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Briefvoice said:
More information could come to light, of course, but it seems like we do have the basic story and it's correct. It also appears to have worked, if the Mentats are under restraint.
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Well, we know they were thinking about it, yeah, but did they actually do experiments? I can forgive thinking about it. I can't forgive "we tested this and it worked!"
 
I am pleased to see McAdams (and Ambassador Mitoor) working hard to befriend the Yan-Ros.

MTB said:
Don't know, but from what I remember from the queen's discussing enough that they thought they are a problem for their society. Sounds like more than 1 in ten million ...
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's up around 0.01 to 0.1% or so, given that there are entire societies of separatist 'defectives' apparently. There may also be a 'defectiveness spectrum' with some workers just having slightly lower than normal instinctive loyalty response, while others are entirely lacking in it.

We need a less judgmental word than 'defective' for this.

Torgamous said:
The Ked Paddah overreacted. If it was that easy to destroy the galaxy someone would've done it by now. The Licori aren't the first mad scientists in the Milky Way.
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That doesn't make them good neighbors.

Briefvoice said:
So I'd like to do a little informal poll, since I think it's a shame that the issue hasn't gotten more discussion. With regards to the Arcadian Empire (Licori)/Ked Paddah war, do you view it as an act of aggression on the part of the Ked Paddah or not?

[] Act of aggression. The Ked Paddah had suffered no harm from the Licori.
[] Defensive measure. The reckless experiments of Licori mentats had to be stopped for the safety of everyone in that part of space.

My answer?

[] Act of aggression. The Ked Paddah had suffered no harm from the Licori.

I sympathize with the Ked Paddah, but you can't start a war and conquer worlds out of nebulous fears.
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We still haven't really heard the Ked Paddah's side of the story, as far as I can tell. It may well be that the Ked Paddah have experienced nasty side effects the Licori don't even know about, or are trying to pretend didn't happen. Plus, there are several Star Trek technologies capable of devastating entire sectors, not just individual star systems; the existential risk to the Ked Paddah if the Licori start monkeying with Omega molecules or something is very real.
 
Is it just me, or are our little Mirandas and Constellations doing better lately than our Excelsiors (the non-FYM ones at least)? Sure seems that way...

Anyway, 20 SR does help the SR crunch next year. Although we don't directly get the benefits of that BR colony, there's further incentive for the Apiata to support the GBZ campaign, not that they really needed more.

And *checks tally* wow we now have more pp than we had in the last snakepit (edit: less than a quarter after said snakepit!). That's ridiculous.

OneirosTheWriter said:
In there, the Trinzzi, one of the Apiatan Foragers, has already located one of the richest tritanium reserves yet found in the galaxy. I think I'll have to ask them to pick a more interesting name if they end up putting a major colony there.
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Bah! Birziz..(more z sounds)..za is a perfectly fine name :D

Briefvoice said:
So I'd like to do a little informal poll, since I think it's a shame that the issue hasn't gotten more discussion. With regards to the Arcadian Empire (Licori)/Ked Paddah war, do you view it as an act of aggression on the part of the Ked Paddah or not?
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I'm still undecided. But I think it's important to get these nations beyond the blame game if we want to achieve a diplomatic resolution.

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I believe that takes them all the way to Affiliate status... presuming they can explain all the assassins!
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Yup, they should be affiliates. Another 0.1/0.1/0.1 crew income.

This ties the record for time between contact to affiliation - Nash got Apiata to affiliate in one continuous first contact event over two quarters back in 2306.
 
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Briefvoice said:
More information could come to light, of course, but it seems like we do have the basic story and it's correct. It also appears to have worked, if the Mentats are under restraint.
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For me the important questions are: Did they issue an ultimatum that was ignored before starting the war? If yes, how reasonable were the terms of the ultimatum? If no, did they have good reasons for not trying an ultimatum first?

If the answer to both questions is no it's an unjustified act of aggression. Otherwise it might be partially or even completely justified.
 
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Nix said:
For species that didn't become affiliates as part of the initial first contact event like e. g. the Caldonians, you mean?
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Oh forgot about that. Yeah Caldonians would take the record of first contact to affiliation in a single quarter. That achievement got overshadowed by the Biophage crisis though :/
 
Iron Wolf said:
I actually kept forgetting to ask - is it said anywhere that Drones don't occasionally become Orizzas? I seem to remember that Drones work pretty high up in the hierarchy as assistants to the queens. I could see one also commanding a Stinger.

@OneirosTheWriter @Leila Hann any thoughts?
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The traditional role of a drone is to tend the children and counsel the queen. They might have higher "social status" than a worker, but they appear in fewer roles.

Workers have the ability to command each other, and have probably done so since ancient times when the apiata first developed agricultural societies that required an inter-worker hierarchy. The modern Ozziras who command the escort-sized craft are just one example of this. The workers' versatility when it comes to learning new skills is also a vulnerability; it only takes a little bit of mutation for them to become "defective" and prioritize their own interests over the queen's.

Drones, on the other hand, were never meant to learn new skills or interests beyond childrearing and counseling the queen. I doubt a drone has ever commanded a spaceship, and I doubt one has ever wanted to. I don't think defective drones are a thing (or if they are, its extremely rare).
 
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lbmaian said:
Oh forgot about that. Yeah Caldonians would take the record of first contact to affiliation in a single quarter. That achievement got overshadowed by the Biophage crisis though :/
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It wasn't just the Caldonians, the Gaeni and Risa also became affiliates during the first contact event, and the Amarki became affiliates as omake reward shortly after the captain's log, so arguably also in the same quarter, or even as part of the first contact event considering that that's what the omake elaborated on.
 
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Again, extend Neutral Zone corewards, feed Licori to Romulus, let them be their problem.
 
I don't know if Oneiros is doing this on purpose, but:

In Deep Space Nine and Voyager, the Cardassians are shown to be exceptionally skilled at body-modification, to the point where they can fool anything short of an intensive medical scan. In TBG, it turns out that they conquered the Lecarre half a century earlier.

In Generations, the Romulans were experimenting with a technology that can induce supernovae. In TBG, it turns out that the Licori are very likely to fall into the Romulan sphere of influence sometime within 30-50 years before Generations.

Again, not sure if this is deliberate on the QM's part. But I like it.
 
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I think we need to send a ship to the Ked Paddah to find out what their side of the story is before we do anything else about that particular situation. I agree with MTB about that situation. We need more information about that situation. And all of the Stuff we just got from the Latest Captains log is going to be great and a big factor in the next Snackpit session. And I also think we need to start covertly seeking out the Cardassian affiliates and seeing if we can pry some of them loose from the Cardassian orbit.
 
Joshrand1982 said:
I think we need to send a ship to the Ked Paddah to find out what their side of the story is before we do anything else about that particular situation. I agree with MTB about that situation. We need more information about that situation. And all of the Stuff we just got from the Latest Captains log is going to be great and a big factor in the next Snackpit session. And I also think we need to start covertly seeking out the Cardassian affiliates and seeing if we can pry some of them loose from the Cardassian orbit.
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That request should come from the diplomatic service. Because we have a race that declared war because of scientific experiments, and another race that restricted their chief scientists as result. It screams for someone to take a closer look - either we have an expansionistic race or someone who may blow up subspace for science or 'only' an out-of-proportion bloodshet.
 
Leila Hann said:
The traditional role of a drone is to tend the children and counsel the queen. They might have higher "social status" than a worker, but they appear in fewer roles.

Workers have the ability to command each other, and have probably done so since ancient times when the apiata first developed agricultural societies that required an inter-worker hierarchy. The modern Ozziras who command the escort-sized craft are just one example of this. The workers' versatility when it comes to learning new skills is also a vulnerability; it only takes a little bit of mutation for them to become "defective" and prioritize their own interests over the queen's.

Drones, on the other hand, were never meant to learn new skills or interests beyond childrearing and counseling the queen. I doubt a drone has ever commanded a spaceship, and I doubt one has ever wanted to. I don't think defective drones are a thing (or if they are, its extremely rare).
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I'd hesitate to say "not a thing," because I suspect there are biological edge cases (e.g. drones whose brain develops along worker or queen lines due to hormonal or sex selection hiccups). But given that Apiata society seems to be rather inflexible and structured along 'biology is destiny' lines, I wouldn't be surprised if there are few or no cases of a drone commanding a starship.

Joshrand1982 said:
I think we need to send a ship to the Ked Paddah to find out what their side of the story is before we do anything else about that particular situation.
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Yeah. As I said, it seems like our ambassador to the Licori is telling us a story of the war that almost has to be dominated by the Licori. Suuuure they've been reining in their mentats. Suuuure they didn't hurt the Ked Paddah in any way prior to the war.

I mean, if it was the Gaeni telling us this story, we'd strongly suspect that the Gaeni screwed up somehow and are trying to conceal it, precisely because the Gaeni have a history of being sneaky with us in an attempt to win advantages from us. AND a history of reckless experimentation. The Licori seem to be very similar to the Gaeni in this respect, so I wouldn't assume they're being fully honest.

NOTE: I think the Licori are being sincere, in that they genuinely have no intention of blowing up the sector, don't think they did anything wrong, and don't understand why the Ked Paddah are angry. However, the Gaeni (who are apparently more moderate than the Licori) already have this 'wounded innocence' and 'doth protest too much' thing going, and a tendency to slide into self-justification when they get in trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if we're getting a similar result from the Licori, wherein they rationalize that whatever reckless thing they were doing isn't actually wrong and that anyone who tells them to stop is just a meanypants.
 
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