- Location
- west
[X]Plan All In 120,000
[X] Plan Revenue and Customs
[x] Plan: Ordered Liberty
[X] Plan Feature Creep
[X] Plan Revenue and Customs
[x] Plan: Ordered Liberty
[X] Plan Feature Creep
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Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Ranger
slybrarian
Creature of Fable
- Location
- A Far and Sunless Land
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Ranger
2183: Project Protector (Spaceframe)
[X] 0: No Shuttlebay
[X] 1: Transporter (+10,000 Tons)
[X] 2: Cargo Bay (+10,000 Tons)
[X] 3: Brig (+10,000 Tons)
[X] 4: Tractor Beam (+10,000 Tons)
With the core systems decided, you evaluate your progress. Your design will mass the most out of all the entries at one hundred thousand tons, a hefty build that may be a mark against you during the procurement process. Losing the shuttlebay may potentially limit the ship's utility in less developed areas, but given the design is primarily focused around servicing the member worlds and major colonies where other vessels are likely to be available it represents something of an edge case for capability loss. The extra mass you save and not needing to plan for a shuttle hatch simplifies some parts of the design tremendously.
Now comes the matter of the hull. There are several configurations you could use, ranging from a saucer with a fully integrated deflector to a more traditional primary and secondary hull. Being constrained to one impulse engine limits you somewhat, excluding the possibility of an arrowhead, while the phasers demand a wide field of fire that makes a more cylindrical profile suboptimal.
The first option is the full saucer with an integrated inline deflector. This would allow you to make the main body of the ship quite large, leaving the nacelle to be attached to the primary hull by a standard strut. Or you could separate the deflector from the main body to a secondary hull, keeping the shape of the saucer more consistent and keeping the design more centrally balanced between the engineering section and nacelle. Finally you could use a half-saucer, opting for a larger secondary hull in exchange. It's an odd feeling, planning from an aesthetic rather than a functional point of view. Such a straightforward and simplified design lets you play around with form without compromising much in the way of function.
[ ] Full Saucer with Inline Deflector [Total Mass: 100,000 Tons]
[ ] Full Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 70,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 30,000)
[ ] Half-Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 50,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 50,000)
Two Hour Moratorium, Please
[X] 1: Transporter (+10,000 Tons)
[X] 2: Cargo Bay (+10,000 Tons)
[X] 3: Brig (+10,000 Tons)
[X] 4: Tractor Beam (+10,000 Tons)
With the core systems decided, you evaluate your progress. Your design will mass the most out of all the entries at one hundred thousand tons, a hefty build that may be a mark against you during the procurement process. Losing the shuttlebay may potentially limit the ship's utility in less developed areas, but given the design is primarily focused around servicing the member worlds and major colonies where other vessels are likely to be available it represents something of an edge case for capability loss. The extra mass you save and not needing to plan for a shuttle hatch simplifies some parts of the design tremendously.
Now comes the matter of the hull. There are several configurations you could use, ranging from a saucer with a fully integrated deflector to a more traditional primary and secondary hull. Being constrained to one impulse engine limits you somewhat, excluding the possibility of an arrowhead, while the phasers demand a wide field of fire that makes a more cylindrical profile suboptimal.
The first option is the full saucer with an integrated inline deflector. This would allow you to make the main body of the ship quite large, leaving the nacelle to be attached to the primary hull by a standard strut. Or you could separate the deflector from the main body to a secondary hull, keeping the shape of the saucer more consistent and keeping the design more centrally balanced between the engineering section and nacelle. Finally you could use a half-saucer, opting for a larger secondary hull in exchange. It's an odd feeling, planning from an aesthetic rather than a functional point of view. Such a straightforward and simplified design lets you play around with form without compromising much in the way of function.
[ ] Full Saucer with Inline Deflector [Total Mass: 100,000 Tons]
[ ] Full Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 70,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 30,000)
[ ] Half-Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 50,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 50,000)
Two Hour Moratorium, Please
Empress_Boog
Grand Empress
[ ] Half-Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 50,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 50,000)
I can't not vote for the Half-Saucer guys, I'm sorry. I'm not
I can't not vote for the Half-Saucer guys, I'm sorry.
It looks like all three options mass at 100K Tons, it is just a matter of how you split it. 100-0, 70-30, or 50-50.
Darik29
Verified Delicious
They are all the same mass. We are just choosing how it looks.
- Location
- USA
Oh this is just an aesthetic option? Oh super neat, i think i line towards the half saucer
StriderInCosmos
Wanderer in the Worldsea
- Location
- Somewhere in... Terminal Dogma? I think?
So, with capabilities thus decided, we get to decide the form the functions get to reside in. Let's see...
All told, it's honestly down to a matter of personal preference; we're going to be 100 kilotons either way. I might be swayed one way or another if I managed to get a look at some preliminary renders, but off the jump, I'd say both the inline deflector saucer (which presumably comes with an inline hull) and the half-saucer stand out to me the most by way of description. so, until someone mocks something up, that's the feeling going forward.
All told, it's honestly down to a matter of personal preference; we're going to be 100 kilotons either way. I might be swayed one way or another if I managed to get a look at some preliminary renders, but off the jump, I'd say both the inline deflector saucer (which presumably comes with an inline hull) and the half-saucer stand out to me the most by way of description. so, until someone mocks something up, that's the feeling going forward.
Well they're all the same mass, it's really just an aethetic vote
I actually like the Half-Saucer approach, because it would also allow us to potentially concentrate mission critical systems like engineering and at least a secondary command and control station well away from where the Brig is - that way, we could emulate the Klingons a bit and force any would-be escapees to try and force their way through a heavily secured chokepoint to get to engineering and potentially seize control of the ship, as well as giving a secure base from which onboard security could re-take a ship that's been otherwise overrun by pirates.
I think the Full Saucer with Secondary Hull both fits our established design aesthetic and might have some minor functionality improvements. Like say putting the brig in the secondary hull away from the main control areas might be useful if there's a jailbreak. It also probably could improve crew survivability in the event of the ship's destruction (probably at the cost of a bit of durability, but these things can't win fights against any combatant better than a pirate anyway, so crew survival is probably a better priority).
- Location
- an unseen void
- Pronouns
- Any
I like the half saucer for sure. The brig placement point seems real, and I think making one with a big secondary hull gets the furthest from our classic big Starfleet lines and creates something more distinctive that's still visibly related.
With the inline you're probably looking at a forward hull similar to the Bonaventure. As for Full Saucer without, you've seen the Sagarmatha. Half-Saucer, a bit like the Stingray.
If you go for a secondary hull-having option, there's plenty of ways to slice that. Blister, under the main hull, Constitution-esque, Kelvin-like, etc.
If you go for a secondary hull-having option, there's plenty of ways to slice that. Blister, under the main hull, Constitution-esque, Kelvin-like, etc.
Hm. Leaning towards the half saucer. Reasoning for me is that I don't want to have the secondary hull too cramped size wise since that is where the warp core, deflector, etc go (which may a concern with the the full saucer setup imo) and I also want to have the brig area a reasonable distance from the vital engineering stuff in the edge case of detained criminals somehow breaking out of their cells (possibly a concern with the no secondary hull, full saucer with inline deflector setup).
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[ ] Full Saucer with Inline Deflector [Total Mass: 100,000 Tons]
This seems like a Miranda with one nacelle.
[ ] Full Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 70,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 30,000)
This seems like the Kelvin class, with a Secondary hull above and a nacelle below both attached to the Primary hull.
[ ] Half-Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 50,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 50,000)
This seems like a half saucer Kelvin class, with a really big Secondary Hull.
Not sure what I want to do yet but leaning towards Full Saucer or Full Saucer with Inline Deflector because we don't have a shuttle bay and a 50,000 ton secondary hull would be way bigger than a nacelle and so the ship would feel unbalanced.
This seems like a Miranda with one nacelle.
[ ] Full Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 70,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 30,000)
This seems like the Kelvin class, with a Secondary hull above and a nacelle below both attached to the Primary hull.
[ ] Half-Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 50,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 50,000)
This seems like a half saucer Kelvin class, with a really big Secondary Hull.
Not sure what I want to do yet but leaning towards Full Saucer or Full Saucer with Inline Deflector because we don't have a shuttle bay and a 50,000 ton secondary hull would be way bigger than a nacelle and so the ship would feel unbalanced.