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I have updated with the latest construction and Qolathi are on there though I do not have their ships. Next quarter one of the Earth Mirandas will finish refit. Andor has 5 Mirandas all in service currently, Earth has 1 in service, 2 undergoing refits and 2 that just finished refits. Tellar has 1 in service, 4 undergoing refits and 1 that finished refits and Vulcan has 3 in service 1 under refit and 1 finished refit. Vulcan has 2 Soyuz, Tellar has 1 and Andor has 1.

Also Qolathi are awesome, they have 2 explorers (one which we worked with on an exploration mission in one of the logs) and they have a prototype for a new explorer class finishing in 2318. Overall they have 7 escorts, 4 of which are modern and 2 modern heavy under construction, 2 cruisers and 2 explorers with a prototype explorer under construction. Neat. At this point only the Honiani and Seyek fleet numbers are unknown for our affiliates.

@OneirosTheWriter if you have the ship stats for the Qolathi can you send those to me so I can add them to the spreadsheet?
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
So if we say in 2312 that we want to replace the Oberth, but we don't plan on starting the prototype until 2317 or even 2320, then we should vote for no change now?
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You'll want to at least purchase the start of the research project.

My idea is that the ship design projects on offer will become tied to the roles. You can't request a ship you don't have a role for.

Enforces a little discipline on people, in a way :p
 
[X] A large science escort to phase out Oberths

We are the Federation, it is our job to science the bleep out of everything.

How else do we know what exotic particles to tune our deflector dishes for?
 
Well, IIRC we already have all the pieces we need for an excellent science escort that's roughly halfway to an Interpid, so my thinking is we next Snakepit we pull the trigger on the Ambassador, then start that research while also grabbing any low hanging fruit in any science mudle or escort catagories for a couple years, then pull the trigger on the Kepler.
 
tryrar said:
Well, IIRC we already have all the pieces we need for an excellent science escort that's roughly halfway to an Interpid, so my thinking is we next Snakepit we pull the trigger on the Ambassador, then start that research while also grabbing any low hanging fruit in any science mudle or escort catagories for a couple years, then pull the trigger on the Kepler.
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The low hanging fruit we need won't be done until 2317 at earliest, likely 2320.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
The same reason you don't want to declare a need for a ship you clearly want - politics!
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Oneiros, I'd really appreciate it if we could get a definite answer to this because it affects a lot of people's decisions.

If we vote "new science vessel," then start the Ambassador projectin 2313, as we've intended to do all along for months of OOC time now...

With the full intention of starting the Kepler project at a later but still near-term date...

Will we get in trouble for not having started the Kepler prototype before the Ambassador?

Is that what you have in mind? I wouldn't expect that. Because numerous people have been talking about and planning towards starting research on the Ambassadors in 2313 or very soon afterwards, for several hundred pages, and we never heard anything along the lines of "the Council might disapprove of you requesting a new explorer to replace your existing 2285-vintage design, after being totally okay with you replacing a 2285-vintage cruiser."

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
So if we say in 2312 that we want to replace the Oberth, but we don't plan on starting the prototype until 2317 or even 2320, then we should vote for no change now?
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That's an extremely good question.

Night said:
So basically, once we've prototyped Rennie, we need to prototype Kepler.
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I think it would be unfair to penalize us for prototyping Ambassador as soon as possible, since the voting base of the quest has made specific decisions based on our desire to do that.

However, there is a strong general consensus in favor of "Ambassador, then Kepler."

It should be noted that of the four general categories of ship identified by Sulu's analysis, we HAVE ships that fill all of them. It's reasonable for us to talk about developing a better ship that does more than just fill the minimum requirements in each category. For example, the Excelsiors already meet the requirement listed for heavy explorers: "Must have 5+ Science, Presence, 4+ Combat..." They just don't exceed that requirement significantly, because their Science and Presence scores are exactly five.

The Centaur-A and Miranda-A meet the minimum criteria for garrison and combat escorts, respectively... just not by very much, because the Centaur-A statline is "all 3s except Hull" and the Miranda statline is "Combat and Shields 3, everything else 2 or less."

The "garrison cruiser" requirement is the only one we arguably do more than minimally satisfy, with the Rennie's statline (average stat of 4.33 instead of 4, Defense 5 instead of 4). Not coincidentally, it is also our only truly new design of the 24th century to date.

Saying "there is a category of specialist ship where we don't have a design that meets our needs" does not, or should not, preclude us from saying "also, in a category where our existing ships barely meet our needs, it would be desirable to design one that is more 'future-proof' and which exceeds those needs."
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
The same reason you don't want to declare a need for a ship you clearly want - politics!
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Um... that's not really what I'm asking.

We're probably going to declare a need for an Oberth replacement here. Is the Council going to give us shit for declaring the need in 2312 when the parts we need for an Oberth replacement (and therefore the research project) won't be available until 2317 or 2320?
 
Since we have a massive question mark regarding an important aspect of the rules regarding this new mechanic, and it may cause unforeseen bad consequences if we vote for a new ship class we're not IMMEDIATELY prepared to ask for...

[X] Suggest something else- NO CHANGE

I'll happily edit my vote back if it turns out that it's safe to do so. And that this won't blow up in our faces if we simply proceed with our existing plan that we've been talking about for months without anyone hinting at any negative consequences for doing so.
 
@OneirosTheWriter the Constellation(-A) doesn't fit any of the existing roles. Would "a Garrison Cruiser to cheaply anchor home sectors" be something it can fill, and therefore justify continued service? The Oberth class doesn't seem to currently fulfill any role either.
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
Vice Admiral Hikaru Sulu is your man in Tactical. A number of good people work here - it is Rear Admiral Uhura's normal posting. Michel Thuir joined it as Ops Officer for Field Command. John Harriman heads up the Theory Command, and one of the distinguished tactical officers of the Enterprise, Jennifer Zhang, serves under the Battle Review Division.
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Ex-Enterprise, ex-Enterprise, THUIR, ex-Enterprise, ex-Enterprise.
 
[X] A high-presence courier escort

Outside of the Excelsiors, our ships' Presence is crap. We need a cheapish P5 escort for the home sectors, something like a "presence Oberth".
 
Is there a reason we can't start the research project for the Kepler within the next few years? I thought we already had all the parts we needed to make a great Science ship, and there is no limitation about rsearching two ships at once.

Why not be researching the Ambassador and the Kepler at the same time and building the prototypes at the same time?

NullVoid said:
[X] A high-presence courier escort

Outside of the Excelsiors, our ships' Presence is crap. We need a cheapish P5 escort for the home sectors, something like a "presence Oberth".
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I don't know. Science events happen every, but Presence Events are a little rarer and rarely happen in home sectors with no non-Federation borders and no affilaites inside them. (Vulcan and Andor and Tellar basically,)
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
oh for the love of Nash's little black book, dice, what have you done, oh god
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How many stars went up, and who are we at war with?

:V

On subject of ships...despite me liking spess sheeps, I'm not sure what to vote for. While I understand the need to replace useless death traps Oberths, we're also on the dawn of war with Cardassia. I'd honestly want some sort of mid-range cruiser that could be used as ship-of-the-line, and in peace time can moonlight as extended patrol vessel, freeing our heavier ships for more important things Mirandas don't count, they're terri-NO I'M NOT BIASED AGAINST THEM

Unless "improved science escort" has good combat value, I find it a little misplaced investment, at this particular time at least.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Um... that's not really what I'm asking.

We're probably going to declare a need for an Oberth replacement here. Is the Council going to give us shit for declaring the need in 2312 when the parts we need for an Oberth replacement (and therefore the research project) won't be available until 2317 or 2320?
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Yes - you'd want to be requesting the research project within the next four years, before the following Starfleet Tactical turn.

Nix said:
@OneirosTheWriter the Constellation(-A) doesn't fit any of the existing roles. Would "a Garrison Cruiser to cheaply anchor home sectors" be something it can fill, and therefore justify continued service? The Oberth class doesn't seem to currently fulfill any role either.
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Oberths are special, Constellations are, well, Constellations, underpowered for what you really need in a cruiser.

Alastor Mobius Toth said:
How many stars went up, and who are we at war with?
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Well, don't jump to conclusions just yet, I need to give these results proper thought and make sure I'm happy with the chain of cause-and-effect here.
 
Void Stalker said:
This will be either terrifying or funny or both. Things to come this quarter: M3 of captains logs and master of Orion, Well they Try (intel briefing, though we already got the MWCO report that normally comes here) and Apiata-Starfleet war games.
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I don't think it'll involve the war games unless Oneiros took my joke idea of using physical dice instead of an RNG seriously :V
 
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