@Gravitas Hunt could you show us how the panelling would look on the ship or would that be too much work? I think I need an idea of what I'm commenting on. 
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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No, that's intentional. I figured that if rods and rings are both functional engine designs, then original designs like diagonal slabs or dispersed nodules should be legit.
If you feel like the nacelles NEED to be pointed in the same direction as the ship, you're free to imagine that the slanted nacelles adjust their position before activating a la Voyager.
Amusingly in my Stellaris game I had the superior firepower but not fleet until I upgraded all my starbases. But this is a quest, not my LP.
I should do more with the sneks and tentaclebirds but the Orion plot moves so fast!
I was digging the "king's peace" story. Would be happy to see it continue.
The backstory I gave with the seyek ships up above was due to the impressive Combat scores that their escorts and cruisers pack, according to Anon User's spreadsheet. It didn't seem to jive with your description of the Seyek as a not particularly violent race, so I decided to connect it with the Fiiral backstory.
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You could have them in a stairwell that can be sealed off on any deck. Might even be very useful when the power is down and you need to get to a deck above/below one with a hull breach.
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The panels should have each row rotated slightly, so they don't transfer stress directly from one join into another-basic engineering 101 there. Shingle those bad-boys a bit, if you get my drift?While I plan the next steps on the Renaissance hull, I've been working on some other parts. Here's a very rough and low-res render of a phaser shot. The beams are actually parallel; it's the perspective that makes them look divergent.
Also, what do people think about the panelling I posted a little while back? It kind of got lost in the storm of the last debate, so I've added it below the spoiler:
As I said earlier, I'm not sure the panels have quite has the right aesthetic, but that may be more this specific implementation than the idea itself.
Speaking of Anon User's sheet, here are the non-affiliate races whose fleet size and ships we have absolutely no clue about:
- Gretarians (but I feel safe in saying their fleet is small and unarmed)
- Ked Paddah
- Licori
- Sotaw
- Yrillians
- Bajorans
- Dawiar
- Dylaarian
- Lecarrens
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The problems with a moving sidewalk are mechanical complexity and space requirements. The sidewalk has to be a single continuous unit; you can't slam a blast door across it to stop air from escaping during a breach. So the moving sidewalk is only useful if you have open corridors hundreds of feet long running along the hull, which are structural vulnerabilities.
By contrast, with Star Trek technology (no need for cables) an open elevator shaft can be blocked at any point that isn't jammed open by the elevator car itself.
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I'm not so sure about the Yrillians - all we know about their fleet is that it can't stand up to the Sydraxians, but what more do we need? They won't enter the war on the Cardassian's side - we're much scarier than the Sydraxians, in military terms - and in the extremely unlikely event of them taking our side, would it affect our planning to know their exact fleet strength beyond "unimpressive"?
To my mind, the Dawiar or the Lecarre (especially the Lecarre, given their -30 standing with us) are much better choices to take a look at.
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The thing about the Yrillians is that they're so divided that "the Yrillians" may have a LOT of ships, even though only a handful of them are actually interested in fighting for either side in the Federation-Cardassian conflict. Plus, some Yrillians are willing to engage in piracy and it wouldn't be much of a stretch to imagine them becoming straight-up mercenaries.
It's like asking how many fighter aircraft "the Asians" have. How many is that? Well gee, it depends. Are you talking about one particular country within Asia? Or all of them put together?
For tactical purposes "how many fighter jets are there in Asia" isn't a relevant question. But it's still an interesting question to ask "what is the distribution of military hardware in Asia? Which countries have the most? The least? The best? The worst?"
It's like asking how many fighter aircraft "the Asians" have. How many is that? Well gee, it depends. Are you talking about one particular country within Asia? Or all of them put together?
For tactical purposes "how many fighter jets are there in Asia" isn't a relevant question. But it's still an interesting question to ask "what is the distribution of military hardware in Asia? Which countries have the most? The least? The best? The worst?"
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According to the latest intel, the Gretarians have begun arming their ships. Not heavily, but still.
Our research into the Licori/Ked-Paddah war suggests that the latter have a large and conventionally powerful fleet (at least by minor power standards), while the former rely on "special, high energy systems" to even the odds. No idea what those special systems might be, or how Oneiros' combat system would handle them, but its safe to assume that they can make Science checks in place of Combat ones in at least some circumstances.
If my Sotaw omake gets canonized, they'll be sort of an interesting exception to the usual power metrics much like the Kadeshi. Mass-produced fighters give them a very high total fleet Combat score, but those fighters are unshielded and lack warp engines, so their fleet is brittle and has very limited force projection (I'm assuming each mothership can only carry a couple of acolytes at a time during warp travel, and that it takes a little while to build more upon arrival). The Kuun-Lan, if canonized, would be a special ace in the hold with its precursor death cannon.
Yrillians...assuming everything that's been posted about them by myself and Briefvoice is canon, they could be scary. The government has a small fleet of powerful heavy cruisers, but the real kicker is the sheer number of escorts and armed freighters floating around in private hands. If the Yrillians ever unite against a common enemy, I'd expect their total fleet strength to be Apiata-ish. Pray the Cardassians never manage this.
Bajorans are probably not too impressive. Weak ships, and not many of them.
Dawiar are known to have progressed significantly since our first contact with them, due in large part to Cardassian aid. I expect that their shakakouns have all been refitted with shields by now, and that they've built many more of them. The Dawiar could surprise us.
We know literally nothing about Dylaarian fleet assets. The ship that we encountered was noted to be no match for an Excelsior, but we don't know if that ship was their biggest baddest battlecruiser or some outdated light escort.
The Lecarre have avoided letting us learn much about their ships, and I don't expect that to change. They might be overconfident idiots, but even an overconfident idiot would realize that you need more than just spies to keep yourself safe from the kind of enemies they've made. Since their overall tech level is fairly low, I suspect that - like the Dawiar - they will have invested in a swarm of individually weak escorts to serve as a last line of defense.
Honiani are a technological peer of ours, and they have at least one explorer. Something tells me their fleet strength and doctrine are similar to the Amarki, but that's just an educated guess.
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I listed the three that seem to be active players in trouble spots for us.
You may be making unwarranted assumptions about the Yrillians. They are partners with the Sydraxians, not a Sydraxian client state like the Gretarians are. We have no idea whether or not they could take the Sydraxians in a fight, though at the least they don't outclass the Sydraxians by enough to be cavalier about offending them. What should particularly worry you is that their canon species description specifically mentions starship building, saying their tech is "Fed-Level (but used for cheap ships instead of powerful ships)".
That may be a slight exaggeration. Per our most recent log entries when we sent the diplomatic mission, their government is weak domestically but does have foreign policy powers that allow them to bind all the Yrillians to alliances and such. Presumably if they declared war on the Federation it would mean something to Yrillians as a whole.
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Well yes, but even so, asking "how many ships does the Yrillian govenrment have?" is likely to be sort of like asking "how many divisions has the Pope..." in 1650-era Europe.
The answer is "quite a few, if he asks for them nicely and it seems important, but a lot of them aren't actually his and it's all very complicated and some of them may not come when he calls so uuuhhh..."
In short, an informative analysis of the Yrillian fleet would almost have to double as an informative analysis of Yrillian politics, from the way they're being portrayed so far.
The answer is "quite a few, if he asks for them nicely and it seems important, but a lot of them aren't actually his and it's all very complicated and some of them may not come when he calls so uuuhhh..."
In short, an informative analysis of the Yrillian fleet would almost have to double as an informative analysis of Yrillian politics, from the way they're being portrayed so far.
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Whoops, I got the Yrillians mixed up with the Gretarians - you're right, they're a valid choice for an intel report.
Sort of like a mini-Federation, I guess. Theoretically powerful because of all the Member Fleets, but if you want them to actually show up when you call that State of Emergency they better believe the SOE is justified.
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Perhaps, but I think we can assume if someone tries to campaign across Yrillian space then they would get at least 80% of their fleet in response. Having absolute numbers would be useful even if we don't know exactly what'll show up. Plan for capabilities, not intentions.
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I'll see what I can do tomorrow.@Gravitas Hunt could you show us how the panelling would look on the ship or would that be too much work? I think I need an idea of what I'm commenting on.
Well... NX, Constitution Refit, Excelsior, Ambassador.
Seems to be a Starfleet tradition!
Edit: the grooves may also be a little oversized... I guessed at about 10cm in each dimension.
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Speaking of other races, in all the excitement I didn't notice this in the 2312.Q4 Captain's Log.
+25 relationship with the Dawiar takes us from 76/100 to 101/100.... affiliate-level relations. Now obviously that's obstructed due to their status as Cardassian affiliates, but we really do have pretty good relations with them right now. At the very least lines of communications are open if war breaks out.
+25 relationship with the Dawiar takes us from 76/100 to 101/100.... affiliate-level relations. Now obviously that's obstructed due to their status as Cardassian affiliates, but we really do have pretty good relations with them right now. At the very least lines of communications are open if war breaks out.
Unfortunately the set-up to that got torpedo'd by the while Bajor thing. I was planning a followup but wrote about Legate Dukat instead.
That would make sense to me. Pragmatic is the word I like to use to describe the Seyek, so it follows they'd learn from the Fiiral's weapons tech, and then make sure their explorers walked softly but were more than capable of self defense.
Especially once they'd met the Cardassians.
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Good catch that will make things interesting for sure
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Yeah. If this blows up, it gives us an excellent chance of persuading the Dawiar to sit this one out.
Since it's not exactly much of a concession to tell them we'll respect their neutrality and protect them from the Cardies, what with them being buried two layers of anti-Cardassian species away from the front line.
Since it's not exactly much of a concession to tell them we'll respect their neutrality and protect them from the Cardies, what with them being buried two layers of anti-Cardassian species away from the front line.
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Okay, given I don't want to write the next week straight away, and you're still coasting on the decisions made in the previous vote, here's a choice of next post:
Another Miracle of Ship Birth post
A detailed post on a fleet, like the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy post
Politics post
Something else?
Another Miracle of Ship Birth post
A detailed post on a fleet, like the Confederacy of Amarkia Navy post
Politics post
Something else?
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Either Miracle of Ship Berth or Politics.
The first we haven't had for a while.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Something on, say, the Indorions (anything about them, really) would be nice. On the other hand, it would also be pretty cool to get another Miracle of Berth post.
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Politics sounds relevant.