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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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OneirosTheWriter said:
1 Constitution-B-class cruiser (NCC-1748) at Ana Font Shipyards Berth 1
-From Standard Crew, 3 Officer, 4 Enlisted, 4 Technician
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Shouldn't the Connie-B have been crewed last quarter? My records show that we started it in 2311.Q2. At 12 quarters to build, that means ETC should be 2314.Q2 and we should have had to crew it 2313.Q2. (We should technically also be crewing the renaissance this quarter, but you already did that crew deduction a little early.)

I don't know if you've ever looked at my tracking sheet, but it's here.
 
[X][WG] A 1v1 with any two Ships, including member world ships (Constitution-B VS the Amarki Hebrinda)

[x][ROLES] Do Nothing [2.0x Weighting on this vote]

Gonna wait on the shipyard guys to decide on my role vote.

I do know that we're going to have an absurd income spike in 2317.Q3. Caledonian and Orions are almost garunteed to join, Risans and Gaeni are probably going to be ready as well.
 
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pheonix89 said:
@OneirosTheWriter
What preciely does
[ ][ROLES] Update the Combat Escort requirements (+2 Militarisation)
do?
We already had a Combat Escort option project at snakepit.
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UberJJK said:
I'm not sure it's actually needed. Compare the Garrison Escort:
to current Kepler designs such as:
Kepler [933kt]
C1 S7 H2 L3 P5 D4
Cost[95br, 75sr, 2 years & 4 months], Crew [O-2, E-2, T-2]

Kepler [927kt]
C2 S7 H2 L3 P5 D4
Cost[95br, 80sr, 2 years & 4 months], Crew [O-2, E-2, T-3]
and you'll see it's just as accurate to call the Kepler a Garrison Escort as it is to call it a Large Science Escort.
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As we move into a system of designing refits based off of the design sheet, you'll need to start justifying them by showing that older ships aren't meeting your current requirements.

Basically, it's in your interest to keep the list of roles as close to what you guys actually require as you can.

HearthBorn said:
@OneirosTheWriter , I think something happened to the results to the calculations above. We should be at 52, 41, and 41, just from the +8, not including the floating +5, and whatever the ratification bonus was.
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Hmm, well I clearly messed something up when I added the bonuses... I'll have to clear that up.

Briefvoice said:
Shouldn't the Connie-B have been crewed last quarter? My records show that we started it in 2311.Q2. At 12 quarters to build, that means ETC should be 2314.Q2 and we should have had to crew it 2313.Q2. (We should technically also be crewing the renaissance this quarter, but you already did that crew deduction a little early.)

I don't know if you've ever looked at my tracking sheet, but it's here.
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Hmm, I did in fact have it down as 2311.Q3, 2314.Q3, but after looking at the winning vote on 2311 Shipyard Ops, it looks like I put it down wrong. In any event, it needed to be crewed, and has been marked against the ledger now.

Correct completion date is set against the shipyard master sheet now.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
As we move into a system of designing refits based off of the design sheet, you'll need to start justifying them by showing that older ships aren't meeting your current requirements.

Basically, it's in your interest to keep the list of roles as close to what you guys actually require as you can.
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Hm. With that in mind what sort of role description would you give the Large Science Escort? Because from what I've seen over in the SDB people seem to be planning to put a Kepler in every sector as a responder to Science and Presence events (IE: almost all events) which means it will functionally be acting just like the Garrison Escort is described. So what would be the pros/cons of classifying it as one or the other?
 
[X][ROLES] A large science escort to phase out Oberths

We will absolutely be ready to start the Kepler within 5 years. Not a question in my mind. It's going to be a great ship too.

Still thinking about wargames.
 
UberJJK said:
Hm. With that in mind what sort of role description would you give the Large Science Escort? Because from what I've seen over in the SDB people seem to be planning to put a Kepler in every sector as a responder to Science and Presence events (IE: almost all events) which means it will functionally be acting just like the Garrison Escort is described. So what would be the pros/cons of classifying it as one or the other?
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I'd probably guideline a Large Science Escort as one that has max Sm Tactical frame, min Md Ops Frame, has at least 6 science, and should cost less than 80sr. Must be escort framed.
 
We should take the science ship project. I was playing with designs and there is no guarantee that we stay under 80SR. If people build a 1mt design we will be over. If we wait for 1.1mt berths (5y) we will be over 80SR. If we squeeze S8 we will be over.

The argument to not take it is gong to be based in whether we want to wait for tech farther than 5y. Right now the primary two techs that increase capability are 1.1mt berths (4-5y) and survey sensors (someone needs to look this up). Other techs are likely to have a marginal effect.
 
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UberJJK said:
Hm. With that in mind what sort of role description would you give the Large Science Escort? Because from what I've seen over in the SDB people seem to be planning to put a Kepler in every sector as a responder to Science and Presence events (IE: almost all events) which means it will functionally be acting just like the Garrison Escort is described. So what would be the pros/cons of classifying it as one or the other?
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Well the thing is, we already have a garrison escort that meets requirements. So to get permission to build a Kepler, we would have to either update to garrison escort requirements to beyond what the current Centaur-A provides or tag it as meeting an entirely different role.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Echoing the question on what expectations and effect it will have to class the science ship a generalist escort.
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You won't have made a case to the Council for why you're requesting go-ahead for a ship that has heavily weighted stats.

As I already replied above, your best course of action is to set roles as close to your actual requirements and intentions as you can.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Can we relax this for a science ship? Look at the Oberth br vs sr costs.
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Sure.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Hmm, I did in fact have it down as 2311.Q3, 2314.Q3, but after looking at the winning vote on 2311 Shipyard Ops, it looks like I put it down wrong. In any event, it needed to be crewed, and has been marked against the ledger now.

Correct completion date is set against the shipyard master sheet now.
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The other big discrepancy is that you have the Excelsiors in UP Berths A and C as ETC 2315.Q4. My records show they should complete in 2315.Q2 and crew deduct in 2314.Q2. They were started in 2312.Q2 and with Chen's bonus should take 3 years exactly.
 
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Do we need a dedictated spy ship, and, if so, is it Starfleet's job to design it or does the Intelligence service its own thing?
 
oh god rolz.org is down all is lost every man for himself the centre cannot hold

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
[X][ROLES] A large science escort to phase out Oberths

Honestly I'd like to see asymmetric wargames. Symmetric ones provide us with the least info. @OneirosTheWriter would a 2v1 count under the fleet battle or could we order it under the 2v2?
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Well, you do get to pick the participants, I suppose I'd be okay with "and my rubber duckie as the 2nd participant".
 
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MTB said:
Do we need a dedictated spy ship, and, if so, is it Starfleet's job to design it or does the Intelligence service its own thing?
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The Intel module is T5 Comms, so not yet.

Though experienced science ships have turned out to be excellent SIGINT vessels.
 
[X][WG] A 2v2 with any Ships, including member world ships - 1 Constitution-B and 1 Centaur-A versus 2 Amarki Hebrina cruisers

[X][ROLES] A large science escort to phase out Oberths
 
[X][ROLES] A large science escort to phase out Oberths
[X][WG] A 1v1 with any two Ships, including member world ships (Constitution-B VS the Amarki Hebrinda)

If we can get a combat 2 Kepler design, I think that would be optimal. By the time we actually get around to making one it should be a significantly newer design than the Centaur-A, and so it's superiority in all stats except C shouldn't be seen as an attempt to duplicate the general escort role in our science escort, but rather a consequence of technological advance.

Hell by the time we have the first Kepler's in production (Likely some time around 2320) we will probably be staring to consider a new generalist escort anyway. A design that will likely exceed the Kepler in several stats. And maybe even a Centaur-B refit.
 
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[X][ROLES] A large science escort to phase out Oberths

As for wargames...hmmm. Its too bad the Gaeni aren't full members yet. I have a sneaking suspicion we're going to have to fight at least one faction of Licori before that situation is resolved, and I'd like to get a taste of how a ship full of mad scientists is likely to engage.

In the meantime though, we know that a Conniebee is evenly matched with a Jaldun, so we should see how the Amarki stand up to that level of opposition.

[X][WG] A 1v1 with any two Ships, including member world ships (Constitution-B VS the Amarki Hebrinda)
 
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pheonix89 said:
Though experienced science ships have turned out to be excellent SIGINT vessels.
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That gave me the idea. The Cardassians will stay for a while, the Romulans and Klingons will not play forever with each other and Orion Syndicate leftovers ...
Seems like an intelligence service could use a spy vessel/SIGINT vessel.
 
Leila Hann said:
As for wargames...hmmm. Its too bad the Gaeni aren't full members yet. I have a sneaking suspicion we're going to have to fight at least one faction of Licori before that situation is resolved, and I'd like to get a taste of how a ship full of mad scientists is likely to fight.
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Confession: I had a moment of panic when the Odyssey log mentioned that the Gaeni scientist inventing the holodeck had red skin tones, because I remembered the Licori mentat process turns them red. "Oh god, oh god, are the Gaeni screwing around with mentats, this is the worst."

Then I looked up the Gaeni on Boldly Go species, and some do come with that skin tone naturally. Nevertheless, I got my eye on those guys.
 
@OneirosTheWriter, if the ship roles we define help make the case to the Council about future ship designs and refits, will the updated ship role requirements ever retroactively change the ship roles of existing ship classes?

I'm assuming that doctrines operate on ship roles, e.g. general cruiser and explorer ship roles (and not cruiser and exploer weight classes) get the Lone Ranger doctrine bonuses, so the ship role has an actual effect on gameplay besides ship design and pp costs of new designs.

You've previously talked about changing the Constellation from a cruiser to an escort to appease the hawks:
OneirosTheWriter said:
I'm strongly considering giving the option to redesignate Consties as escorts to keep Hawks off your back about insufficient escorts.
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However, the Constellation no longer meets the garrison cruiser requirements since at least last year, but as far as we know, it's ship role was never changed and we retained the Lone Ranger bonus for it. Even the cruiser variant refit we were given last snakepit still wouldn't have met the general cruiser requirements.

Will the Constellation be downgraded to one of the escort ship roles, and if so, when?
 
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