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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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Briefvoice said:
Can't do it. Remember, we're stretched really tight right now and starting a refit means taking the Miranda out of service. I don't want to start the refit until Q2 when we actually have new ships out to replace Mirandas going into refit, and I'd prefer not to until Q3 when we have lots of new ships. That's the real reason I waited until Q3 to start any refits. Remember, if you put a ship into refit you have to look at the hole it creates and figure out what to fill it with.
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I was actually trying to take that into account by staggering the refits. I know that's why we haven't been refitting more than 2 Mirandas at a time. But if it doesn't work out, okay.

As someone else mentioned, I hope we can lend that berth for other Federation use. (It can be used for repairs, but it won't be timely for damaged ships in the GBZ.)

Heck, if we get more ships blown up we might decide not to refit any Mirandas, just so they can be kept in service. Trying to be very cautious about taking ships out of service for refits.
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Maybe we should replace that 6th Renaissance in Ana Font 1mt-1 with a Miranda-A or Centaur-A then, in light of our officer and SR problem next year. It would finish alongside (well, one quarter before) the 5 Renaissance wave alongside 3 Miranda-A refits.
 
Forgothrax said:
Given that we're scraping the barrel for crew... Do we want the Constie refit even if now isn't an ideal time? Doing Challorn to help keep her experienced crew safe would be nice.

Also, I wonder if a deal with the Hawks could let us super-duper expand the Academy.
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That runs into our other problem, of not having enough ships available to pull some off for refits. We can barely afford to have two Miranda's at a time refit, trying to pull our Consties in the next few years is probably impossible.
 
Hm, well it occurs to me that we could change that 6th lone Ana Font yard Renaissance into another pair of Miranda-A's instead.

It would free up an extra point of each crew type, but it would cost an extra 20br and 10sr though we can pay that with no problems. That would give us an extra ship, and the first Miranda-A would finish a year sooner.

Fake edit: Rats. Beaten to the punch by Ibmaian.
 
lbmaian said:
As someone else mentioned, I hope we can lend that berth for other Federation use. (It can be used for repairs, but it won't be timely for damaged ships in the GBZ.)
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I think we should offer it to United Earth or Tellar Prime to refit their Excelsior, since we can't afford to use it on ours.

Maybe we should replace that 6th Renaissance in Ana Font 1mt-1 with a Miranda-A or Centaur-A then, in light of our officer and SR problem next year. It would finish alongside (well, one quarter before) the 5 Renaissance wave alongside 3 Miranda-A refits.
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That actually makes the crew problem worse. Since the Ana Font Renaissance isn't a dual build, we don't have to crew it until 2316.Q2. Whereas an Escort would have to be crewed in 2315, in the middle of our crew crunch.

Kaze said:
Hm, well it occurs to me that we could change that 6th lone Ana Font yard Renaissance into another pair of Miranda-A's instead.

It would free up an extra point of each crew type, but it would cost an extra 20br and 10sr though we can pay that with no problems. That would give us an extra ship, and the first Miranda-A would finish a year sooner.
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Remember, crew isn't just a matter of number but also time. An escort we have to crew sooner is worse for a crew crunch than a cruiser that we don't have to crew until a year later.

OneirosTheWriter said:
Swapping the term escort for frigate is doable...

Do people think it is really worth doing?
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I worry that it would cause confusion for someone reading the quest, as "escort" has been used in so many game posts up until now. It's like, it would have been a good idea at quest start, but we're pretty committed to "escort" terminology now.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Swapping the term escort for frigate is doable...

Do people think it is really worth doing?
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I like the idea.

But I don't think we should try retconning 13 years worth of in-game "content".

HOWEVER. You could have an in-character vote on it. Isn't that warp factor redefinition vote coming up sometime soonish? Could have a starship terminology convention and delete Pluto as a planet have votes on warp factor and ship weight classes and any other ship-related definitions.
 
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Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 1334 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.6

Task: ROLES

[19][ROLES] A large science escort to phase out Oberths
Derek58
aeqnai
anon_user
Ato
Briefvoice
Chaos Blade
ClawClawBite
Deathbybunnies
Happerry
Kaze
Kyushiro
Leila Hann
Muer'ci
Nervos Belli
NHO
SynchronizedWritersBlock
tryrar
UberJJK
Void Stalker
[3][ROLES] Do Nothing [2.0x Weighting on this vote]
Steven Kodaly
Nix
pheonix89
[1][ROLES] Suggest something else - a dedicated intelligence ship. Roles: signal interception, decryption, on-site intelligence evaluation. Coordination of intelligence assets, able to stay undetected, and fast enough to reach hot spots / get out of hot spots.
MTB

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Task: WG

[11][WG] A 2v2 with any Ships, including member world ships, (The Salnas against the Blizzard and one Amarki Centaur-A)
SynchronizedWritersBlock
aeqnai
Briefvoice
Gingganz
Kaze
Muer'ci
Nervos Belli
NHO
Nix
UberJJK
Void Stalker
[7][WG] A 1v1 with any two Ships, including member world ships (Constitution-B VS the Amarki Hebrinda)
MS-21H 'Hawke'
Ato
Chaos Blade
Leila Hann
pheonix89
Steven Kodaly
tryrar
[1][WG] A 2v2 with any Ships, including member world ships - 1 Constitution-B and 1 Centaur-A versus 2 Amarki Hebrinda cruisers
anon_user

Total No. of Voters: 25
 
Personally I don't think it's worth the confusion from switching mid game. It doesn't bother me enough to justify it.
 
[X][ROLES] Do Nothing [2.0x Weighting on this vote]

We want the new ship, but there a people saying there are new sensors just out of reach if we do it now.

Regarding Frigate vs Escort, I'd apply it to ships like the new science vessel, to help emphasis that it is not designed for combat, even though it has a gun. Have a combat escort, a garrison escort and a science frigate.
 
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You guys can start fights about the most...inane things, can't you? Christ on a cracker, this thing with @Night and trying to find the very recent bug aliens on a list that gets updated once in a blue moon, and 'we need a way to make diplomatic contact that won't actually improve our relations with icky imperialists-' isn't that called 'intel briefs?' Push for one next season if you're worried about these guys.

And yes, we're looking at crew and resource limits about to smack up in the face thanks to our ongoing fighting situation. We might need to *slow down* even more in the near future, as horrible as that sounds. The mind is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised. Might be a good idea to try and scoop up more affiliates or push current ones to 300 by hook or crook-thank god Spock is on the case and we'll be automatically diplomancing non-affiliates soon.

...oh and I haven't voted, right. I wonder if we can get the Kepler out before the Ambasador.
[X][ROLES] A large science escort to phase out Oberths
 
Briefvoice said:
That actually makes the crew problem worse. Since the Ana Font Renaissance isn't a dual build, we don't have to crew it until 2316.Q2. Whereas an Escort would have to be crewed in 2315, in the middle of our crew crunch.
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Hmm, well if we expect further crew and SR losses next year, then we should consider replacing some of the Renaissances with escorts.

Replacing the 2 Renaissances in the SF berths with 3 Miranda-As that start in parallel in 2314.Q3 would work with nearly 40sr and more than 5 officer leeway. May not be as useful as 2 Renaissance in the long-run, but arguably about as cost-effective in a war.


Looking at the ship build spreadsheet and filling in columns for 2301-2308 makes me really appreciate how far Starfleet has come since then. We've nearly doubled our ship count, and much of it in explorers. In fact, if we didn't lose any ships, we would've doubled it by now.

Started in 2301 with 27 ships, building 5 ships in 5 berths
Lost 6 ships: Miracht (Miranda), Faithful (Miranda), Centaur (Centaur), Polaris (Constellation), Lion (Miranda), Miracht (Excelsior)
Scrapped 4 ships: all Soyuz
Built 31 ships (2 being refitted)
Currently constructing 15 ships in 17 berths

Kahurangi o7
 
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[X][ROLES] A large science escort to phase out Oberths

I will agree with the consensus, we need an interim science vessel until the Intrepid is ready.

As for the wargames, I haven't clue number one. I would've preferred the fleet action but one vote at the eleventh hour wouldn't change anything.
 
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Briefvoice said:
I worry that it would cause confusion for someone reading the quest, as "escort" has been used in so many game posts up until now. It's like, it would have been a good idea at quest start, but we're pretty committed to "escort" terminology now.
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We don't have to switch everyone to new nomenclature, just new designs. Plenty of precedent for that sort of thing.
 
Eh, I'm alright with 'Escort' instead of Frigate. In canon everyone knew the Defiant & Akira classes were warships but the Federation was more comfortable with calling them Escorts. It's a part of the Federation & Starfleet mindset.
 
chriswriter90 said:
Eh, I'm alright with 'Escort' instead of Frigate. In canon everyone knew the Defiant & Akira classes were warships but the Federation was more comfortable with calling them Escorts. It's a part of the Federation & Starfleet mindset.
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Well, yeah, but at the moment it's less "we're pretending they're not warships" then defining a relative weight class of under 1mt regardless of what it does. Especially if what it does is independent science stuff.
 
My personal vote is that we just start a redesignation with the Kepler, then when we roll out new Garrison and Combat designs they can be frigates too, while all the existing designs stay escorts.

Except the Oberths, who can be redesignated into Adorable Smalls.
 
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Are we thinking of doing the S.Frigate this quarter?

Elsewise there's not much point.
 
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