said:
@Briefvoice: what Indorian priority would we be replacing? I'm definitely against replacing either "Replace Shipping" or "Increase Budget", replacing "Build Def Ship" I might be willing to consider but am skeptical about. On the one hand it they need the ship they need it, it's not like our garrison fleet there is strong enough to make up for any shortfall, on the other it's presumably going to be a Renaissance and delaying it a bit might give them more time to be sure to get it right.
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In my mind it would replace "Increase Budget" because they are getting additional resources from the GBZ rather than doing internal development to increase budget. That is, joining the GBZ would be the action they are taking to increase their budget (with mining colonies and such) However I wanted to let them work out for themselves how they want to juggle that.
 
Briefvoice said:
No comment on my suggestion to shift Indorian priorities to joining the GBZ? Looking at the map, they're not much further away than the Amarkians are.
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The problem is that the Indorions really can't afford to detach a significant fraction of their fleet to the Gabriel Expanse without leaving themselves vulnerable. For the Apiata, moving into the Gabriel Expanse is a direct extension of their fleet's existing area of operations. For the Indorions, it divides their forces into two separate groups that cannot reunite... and their fleet is none too large as it is, given the size of the forces that can be brought to bear on them.

We could use their mining expertise, but we have the full mining expertise of the Federation to draw on as it stands. The real challenge in the Gabriel Expanse isn't exploiting its resources, it's securing them. A purely civilian Indorian task force wouldn't achieve very much, and sending a military one would compromise the safety of their home space.
 
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Hospital Ship, 1 Engineering Ship, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Back the Excelsior build (-10pp, Hawks pleased, Development displeased)
 
Simon_Jester said:
We could use their mining expertise, but we have the full mining expertise of the Federation to draw on as it stands. The real challenge in the Gabriel Expanse isn't exploiting its resources, it's securing them. A purely civilian Indorian task force wouldn't achieve very much, and sending a military one would compromise the safety of their home space.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. Just as an example, right now we only have two Colony ships and two Prospector ships in the GBZ. If they can send one of each, that would increase our rate of resource colony development by 50%. And while they can't send a large force, a couple of extra frigates would be more than welcome.
 
Briefvoice said:
I'm not sure I agree with that. Just as an example, right now we only have two Colony ships and two Prospector ships in the GBZ. If they can send one of each, that would increase our rate of resource colony development by 50%. And while they can't send a large force, a couple of extra frigates would be more than welcome.
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I think they should keep their frigates where they are. With the fleet investment we've made in Gabriel, we need some member world forces to guard the main CBZ.

Indorians should send us miners and builders, but keep their warships where they are.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
The Caitians are somewhat bucking the wider trend of increasing budgets, with the economic aftershocks of their war with the Dawiar catching up with them. Their income and intake have been clipped somewhat.
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Wars sure do suck. The Caitain-Dawiar war lasted a short time, didn't involve that many battles, and they're still dealing with the economic aftershocks five years later.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][ANDOR] Swap 55br for 30sr
[X][AUX] Start 1 Colony Ship, 1 Prospector, 2 Cargo Ships
[X][INDORIA] Accept - Indorians will be able to produce Renaissances, but 25% chance of a 2Qtr delay
[X][BETA1] Go for it
[X][BETA2] Agree - 20% discount on Starbase purchase for Betazed
[X][CATS] Decline
 
Briefvoice said:
Wars sure do suck. The Caitain-Dawiar war lasted a short time, didn't involve that many battles, and they're still dealing with the economic aftershocks five years later.
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I suspect that's more because of the economic effects of the mobilization effort. It's not so much the stuff that was destroyed, it's the stuff they built in an attempt to create a force capable of overwhelming the Dawiar and avoiding having the Dawiar overwhelm them.
 
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