But wouldn't that also be a big obstacle to getting promoted up the enlisted track as well?
That's more relaying an order from further up and keeping things in order for those higher up, rather than any true leadership.

The big issue for a apinae captain is that most of their race simply isn't biologically built to handle leadership positions. It isn't a matter of skill. I suspect that any officer apinae we see will be some sort of disaffected queen.
 
@Briefvoice, I made some changes to the shipbuild spreadsheet (my copy) to reflect revised EOY totals/income and the ratifications: Copy of Boldly Go Shipbuild

Changes:
- 2312 EOY br/sr changed from [1265br 555sr] to [1250br 535sr] (-15br -20sr)
- 2312 EOY br/sr income changed from [765br 550sr] to [750br 530sr] (-15br -20sr)
- Corvo colony income changed from [15sr] to [20sr] (+5sr due to last year's tech and fact that SR colonies have always had at least base 10sr income)
- Apiata+Indoria ratification income changed from [25br 15sr 0.6O 2.4E 1.5T 0.5EC] to [45br 20sr 0.3O 2.8E 1.8T 0.5EC] (+20br +5sr -0.3O +0.4E +0.3T)
- Anticipating either Gretaria or Yang-Rose being an affiliate by 2315 so that we'll actually have 9 affiliates for the 0.1=>0.15 per affiliate tech completion then (we're currently at 8 affiliates with the Apiata+Indoria ratification here and Honiani affiliation last year)

Thanks, corrections made. I'll note that the final Ambassador cost is still uncertain; will be able to make better projection for 2315 once we know how much the prototype will cost.
 
Apiata elections for Coucillor must be interesting. Presumably workers vote for whoever their queen says to, so it turns into queens coalitioning behind other queens to pool their votes and make a common front. So less public campaigning and more backroom dealing.
 
Apiata elections for Coucillor must be interesting. Presumably workers vote for whoever their queen says to, so it turns into queens coalitioning behind other queens to pool their votes and make a common front. So less public campaigning and more backroom dealing.
That's one of the things that could make the Federation so interesting - different societies nevertheless working together.
Imagine a Cardassian or Romulan intelligence analyst trying to explain why that works.
 
So there's been a lot of talk about Workers and Queens, but if we go by Leila Hann's original omake, there are also Drones.

These would be the caste that fertilizes the queens and actually carries the children for most of their development (the Queens only gestating them for a tiny period before passing them on, marsupial style). My assumption is that Drones can also make for decent officers, if also rare simply because they're more focused on raising the children.
 
So there's been a lot of talk about Workers and Queens, but if we go by Leila Hann's original omake, there are also Drones.

These would be the caste that fertilizes the queens and actually carries the children for most of their development (the Queens only gestating them for a tiny period before passing them on, marsupial style). My assumption is that Drones can also make for decent officers, if also rare simply because they're more focused on raising the children.
Do we have in-universe data on the life-expectancy of drones?
 
The big issue for a apinae captain is that most of their race simply isn't biologically built to handle leadership positions. It isn't a matter of skill. I suspect that any officer apinae we see will be some sort of disaffected queen.
Apiata workers handle middle management positions over other workers just fine, and they have entire starships commanded by 'Ozziras,' that is to say, officers who are from the worker biological caste.

But wouldn't that also be a big obstacle to getting promoted up the enlisted track as well?
Why yes, yes it would. Dizzy is one of the least promotable people in Starfleet, given that the recruitment process probably weeds out most of the genuine incompetents and fuckups. She's got some really impressive talents, but leadership isn't one of them.

She wouldn't be 'issuing' orders, just 'executing details'. In her head anyways.
The rationalization would probably break down, and then she'd have a nervous breakdown.

Dizzy's backstory is that she tried really hard to "fake it until you make it" in her birth hive, burying herself obsessively in work, and trying to conceal that she just plain didn't have the same reflexive, unthinking dedication that everyone around her did. She feels horrible about being 'defective;' in her head the reason she had to leave Apiata space and go live among a bunch of aliens is because she didn't love her mother enough. And having to do that terrified her, too, but she couldn't bear to hang around and it might have been actively dangerous for her to do so.

Honestly, if Dizzy didn't have a job that involves constant contact with and approval of a highly senior officer, whose orders she can relay and whose authority provides an aegis under which she can stand to exercise her own judgment, she might not be able to function in Starfleet at all.

At least, that's the place she's in right now.

Notably, though, this isn't a general statement about how Apiata workers are like this in general. It's specifically Dizzy who's like this. I'm sure there are plenty of Apiata workers who would make good officers and noncoms, given the right training; we know this because the Apiata navy itself has small ships commanded by non-queens.
 
Notably, though, this isn't a general statement about how Apiata workers are like this in general. It's specifically Dizzy who's like this. I'm sure there are plenty of Apiata workers who would make good officers and noncoms, given the right training; we know this because the Apiata navy itself has small ships commanded by non-queens.
Wasn't one idea for Apiata integration to allow the defectives to migrate to other worlds? I assume the Federation would run integration programs for them. If that's the case, we might see a change in the "O-0" in a few years?
 
So there's been a lot of talk about Workers and Queens, but if we go by Leila Hann's original omake, there are also Drones.

These would be the caste that fertilizes the queens and actually carries the children for most of their development (the Queens only gestating them for a tiny period before passing them on, marsupial style). My assumption is that Drones can also make for decent officers, if also rare simply because they're more focused on raising the children.
I actually kept forgetting to ask - is it said anywhere that Drones don't occasionally become Orizzas? I seem to remember that Drones work pretty high up in the hierarchy as assistants to the queens. I could see one also commanding a Stinger.

@OneirosTheWriter @Leila Hann any thoughts?
 
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Captain's Log - 2313.Q2.M2
Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 25120.4 - Captain Rosalee McAdams

The Federation Diplomatic Service have tapped us on the shoulder; we need to proceed to Rigel to collect an Amarkian ambassador that they want to send to the Yan-Ros. Apparently he's quite the ferocious chap by ambassadorial standards, and they feel he might fit in well there.

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Captain's Log, USS Calypso, Stardate 25120.8

After an accident, an Andorian Orbital Guard vessel is in dire need of a series of replacement parts for a blown out life support system. We've picked up the required parts at Starbase 3 and will have to do our best to get there in time!

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Captain's Log, USS Hood, Stardate 25121.3

Starbase 11 in Vega is reporting a series of sensor ghosts. This may be the Sydraxians going back on their word, it may be Yrillian pirates, it may even be sensor ghosts. What we do know for sure is that there is a convoy travelling from Rigel to Sol via Joburg that will be passing through that area, and we need to head this off quickly.

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Captain's Log, USS Calypso, Stardate 25121.4

We have arrived in time, and our engineering team was instrumental in setting the ship right. Their captain was fervent in his expressing of gratitude.

Apparently they were running a science experiment on the rings of a planet and a number of unexpected feedback loops began to cause trouble. I think every Starfleet officer old enough to hit command can sympathise with that story.

[Gain +5pp]

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Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 25121.7

The Ambassador's name is Jabei Mitoor, an Amarkian well versed in all of their ceremonial arts, who has spent much of his spare time learning the martial traditions of the different member worlds. I'm not sure how this gentleman became an Ambassador, to be truthful! That said, I think he will do well in Vail, though I've strongly cautioned him against rashly fighting any of the locals there.

I have enjoyed his company so far, and he has been giving me a few pointers in unarmed combat and in turn I've given him a few for phaser pistol drill.

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Captain's Log, USS Hood, Stardate 25122.1

We nearly had the ship cornered, but it pulled an incredible move to get away. However, we're still on their tail, and we're herding them away from the merchant convoy.

It's an Yrillian corsair, small but more than deadly enough to put paid to unarmed cargo ships. I think its a rogue pirate given their not-exactly-stock appearance and performance.

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Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 25122.4

We've stopped by a Rigellian outpost, their core-most facility. the Yan-Ros Council has placed a delegation there, where those who wish to travel to Yan-Ros space must gain clearance. Our Ambassador was given a preliminary clearance, but they still want to see him in person before clearing him through further.

The FDS has explained the Yan-Ros stance to me; after my own experience with assassins, and realising that other species are by and large much weaker, the Yan-Ros Council is very cautious about who they expose to the dangers of their world.

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Captain's Log, USS Hood, Stardate 25122.8

Well, pirates, but very determined pirates. They attempted to evade us again, but we slipped into weapons range and destroyed them. Despite giving them a chance to surrender, the work gang aboard apparently decided they had no interest in Federation correctional facilities.

[Gain +10pp]

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Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 25123.3

We have resumed our progress, but there is a problem. I have crew members going missing. So far four crew members are unaccounted for. I've instituted a Level 4 security lock down as we attempt to deal with this situation, and ordered the Ambassador to the bridge with us.

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Sector Commander's Log, Gabriel BZ, Stardate 25124.1 - Rear Admiral Ainsworth

Task Force 1 under Commodore Rivers is beginning to deploy, looking for the right spot to draw the Sydraxians out. Her six ships should do the job. The Apiata, meanwhile, are picketing the edge of the sub-sector, looking to provide sufficient warning if the Cardassians begin to approach to allow our fleet to consolidate.

Progress on the Collie mines continues. The USS Nicholas Barton, one of my prospectors, has uncovered a rich deposit of exotic materials, which our Cargo Ships are already collecting and returning.

Our Apiata allies have directed most of their attention towards the star 24 Camden, which contains a rather crowded system, with 12 planets and over 60 major moons. In there, the Trinzzi, one of the Apiatan Foragers, has already located one of the richest tritanium reserves yet found in the galaxy. I think I'll have to ask them to pick a more interesting name if they end up putting a major colony there.

[Gain +20 sr]
[Apiata prepare to develop mining colony and station on 24 Camden XI for 50br/yr]

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Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 25124.5

It was another bloody assassin! Aimed at myself and Ambassador Mitoor. Another Yan-Ros renegade, like the one I fought on their home planet. I have to say, as intimidating a prospect as they were on a planet, in starship corridors it is so quite another experience. We found ourselves locked in with the assassin on the battle bridge, having a knock-down, drag-out fight with the assassin, just the three of us. Mitoor was able to hold off the assassin as I worked to find the way through this one's shield: not easy.

But we did it, just in time for security to finish hacking through the door and come swarming in.

[Gain +5pp, +25 with Yan-Ros]

[FDS begins to put pressure on the Vail Council to explain the prevalence of these attacks]

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So I'd like to do a little informal poll, since I think it's a shame that the issue hasn't gotten more discussion. With regards to the Arcadian Empire (Licori)/Ked Paddah war, do you view it as an act of aggression on the part of the Ked Paddah or not?

[] Act of aggression. The Ked Paddah had suffered no harm from the Licori.
[] Defensive measure. The reckless experiments of Licori mentats had to be stopped for the safety of everyone in that part of space.

My answer?

[X] Act of aggression. The Ked Paddah had suffered no harm from the Licori.

I sympathize with the Ked Paddah, but you can't start a war and conquer worlds out of nebulous fears.
 
Yea, I do feel that the Ked Paddah have overstepped their bounds with what we know at the moment. If the Licori want to blow themselves up with crazy experiments, that's up to them to deal with, not outside nations.

Of course if we find out that the Licori were about to destory a significant chunk of the Quadrant and the Ked Paddah didn't have enough time to warn everyone or something, that's a much different story.
 
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So I'd like to do a little informal poll, since I think it's a shame that the issue hasn't gotten more discussion. With regards to the Arcadian Empire (Licori)/Ked Paddah war, do you view it as an act of aggression on the part of the Ked Paddah or not?

[] Act of aggression. The Ked Paddah had suffered no harm from the Licori.
[] Defensive measure. The reckless experiments of Licori mentats had to be stopped for the safety of everyone in that part of space.

My answer?

[X] Act of aggression. The Ked Paddah had suffered no harm from the Licori.

I sympathize with the Ked Paddah, but you can't start a war and conquer worlds out of nebulous fears.
{X} Not enough info. We don't know yet the complete story.
 
Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 25124.5

It was another bloody assassin! Aimed at myself and Ambassador Mitoor. Another Yan-Ros renegade, like the one I fought on their home planet. I have to say, as intimidating a prospect as they were on a planet, in starship corridors it is so quite another experience. We found ourselves locked in with the assassin on the battle bridge, having a knock-down, drag-out fight with the assassin, just the three of us. Mitoor was able to hold off the assassin as I worked to find the way through this one's shield: not easy.

But we did it, just in time for security to finish hacking through the door and come swarming in.

[Gain +5pp, +25 with Yan-Ros]

[FDS begins to put pressure on the Vail Council to explain the prevalence of these attacks]

if we have to deal with another entrenched criminal empire I swear to god.... well at least the guys with the personal shields are affiliates now. I wonder what level we need to get them to for them to share those designs?
 
There's not much nebulous about developing the ability to destroy stars, and very little reason to develop it besides mass destruction. If the Licori were in fact conducting core collapse experiments, then I completely get why the Ked Paddah attacked. Nothing good can come from that capability.

But we don't know that they were yet.
 
The Ked Paddah overreacted. If it was that easy to destroy the galaxy someone would've done it by now. The Licori aren't the first mad scientists in the Milky Way.
 
20 political will from only 1 month worth of Captain's Logs. Very nice!

Captain's Log, USS Hood, Stardate 25121.3

Starbase 11 in Vega is reporting a series of sensor ghosts. This may be the Sydraxians going back on their word, it may be Yrillian pirates, it may even be sensor ghosts. What we do know for sure is that there is a convoy travelling from Rigel to Sol via Joburg that will be passing through that area, and we need to head this off quickly.

Looks like this one slipped through the Sydraxian Border Zone if a ship from Sol Sector Fleet had to deal with it.


Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 25121.7

The Ambassador's name is Jabei Mitoor, an Amarkian well versed in all of their ceremonial arts, who has spent much of his spare time learning the martial traditions of the different member worlds. I'm not sure how this gentleman became an Ambassador, to be truthful! That said, I think he will do well in Vail, though I've strongly cautioned him against rashly fighting any of the locals there.

I have enjoyed his company so far, and he has been giving me a few pointers in unarmed combat and in turn I've given him a few for phaser pistol drill.

He's a diplomatic murder machine!

Captain's Log, USS Hood, Stardate 25122.8

Well, pirates, but very determined pirates. They attempted to evade us again, but we slipped into weapons range and destroyed them. Despite giving them a chance to surrender, the work gang aboard apparently decided they had no interest in Federation correctional facilities.

[Gain +10pp]

I'm glad the Hood suffered no damage.


Sector Commander's Log, Gabriel BZ, Stardate 25124.1 - Rear Admiral Ainsworth

Task Force 1 under Commodore Rivers is beginning to deploy, looking for the right spot to draw the Sydraxians out. Her six ships should do the job. The Apiata, meanwhile, are picketing the edge of the sub-sector, looking to provide sufficient warning if the Cardassians begin to approach to allow our fleet to consolidate.

Progress on the Collie mines continues. The USS Nicholas Barton, one of my prospectors, has uncovered a rich deposit of exotic materials, which our Cargo Ships are already collecting and returning.

Our Apiata allies have directed most of their attention towards the star 24 Camden, which contains a rather crowded system, with 12 planets and over 60 major moons. In there, the Trinzzi, one of the Apiatan Foragers, has already located one of the richest tritanium reserves yet found in the galaxy. I think I'll have to ask them to pick a more interesting name if they end up putting a major colony there.

[Gain +20 sr]
[Apiata prepare to develop mining colony and station on 24 Camden XI for 50br/yr]

50 br per year? The Gabriel Expanse really does have incredible resources! The Cardassians would kill for a mine like that. Literally.

Task Force 1, now fully reinforced, has two Excelsiors, two Connie-Bs, and two Miranda-As. Counting the Kumari's Blooded status, that's 29C to hit the Sydraxians with. I only hope Rivers doesn't underestimate them.

Captain's Log, USS Courageous, Stardate 25124.5

It was another bloody assassin! Aimed at myself and Ambassador Mitoor. Another Yan-Ros renegade, like the one I fought on their home planet. I have to say, as intimidating a prospect as they were on a planet, in starship corridors it is so quite another experience. We found ourselves locked in with the assassin on the battle bridge, having a knock-down, drag-out fight with the assassin, just the three of us. Mitoor was able to hold off the assassin as I worked to find the way through this one's shield: not easy.

But we did it, just in time for security to finish hacking through the door and come swarming in.

[Gain +5pp, +25 with Yan-Ros]

[FDS begins to put pressure on the Vail Council to explain the prevalence of these attacks]

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I believe that takes them all the way to Affiliate status... presuming they can explain all the assassins!
 
The Ked Paddah overreacted. If it was that easy to destroy the galaxy someone would've done it by now. The Licori aren't the first mad scientists in the Milky Way.
That depends on the number of "don't rearrange my playground" entities around. And what is a 'playground' - there might be a difference between galaxy and sector.

I believe that takes them all the way to Affiliate status... presuming they can explain all the assassins!
"Part of our cultural heritage."
 
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{X} Not enough info. We don't know yet the complete story.

There's not much nebulous about developing the ability to destroy stars, and very little reason to develop it besides mass destruction. If the Licori were in fact conducting core collapse experiments, then I completely get why the Ked Paddah attacked. Nothing good can come from that capability.

But we don't know that they were yet.

From the 2313.Q2.M1 Captain's Logs....

Ambassador's Log, Morshadd, Ambassador Elisa Bairn, Stardate 25094.2

The arrival of investigators from the Council has provided me with sufficient resources to begin properly looking into the root causes of the Licori-Ked Paddah conflict. Hopefully it will pave the way to new, more effective avenues of mediating the conflict.

As near as we have been able to tell so far though, the basic story is correct. An escalating series of reckless Mentat experiments led to the Ked Paddah deciding to take drastic measures. Now, I have to say, this is a delicate point: do we consider the declaration to be an act of aggression? The Ked Paddah suffered no direct injury from the Mentat scientists, but nonetheless they viewed the safety of the galaxy to be at stake, and declared war. For the Arcadian Empire, that is to say, the Licori, this is unquestionably an unjustifiable act of aggression. For the Ked Paddah, however, it was simply a matter of defending themselves and others from the threat of rogue experiments.

Notably, the noble houses of the Licori have heavily constrained their Mentats since the start of this conflict.

More information could come to light, of course, but it seems like we do have the basic story and it's correct. It also appears to have worked, if the Mentats are under restraint.
 
The Apiata, meanwhile, are picketing the edge of the sub-sector, looking to provide sufficient warning if the Cardassians begin to approach to allow our fleet to consolidate.
That sounds very useful.

[Apiata prepare to develop mining colony and station on 24 Camden XI for 50br/yr]
Nice. More construction materials for the Apinae fleet!

It was another bloody assassin! Aimed at myself and Ambassador Mitoor.
Looks like employing an Amarki as an Ambadassador was an excellent choice, along with the choice of starship-and-captain.

[FDS begins to put pressure on the Vail Council to explain the prevalence of these attacks]
Looks like they're earning their pay! Now, how may Starfleet continue to be of assistance to the Diplomatic Service? :)

I sympathize with the Ked Paddah, but you can't start a war and conquer worlds out of nebulous fears.
In fairness, Gamma Ray Bursts are nobody's friend. If I thought that someone was trying to work out how to induce those, I know I'd be cranky.

Best thing we can do is facilitate better coordination between the Licori scientific establishment and the rest of the galaxy, so that nobody gets taken by surprise again.
 
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