To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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miranda-a meets these requirements
and the centuar-a meets these
the rennie beats these reqs (avg 4.3) while being the minimum weight so we are solid here
and finally, the ambassador is next on the list and it crushes these expectations, while the excelsior meets them
so i would say we are good on the starfleet tactical needed roles
[X] Suggest something else- Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
@OneirosTheWriter would it be possible to get a ship classes page with the new klingon ships and the cardassian ships?
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- Canada
[X] Suggest something else- Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
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No, no, no, no, no.
We are not ready for the Kepler.
/end panic
Fortunately, a reasonable change exists:
[X] Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
We are not ready for the Kepler.
/end panic
Fortunately, a reasonable change exists:
[X] Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
AKuz
Been Better
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- A Rising Tide of Horrors
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For the Aerocommando:
General Valaya Deva. She was the Captain that pulled her women through the ambush at Vessia Transtellar all those years ago back at the beginning of the crisis and the pressures of the war have seen her rise rapidly through the ranks thanks to her valour, loyalty, and sheer talent.
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- Location: Location!
Rennaissances are fairly expensive, both in terms of cost and crew, as compared to an escort; Centaur-As are generalist designs which do equally well at everything except hull checks, but I don't think these come up at all outside of combat, but we should be able to get more presence for less cost if we have a specialist.
Yes, it does make sense, and I don't see why we have such a hard time building more Oberths. We should have at least one per sector, with two or three extra for moving around on missions. With the new combat engine, they won't even be sunk in three rounds anymore! Our main problem is that while pretty much everybody agrees that generalist designs are somewhat of a trap choice we're not willing to accept C,H, and L lower than three or so. This is wrong. We have yet to lose a single Oberth to either combat or negative space wedgies, and we could be much further along our science goal if we built them.
Now, aside from there not being any kind of presence goal, all of the above qualifies for the Presence Courier.
10yrs from O-3 to General stretches just a tad I think.
Then again, sto exists
AKuz
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Well, Eisenhower was a Lt-Col in '39 and so forth. She was a senior captain back then.
Also, this is an actual face war with her as an actual face war hero.
[] Mobile Logistic ship: A dedicate Starfleet Freighter, likely2.5-3mt (or bigger) in size. High speed and cargo capabilities, middling defense shields, and science, low combat. (big fast cargo ship)
[] A large science escort to phase out Oberths
-[](secret) with a variant developed during the design phase to serve as a dedicated Intelligence ship, with lower emissions and better long range sensors for a small overall science cost (-1 science, +stealth, +sensor range)
[X] Suggest something else- Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
[] A large science escort to phase out Oberths
-[](secret) with a variant developed during the design phase to serve as a dedicated Intelligence ship, with lower emissions and better long range sensors for a small overall science cost (-1 science, +stealth, +sensor range)
[X] Suggest something else- Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
AKuz
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ALSO:
Is anyone else nervous about Oneiros implying some incoming "fun".
I am nervous as fuck.
Probably just my PERFECTLY NORMAL Romulan Paranoia kicking in though. If this was the old days I'd be worried that Nash and Enterprise got accidentallied.
WAIT DID ENTERPRISE GET ACCIDENTALLIED?
*Does not sweat nervously*
Is anyone else nervous about Oneiros implying some incoming "fun".
I am nervous as fuck.
Probably just my PERFECTLY NORMAL Romulan Paranoia kicking in though. If this was the old days I'd be worried that Nash and Enterprise got accidentallied.
WAIT DID ENTERPRISE GET ACCIDENTALLIED?
*Does not sweat nervously*
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- somewhere
But... Celesipos was a Seyek outpost? Do the Qloathi have a colony in the same system?
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- Australia
You are correct - clearly, I was more tired than I thought last night...
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Renissance cost 100 BR and 80 SR, or about half of what an Excelsior does for a solid ship. Crew wise it is a cruiser so not cheap but not as much as an explorer. Centaur-A advantage is quicker build time and low crew cost but also 2 less combat, hull, shield and defense and 1 less presence (Rennie is a 4P ship)/
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- Actually pretty lost
[X] Suggest something else- Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
Alastor Mobius Toth
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I see. Sounds like I was more behind on ship news than I thought. Well, thank you for heads up.
In that event, might as well start laying ground works for getting the Ambassador out of the way quickly.
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Vote changed to:
[X] Suggest something else- Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
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I kinda want to tell people to chill and relax about the whole Role vote and hints of Shenanigans, but I'm not really feeling up to an impassioned defense of anything right now. There's no urgent need, but this isn't about urgent needs-this is about anticipating what we need and getting it ready.
I suspect that write-ins, even ones as innocuous as 'change this one a tiny widdle bit' may be a bit of a monkey's paw though.
I suspect that write-ins, even ones as innocuous as 'change this one a tiny widdle bit' may be a bit of a monkey's paw though.
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Or o-
Still, I don't think any of the top designs are using the Large ops frame. Large Engineering, but not large ops.
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We're being explicitly told that we may face negative political consequences if we propose a ship class we're not actually planning to start in the next four years.
That kind of narrows down our options, and incentivizes us to pick "NO new category" if we're not actually ready to start a new category right this minute.
The simple reality is that we're not likely to spend 27 berth-years turning out a whole new class of specialist escort that ONLY serves to make Presence checks. If we haven't already done so with Oberths (due to their high SR and tech costs), we're not going to suddenly start doing it with Presence escorts.
Thing is, we cannot realistically afford to build swarms of specialist escorts during this decade in addition to the cruiser and explorer programs we've already more or less committed to. It is far more believable that we will be doing so in the early 2320s... but the time to get ships we'll be building then will be in the 2316 and 2320 reviews, not the 2308 reviews.
We already have one, it's on the front page of the ship design thread. It isn't updated super-duper-often, but it does get updated.DarknessSmiles said:
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/starfleet-ship-design-bureau-to-boldly-go.33039/
The only problem is that if we pick anything other than "start new explorer," we get in trouble if we do that and don't do whatever we pick.
We deliberately treated escort research as a lower priority because we wanted better cruisers and explorers. Consequently, we may not really be ready to do good escort designs (including science vessels) until 2316. And we may get in trouble if we haven't started whatever we pick by that time.
This is why I'm voting "new explorer." But since I support SynchronizedWritersBlock's insight into the details of the new ship design rules, to be more specific...
[X] Suggest something else- Change the Heavy Explorer requirement to Medium OR Large Operations Frame.
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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I'm not really sure why the push for a Presence Escort. There's proposals for a Kepler with C2 S8 H2 L3 P5 D4 with O1/E2/T2 and a cost of 85BR/75SR. One of those in each sector would be excellent backup for an Excelsior flagship, since it will catch all the science rolls and is just as likely as the Excelsior to succeed at Presence (though it won't respond quite as well since it won't have the Lone Ranger +2 and has -2D). IT still responds just as well as a ConnieB and at par with a Rennie, just at a disadvantage due to Lone Ranger.
I would suggest SWB's vote for changing frame requirements instead.
I would suggest SWB's vote for changing frame requirements instead.
