So for those interested in what the stakes of this vote actually are, here was an exchange from yesterday.





If we give Rivers what she asks for, looks like we could get a big throwdown at Deva (the Sydraxian entry point to the Gabriel Expanse) or 67 Gabriel (the Cardassian entry point to the Gabriel Expanse).
Are there any other ships we can shake lose to cover an excelsior besides the Yukikaze that are not in border zones
 
Are there any other ships we can shake lose to cover an excelsior besides the Yukikaze that are not in border zones

Man, this isn't secret information. Current deployments and sector requirements are on the front page.

But I will say this. We could send the Avandar and not replace it with anything.

The reason that Ferasa sector has a D15 requirement is that we took the "Flooding the Sector" anti-Syndicate option where ships in that sector make a roll once per quarter for potential Impact. If you want to give that up for Ferasa sector (and lose maybe 12 impact over the course of a year) then the Cheron is perfectly capable of holding down the Sector's "real" D9 requirement in conjunction with the Ferasa starbase.

So when I'm breaking the Yukikaze loose, I'm actually doing it to preserve anti-Syndciate Impact.
 
Man, this isn't secret information. Current deployments and sector requirements are on the front page.

But I will say this. We could send the Avandar and not replace it with anything.

The reason that Ferasa sector has a D15 requirement is that we took the "Flooding the Sector" anti-Syndicate option where ships in that sector make a roll once per quarter for potential Impact. If you want to give that up for Ferasa sector (and lose maybe 12 impact over the course of a year) then the Cheron is perfectly capable of holding down the Sector's "real" D9 requirement in conjunction with the Ferasa starbase.

So when I'm breaking the Yukikaze loose, I'm actually doing it to preserve anti-Syndciate Impact.
... yeah went through it and besides a sector here and there that is one over defense tellar is the only place we can draw from. My own view is now to move the Renissance to free up the yukikaze back to ASTF.
 
Ainsworth could also lose the war in an afternoon with such an attack.

There's that. But I'm actually sort of worried about what might happen if she wins.

The Cardassians oddly enough might be fine-ish if we attack and destroy their entry base, their reactions sort of point more towards shock that we are being aggressive rather than anger about us being so. They don't seem to be inclined towards futile vengeance.

The Sydraxians on the other hand seem to be pissed off already, and I can't see them taking Ainsworth destroying their entry base well at all. I'm rather afraid that we might end up making them a permanent enemy with this rather than encouraging them to discretely come to the negotiating table.

But everyone is bandwagoning behind giving Ainsworth more combat power so I figured I might as well support it as well while hoping that perhaps giving her the transport capacity she wants might keep her too occupied to do anything till next year when we will have more combat power in case things go pear shaped.
 
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[X][EXCEL] Send the Avandar. Replace it on garrison in Ferasa Sector by detaching the Yukikaze from the Anti-Syndicate Task Force and bringing in the Stalwart from Tellar Sector. Personal note to Ainsworth, highest encryption. "The pantry is now bare, Rachel. No more reinforcements until second quarter next year. Plan accordingly."
[X][OPS] Rear Admiral Nyota Uhura
[X][FREIGHT] Send 2 extra freighters, 2 extra Cargo Ships (-15pp)

The entire Cardassian Pact (Ashalla Pact?) Is probably quietly freaking out that a switch seems to have been flipped and we've gone from weak pathetic Pacifists to aggressive hard chargers.
Well to parallel history...

Bajor Pact? Maybe Borandt or Kharhazad Pact?
 
There's that. But I'm actually sort of worried about what might happen if she wins.

The Cardassians oddly enough might be fine-ish if we attack and destroy their entry base, their reactions sort of point more towards shock that we are being aggressive rather than anger about us being so. They don't seem to be inclined towards futile vengeance.

The Sydraxians on the other hand seem to be pissed off already, and I can't see them taking Ainsworth destroying their entry base well at all. I'm rather afraid that we might end up making them a permanent enemy with this rather than encouraging them to discretely come to the negotiating table.

But everyone is bandwagoning behind giving Ainsworth more combat power so I figured I might as well support it as well while hoping that perhaps giving her the transport capacity she wants might keep her too occupied to do anything till next year when we will have more combat power in case things go pear shaped.
We are stealing Cardassian clients and curb their access to an area they are interested in and kill their military. I agree with "They don't seem to be inclined towards futile vengeance." But for the next few decades, I bet, they will look into successful vengeance plots.
 
The entire Cardassian Pact (Ashalla Pact?) Is probably quietly freaking out that a switch seems to have been flipped and we've gone from weak pathetic Pacifists to aggressive hard chargers.
The obvious conclusion is that this apparent change in mindset has something to do with the Apiata/Indorian accession which after all happened only a month or so beforehand. What exactly is less obvious though.
 
Does anyone recall when/what post we got the description of the Apiata ambush of that Sydraxian/Cardassian trade convoy? I was going to look it up and see if a system was identified, and if it could be located in the Gabriel Expanse. Too many posts, though. Can't find it.

The obvious conclusion is that this apparent change in mindset has something to do with the Apiata/Indorian accession which after all happened only a month or so beforehand. What exactly is less obvious though.

That conclusion isn't entirely wrong, either. Making a serious claim on the Gabriel Expanse is part of the deal the Council cut with the Apiata to get them to join the Federation.
 
Does anyone recall when/what post we got the description of the Apiata ambush of that Sydraxian/Cardassian trade convoy? I was going to look it up and see if a system was identified, and if it could be located in the Gabriel Expanse. Too many posts, though. Can't find it.



That conclusion isn't entirely wrong, either. Making a serious claim on the Gabriel Expanse is part of the deal the Council cut with the Apiata to get them to join the Federation.

2311 Q2 M2 Captain's Log. The system is 23 Canard. So pretty close to Apinae Sector, which explains why the Apiata could pull off a successful ambush.
 
Does anyone recall when/what post we got the description of the Apiata ambush of that Sydraxian/Cardassian trade convoy? I was going to look it up and see if a system was identified, and if it could be located in the Gabriel Expanse. Too many posts, though. Can't find it.
Searched thread for posts by Oneiros with the words "little queenship":

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/7474171/

23 Canard is the system mentioned.

EDIT: FUCKIN' LACARRE'D
 
"We have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a great and terrible resolve." -Gul Isorkud Yamamad, sole survivor CDF Grater, First Battle of Deva.
 
"We have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a great and terrible resolve." -Gul Isorkud Yamamad, sole survivor CDF Grater, First Battle of Deva.
It's funny you mention this, because I forgot to make a comment during the Commodore selection thing that if Thiur was chosen we should make sure he doesn't take any runabouts out for a cruise.

I can't think of any figure in the CardPact we'd send a deep-strike mission to kill -- nevermind the fact that's not in the Fed's MO -- but if there was any officer the Sydraxians would fly a covert strike team to take out, it'd probably be him.

EDIT: Well, or maybe Ainsworth and Rivers now. EXPLORERS ONLY, LADIES
 
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We are stealing Cardassian clients and curb their access to an area they are interested in and kill their military. I agree with "They don't seem to be inclined towards futile vengeance." But for the next few decades, I bet, they will look into successful vengeance plots.

Maybe I worded that poorly. I meant to say that I wouldn't expect the Cardassians to immediately declare open war if we take out their entry base. Try to sabotage us, continue skirmishing with us, ect; but not to start a war with us right now.

The Sydraxians on the other hand don't seem like they're taking our attack on them well at all emotionally. I'm worried that we might end up with a permanent enemy enlodged in the middle of Federation space in later years, depending on how they react.

Of course, events could play out differently and they could instead decide that since force isn't going anywhere, maybe they should try diplomacy. But I'm cautious/skeptical about assuming that they will just stop hating our guts if we constantly beat them in battle and destroy their stuff. That hasn't exactly been a winning assumption to make if you look at history.

Edit: I'll be very happy to be wrong about that though.
 
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[X][EXCEL] Send the Avandar. Replace it on garrison in Ferasa Sector by detaching the Yukikaze from the Anti-Syndicate Task Force and bringing in the Stalwart from Tellar Sector. Personal note to Ainsworth, highest encryption. "The pantry is now bare, Rachel. No more reinforcements until second quarter next year. Plan accordingly."
[X][OPS] Rear Admiral Nyota Uhura
[X][FREIGHT] Send 2 extra freighters, 2 extra Cargo Ships (-15pp)
 
The entire Cardassian Pact (Ashalla Pact?) Is probably quietly freaking out that a switch seems to have been flipped and we've gone from weak pathetic Pacifists to aggressive hard chargers.

I wouldn't be surprised if this along with the anti-syndicate campaign convinces the Obsidian order analysts that the Federation's outward peace and love attitude really is just a front for a ruthless hegemonic star empire.

The freely distributed information? Insidious memetic engineered propaganda.

The apparent propsperity displayed on Federation worlds? Elaborate Potemkin villages.

Betazoid councillors on Starfleet ships? Telepathic political officers vigilant for thoughtcrime.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if this along with the anti-syndicate campaign convinces the Obsidian order analysts that the Federation's outward peace and love attitude really is just a front for a ruthless hegemonic star empire.
... and that's a reason to have a party, because now the galaxy makes sense again.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if this along with the anti-syndicate campaign convinces the Obsidian order analysts that the Federation's outward peace and love attitude really is just a front for a ruthless hegemonic star empire.

The freely distributed information? Insidious memetic engineered propaganda.

The apparent propsperity displayed on Federation worlds? Elaborate Potemkin villages.

Betazoid councillors on Starfleet ships? Telepathic political officers vigilant for thoughtcrime.

Federation: We're not the ISC!
 
[X][EXCEL] Send the Avandar. Replace it on garrison in Ferasa Sector by detaching the Yukikaze from the Anti-Syndicate Task Force and bringing in the Stalwart from Tellar Sector. Personal note to Ainsworth, highest encryption. "The pantry is now bare, Rachel. No more reinforcements until second quarter next year. Plan accordingly."
[X][OPS] Rear Admiral Nyota Uhura
[X][FREIGHT] Send 2 extra freighters, 2 extra Cargo Ships (-15pp)
 
There's that. But I'm actually sort of worried about what might happen if she wins.

The Cardassians oddly enough might be fine-ish if we attack and destroy their entry base, their reactions sort of point more towards shock that we are being aggressive rather than anger about us being so. They don't seem to be inclined towards futile vengeance.

The Sydraxians on the other hand seem to be pissed off already, and I can't see them taking Ainsworth destroying their entry base well at all. I'm rather afraid that we might end up making them a permanent enemy with this rather than encouraging them to discretely come to the negotiating table.

But everyone is bandwagoning behind giving Ainsworth more combat power so I figured I might as well support it as well while hoping that perhaps giving her the transport capacity she wants might keep her too occupied to do anything till next year when we will have more combat power in case things go pear shaped.

Everything we do seems to make the Sydraxians attack us. If they're going to be our enemies no matter what approach we try, I favor the approach that turns them into a weak, isolated, and crippled enemy.

I wouldn't be surprised if this along with the anti-syndicate campaign convinces the Obsidian order analysts that the Federation's outward peace and love attitude really is just a front for a ruthless hegemonic star empire.

The freely distributed information? Insidious memetic engineered propaganda.

The apparent propsperity displayed on Federation worlds? Elaborate Potemkin villages.

Betazoid councillors on Starfleet ships? Telepathic political officers vigilant for thoughtcrime.

Looking at recent events through a Cardassian lense, I'd suspect that there's been a reorganization of the Federation's regime that gives Starfleet more political power.
 
I've always thought the Romulans, Orions and/or the Cardassians viewed the Federation's post-want, moneyless society as being less an aulturistic move and more one of the ultimate efforts to eliminate ways to leverage their citizens. Many of the most successful spies have done so out of a profit motive, and it's hard to bribe people to look the other way when they literally don't care how much latinum you pile up in front of them.

Like think how many plots in real life and in fiction are kicked off by a lack of money. Now remove that. You've gotta work a harder angle now.
 
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[X][EXCEL] Send the Avandar. Replace it on garrison in Ferasa Sector by detaching the Yukikaze from the Anti-Syndicate Task Force and bringing in the Stalwart from Tellar Sector. Personal note to Ainsworth, highest encryption. "The pantry is now bare, Rachel. No more reinforcements until second quarter next year. Plan accordingly."

[X][FREIGHT] Send 2 extra freighters, 2 extra Cargo Ships (-15pp)
[X][OPS] Rear Admiral Nyota Uhura
EDIT: Tally?
 
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