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[X] Plan Gabriel Warzone Except put T'Mir in the GBZ and send the Calypso to Rigel in Q2.
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[X] Plan Gabriel Warzone
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D12 req, but yes, gain +5 for Apinae Starbase, +5 for Outposts.
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I'm fine with this, not convinced we need the T'Mir in the GBZ.
I'm fine with this, not convinced we need the T'Mir in the GBZ.
@Briefvoice in light of outposts, maybe use the Challorn to anchor the Apinae sector and shift the Connie there to GBZ. The Challorn is their equal at P and S, and we keep our 2 ship force rather than reducing to 1. e: Or better yet, shift in the Winterwind instead of the Challorn. Again, exact same stats.
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Taking an irreplacable D1 ship into open skirmishing is just a terrible idea all round. Being accompanied by other ships actually makes it worse: In any situation where the group would normally want to retreat we'd face the choice of either risking the T'Mir being left behind, or risking losing the entire group. In the biophage crisis it made sense to take an Oberth into combat, because retreat usually wasn't really an option anyway and we really needed all possible help with detecting cloaked shuttles. Neither would be the case in GBZ skirmishes. Not only do we have little reason to think the Cardassians have any cloaked ships at the moment, even if they did it would be extremely foolish of them to use them during skirmishes rather than keeping them as a surprise for a later war.
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Attention voters. In light of this new information, I have made the following change, sending the Challorn to the Apinae and using the Republic in the GBZ.
Please be aware in case for some reason you have an issue with this and wish to change your votes.
...great minds think alike! Was making the edits as you typed your response. I like to leave a sector with a cruiser when I can, as they get that extra boost to response, so I went with the Challorn.
We've seen that single ship sectors tend to be a bad idea. If one ships gets in trouble, a second ship can mount a rescue if it's close enough.
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Adjusted the supercap sizes as per you guys' feedback. You might be surprised to see what the biggest ship in known space now appears to be.
Lol, just kidding.
@IronWolf I shrunk the Seyek battleship a bit, but only a bit. As you said, their ships appear to have a lot of hollow space inside. I wonder if their tech is similar to Romulans'.
@IronWolf I shrunk the Seyek battleship a bit, but only a bit. As you said, their ships appear to have a lot of hollow space inside. I wonder if their tech is similar to Romulans'.
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I know it's not relevant but I get a real kick out of the maximum ~effort~ that went into the Galaxy mockup's nacelles, @Leila Hann.
Quick Q -- those little 'notches' on the side of the Seyek Explorer -- and I noted there's similar structures on their other ships -- do you envision them as weapons projectors?
Quick Q -- those little 'notches' on the side of the Seyek Explorer -- and I noted there's similar structures on their other ships -- do you envision them as weapons projectors?
I'm guessing you mean a sub-2Mt explorer for 'replace the excelsior' and not the Ambasador class, no matter what size that might be?
I'm also still skeptical that the 1 year escorts will 'fly.' They don't seem to be simpler ships than the Mirandas, they aren't massively smaller, cheaper or less capable. I support building more escorts-I favore 2 escorts per Explorer and 1 per cruiser, but when I put myself in the QM shoes, I am extremely hesitant to approve those 'efficient escorts'.
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I know it's not relevant but I get a real kick out of the maximum ~effort~ that went into the Galaxy mockup's nacelles, @Leila Hann.
Quick Q -- those little 'notches' on the side of the Seyek Explorer -- and I noted there's similar structures on their other ships -- do you envision them as weapons projectors?
Mayyyybe? I based the seyek ships pretty heavily on the screencap you posted from Stellaris.
And yeah, the galaxy was extremely hasty.
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39 Combat in the Gabrielregion is fairly impressive. To put that into perspective some very recent calcs put the Cardassian navy, excluding any of their affiliates, at ~180 Combat. So to match the Federation's deployment the Cardassians would have to deploy a fifth of their fleet. Even assuming we've low-balled them a bit and the are closer to 200 Combat doesn't really change things.
Either way we are deploying the equivalent to 20% the Cardassians' fleet to protect our claim in the Gabriel region.
Either way we are deploying the equivalent to 20% the Cardassians' fleet to protect our claim in the Gabriel region.
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On the combat note - It's worth remember that the Cardassians basically don't do multirole ships, we run a lot of multiroles. Single-role escorts are best bang for buck, followed by single role cruisers. This is most of their combat force. If we start crash building Miranda-As we can very rapidly break ahead, because they're failing to match us while despite getting more bang for their buck.
It's kinda funny because the ship in that screencap is the unarmed science ship -- the actual battleships and such have turrets along the spine and are much blockier, as you can infer from the gallery and selected images below:
So basically the notches can be whatever, since everything past the initial patrol vessel is pretty divorced from Stellaris style. Given how when I made the Seyek in Stellaris the king of the game was mounting as many particle-based 'tacyhon lances' on your battleships as possible (see above example image), I can imagine they're the firing points for fuck-huge disruptor/phaser/tetryon beam cannons. Or where they fire photon torpedos.
Sidebar, you sort of managed to emulate the smoother lines of the avian set in Stellaris, which has actually become my favorite since I took that screenshot. So good unintentional work there.
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I agree with anon_user. If I recall correctly, the T'Mir gave us a lot of valuable SIGINT on the Cardassians. So why not post it in the CBZ and try the same again?
We could then also move the Valiant (Connie-B) from the CBZ to the GBZ, and maybe move a Miranda or Centaur from the GBZ to the CBZ. (We should keep some strength in the CBZ.)
This still leaves the Rigel sector understaffed. Maybe we could move the Inspire (Oberth) from the KBZ. I don't like it much, but we would still have an Excelsior in the KBZ.
We could then also move the Valiant (Connie-B) from the CBZ to the GBZ, and maybe move a Miranda or Centaur from the GBZ to the CBZ. (We should keep some strength in the CBZ.)
This still leaves the Rigel sector understaffed. Maybe we could move the Inspire (Oberth) from the KBZ. I don't like it much, but we would still have an Excelsior in the KBZ.
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I still think we need to commit more to Gabriel (like ~50 combat) but as it is we just need more ships. Maybe.. Mirandas. It is effectively a war situation, after all. (But the Miranda-A, that +1 L +1 H could easily be decisive in massed Miranda combat.)
I agree with the sentiment on posting T'Mir to the CBZ.
I still think we need to commit more to Gabriel (like ~50 combat) but as it is we just need more ships. Maybe.. Mirandas. It is effectively a war situation, after all. (But the Miranda-A, that +1 L +1 H could easily be decisive in massed Miranda combat.)
I agree with the sentiment on posting T'Mir to the CBZ.