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Calypso's a Miranda you could flip? She's a regular Miranda, assigned to the GBZ... which strikes me as kinda risky with 1 Hull.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Oh hey, that's a great idea.
Edit: rather embarrassing case of tunnel vision there
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I kind of hope @OneirosTheWriter starts off the next post with the phrase, "Surprisingly the hottest debate is over the deployment of the T'Mir, with some fearing it's too valuable to risk in an active combat zone, others citing the need for its extensive experience spotting Cardassian ships, and still others advocating that Rigel sector is an under-explored frontier in need of the T'Mir's expert crew."
You know with the Calypso swapped for the T'Mir we could shuffle one of the Oberths to Rigel instead, @Briefvoice. And that way ameliorate some of your concerns about space weirdness.
[X] Plan Gabriel Warzone But T'Mir Included, Oberth In Rigel
Planned Ship Changes
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Differences from @Briefvoice's plan, highlighted in Red on the plan:
Planned Ship Changes
- T'Mir (Oberth) comes back from overdue refit in 2313Q2 +1D
- 2 Miranda-As (Shield and Fidelity) come back from refit in 2313.Q2 +4D
- 2 Mirandas (Bon Vivant and T'Kumbra) go out for refit in 2313.Q2 -4D
- Gabriel Border Zone to be created 2313.Q1 – No fixed requirement but there will be fighting there.
- Estimate garrison of Apinae Sector in 2313.Q2 – Estimated 12 Defense (If lower, move ship to GBZ)
- Current – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Hood], 2 Miranda (4) [Dryad, Bon Vivant] (4), 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3), 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase 1 (5) = 18D
- New Q1 2313 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Hood], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], 2 Miranda (4) [Dryad, Bon Vivant], 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3), Starbase 1 (5) = 20D
- New Q2 2313 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Hood], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], 1 Miranda (2) [Dryad], 1 Constellation [Selaya] (3), Starbase 1 (5) = 18D
- Notes: Get Zephyr from SBZ and send Suvek to Rigel in 2313.Q1. Send Bon Vivant to refit in 2313.Q2.
- Current – 1 Constellation [Sappho] (3), 2 Mirandas (4) [T'Kumbra, Thunderhead], Starbase I (5) = 12D
- New Q1 2313 – No change.
- New Q2 2313 – 2 Constellations (6) [Sappho, Vigour], 1 Oberth (1) [Torbriel], Starbase I (5) = 12D
- Notes: T'Kumbra sent to refit in 2313.Q2 and Thunderhead to Apinae Sector. Vigour brought in from CBZ and Torbriel brought in from anti-Syndicate Task Force.
- Current - 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Lightning], Starbase I (5) = 11D
- New Q1 2313 - 1 Constellation (3) [Docana], 1 Miranda (2) [Calypso], Starbase I (5) = 10D
- New Q2 2313 - No change.
- Notes: Get Calypso from SBZ, send Lightning to Amarkia Sector.
- Current – 1 Constellation (3) [Stalwart], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Bull], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
- New Q1 2313 – No change.
- New Q2 2313 – No change.
- Notes: No change.
- Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Salnas], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Blizzard], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 19D
- New Q1 2313 - 2 Centaur-A (6) [Blizzard, Lightning], Starbase I (5), Extra Outposts (5) = 16D
- New Q2 2313 - No change.
- Notes: Salnas send to GBZ; Lightning brought in from Andor.
- Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Avandar], 1 Constitution-A (5) [Cheron], Starbase I (5) = 16D
- New Q1 2313 - No change.
- New Q2 2313 - No change.
- Notes: No change.
- Current – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Republic], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], 1 Starbase I (5) = 13D
- New Q1 2313 – 1 Centaur-A (3) [Gale], 1 Oberth [Suvek] (1), Starbase I (5) = 9D
- Notes: Republic sent to Apinae Sector and posting Suvek from Sol in Q1
- Current – Starbase I (5) [Grand Hive of Apinae], Extra Outposts (5)
- New Q2 2313 - 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 1 Miranda (2) [Thunderhead], Starbase I (5) [Grand Hive of Apinae], Extra Outposts [5] = 15D
- Notes: Bringing in Challorn in from GBZ, with the Thunderhead coming from Vulcan.
- Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Excelsior], 1 Miranda (2) [Svai], Oberth [Hawking] (1), Starbase I (5) = 14D
- New Q1 2313 - No change.
- New Q2 2313 - No change.
- Notes: No change.
- Current - 1 Excelsior (6) [Thirishar], 1 Miranda (2) [Intrepid], 1 Oberth (1) [Inspire] = D9.
- New Q1 2313 – No change.
- New Q2 2313 – No change.
- Notes: No change.
- Current – 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 1 Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], 2 Constellations (6) [Challorn, Vigour], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 25D
- New Q1 2313 – 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 1 Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], 1 Constellation (3) [Vigour], Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 19D
- New Q2 2313 - 1 Excelsior (6) [Kumari), 1 Constitution-B (5) [Valiant], Starbase I (5) [Lapycorias] = 16D
- Notes: Send the Challorn and the Winterwind to the Gabriel Border Zone in 2313.Q1. Send the Vigour to garrison Vulcan sector in 2313.Q2, and get the Fidelity when it comes back from refit in 2313.Q2.
- Current – 1 Excelsior [Endurance] (6), 1 Constitution-B (5) [Defiant], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Zephyr], 2 Mirandas (4) [Eketha, Calypso], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 23D
- New Q1 2313 – 1 Constitution-B (5) [Defiant], 1 Miranda (2) [Eketha], Starbase I (5) [Vega] = 12D
- New Q2 2313 – No change.
- Notes: Move Zephyr to Sol, Endurance to the GBZ, and the Calypso to Andor in in 2313.Q1.
- Current – Nothing
- New Q1 2313 - 2 Excelsiors (12) [Salnas, Endurance], 3 Constitution-B (15) [Korolev, Saratoga, Republic], 1 Constellation (3) [Challorn], 1 Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], = 33D
- New Q2 2313 – 2 Excelsior (12) [Salnas, Endurance], 3 Constitution-B (15) [Korolev, Saratoga, Republic], Centaur-A (3) [Winterwind], 2 Miranda-A (4) [Shield, Fidelity], 1 Oberth [T'Mir] = 35D
- Notes: Salnas from Amarkia Sector, Endurance from SBZ, Korolev and Saratoga from unassigned pool, and Challorn sent from the Cardassian Border Zone. In 2313.Q1 bring Republic in from Rigel sector. In 2313.Q2 send Challorn to new Apinae Sector, and bring Shield and Fidelity and T'Mir in from refit.
- Current – 1 Constitution-B [Lexington], 1 Constellation [Kearsage], 1 Centaur-A [Yukikaze], 1 Oberth [Torbriel]
- New Q1 2313 – No change.
- New Q2 2313 – 1 Constitution-B [Lexington], 1 Constellation [Kearsage], 1 Centaur-A [Yukikaze]
- Notes: In Q2 2312 send the Torbriel to Vulcan Sector.
Revised and updated!
Differences from @Briefvoice's plan, highlighted in Red on the plan:
- Republic is sent to the GBZ much faster
- T'Mir is in the GBZ starting Q2
- Calypso [Miranda] replaces Suvek [Oberth] in Andor.
- Suvek is assigned to Rigel in place of the T'Mir.
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[X] Plan Gabriel Warzone But T'Mir Included, Oberth In Rigel
I'm really not sure why with two Excelsiors and their Science 6 each, the GBZ needs the T'Mir. I'm prefer to put high science ships in sectors that have no high science ships as much as possible. Doesn't Andor need an Oberth too?
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If they weren't at the brink of a war with the Romulans, it should be pretty easy to convince a Great House or three to come over and hunt a few Cardassians.
Conclusion:MOAR ORBERTHS!!!!!1one
[X] Plan Gabriel Warzone
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We still have events in all sectors and having good science ships increase the chance of finding resources and resource colonies
I really don't see the need for keeping one of our best ships twiddling its thumbs out in Rigel 'just because'. The Rigellians have a home fleet, if a space amoeba comes through it can be detected by the other Oberth and eliminated.
Here's sort of the 'hard' reasons for going with the T'Mir
- Strictly speaking, it is entirely superior to and more survivable than the Calypso, although admittedly less replaceable.
- While we have an abundance of high-sci ships, the T'Mir could focus on mapping and locating anomalies and resources while still being survivable, keeping our Excelsior and Connie-B's focused on saying 'fuck off'. Indeed, it could be very useful in a smaller task group of the Mirandas and Winterwind. IOW: we have more flexibility.
- EDIT: also, we can move another Connie-B to the GBZ a quarter earlier, which could be critical in a land-grab.
- I suspect in the gold rush going on in Gabriel it's best to have as many hi-sci ships as possible to respond to a lot of events and surveys.
- I don't know if this is definitively stated anywhere but I would assume there's more stuff/events to be found on the edge of Rigellian space than in relatively well-explored Andorian territory, which ties into the above bullet point.
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[X] Plan Gabriel Warzone But T'Mir Included, Oberth In Rigel
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Except the way sector events work we want to maximize the number of sectors with a high presence ship and a high science ship to respond and pass the event checks which in turn give us resources including colonies, pp (very much needed), and rp. Skimping on sectors hamstrings us
This is a drawback, but I assume there's juicy things to be had in the GBZ. Do we know 100% that sectors are treated equally in terms of potential rewards? Because it would make sense Andor is 'mined out' so to speak.
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The T'Mir is far more likely to end up doing nothing useful in the GBZ, due to the multiple Excelsiors being placed there and the high number of ships in general. Usually she will end up being a secondary responder to science events that would have been succeeded on anyway, with the +7 instead of a +3 or +5 not making any difference.
The Rigellians dealing with it wouldn't earn us any rp though, and the T'Mir is much more suited to being the sole Starfleet responder to an event than a normal Oberth.
She is inferior in the likely most important stat for skirmishing, defense, (which seems to be important both for successfully intercepting their ships in favorable circumstances and avoiding/escaping them in unfavorable ones) and too valuable to leave behind, so she could end up actually being a liability. Even assuming that wasn't a problem using her for skirmishing as a slightly better Miranda would be extremely wasteful.
The event system so far doesn't work that way, and while we were told we will be able to set engagement rules per ship role eventually that was universally, not per sector. Even if it was per sector that would still require setting the rule that the other ships in the sector do not respond to science events in general, whether the T'Mir actually can make it to the event or not. And with the current plan there are enough ships in the sector that too many ships being tied up with an other event would not be a serious issue there (that has only happened one time that we know of anywhere throughout the game). So such a policy would end up making the sector far worse at responding to science event than not having the T'Mir there, without much in the way of advantages.
This is a direct contradiction to the point above. And while that would help somewhat with claiming mining colonies and the like (though less than spreading out science capability would, and due to supply route issues mining colonies in the GBZ are significantly less valuable than in core sectors) the deciding factor on whether we can make good of our claim is almost certainly how successful we are in skirmishes (i. e. which is able to sustain their losses longer). A slow ship that is too valuable to lose is an active liability there.
All sectors have science events on the event table, and how much difference a particular ship makes regarding them depends much more on what other ships are available than the exact event rate (which seems to vary by something on the order of 50% between high and low rate sectors).
That would be far more likely if she was placed in the RBZ, KBZ or CBZ. The special characteristic of the Gabriel Expanse is that it's empty, so there are no installations to do SIGINT against. At least for now, if the we see the Cardassians start to build outposts that we want to spy on we can revise deployments.
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Different sectors have different event tables, but we've had mineral extraction rewards in all sectors. Why, I remember once where we found some SR in Sol system itself.
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If I recall correctly there are two tables, one for border sectors and one for home sectors with a roll on the appropriate table to determine the event type
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On that matter though, there have been instances where a mining spot located in a home sector has been claimed by the Member world government, rather than being made available to Starfleet. So there are some advantages to finding minerals on the frontier vs. at home. The downside of course is that frontier mines stretch our supply lines and are more vulnerable to attack.
Jenny
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I'd be happier with IronWolf's plan if he had T'Mir in the CBZ or Apinae, rather than right there in the GBZ.
Derp.
Still, I'm not sure I like the idea of T'Mir in the GBZ.
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From the front page.
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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The front page? T'Mir is on there listed as a Veteran ship. Along with Cheron, she's one of the two non EC ships to have had enough events to reach Veteran skill. T'Mir has the C of a Miranda or Centaur, the S of a Blooded Excelsior, and the H and L of a Connie Bee. She's a tough little ship.
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That only happened once, and I'm pretty sure it was just flavor text for an event roll that happened not to allow for a new mining colony, like most mapping mission results.