Please NO! Look at the majesty you deny us!
Space Robosnake seems awesome. Like a friendly and less useful pit droid.
Resizing raster images always seemed annoying to me, I was probably not using the right software or enough magic wands though.
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Space Robosnake seems awesome. Like a friendly and less useful pit droid.
Resizing raster images always seemed annoying to me, I was probably not using the right software or enough magic wands though.
- Location
- The Netherlands
We're losing weight efficiency to the Denobulans somewhere, since we're getting the exact same specs yet our base+nacelle design is 10kt heavier than theirs. Since the main difference is the nacelles that's the most likely place.
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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You are right that saucer does look like a pit droid, pit droids are awesome...
TheShadowDeamon
Mighty Dragon
We are ACME and Wile E. Coyote merged into a single entity.
I hearby dub thee, The "ROADRUNNER CLASS"!!
"Meep Meep!! you criminal scum"
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TheShadowDeamon
Mighty Dragon
Please NO! Look at the majesty you deny us!
Though I am confused as to how this thing is 20k tons of nacelle and 80k tons of saucer. I guess nacelles are radically less dense than anything else?
And yes I am blowing things up to pixel size. It's how I model them.
Isn't it GLORIOUS!! We have finally achieved the Kerbal Space Program essence in it's purest form - "not enough power/want to go faster? MOAR BOOSTERS!!"
slybrarian
Creature of Fable
- Location
- A Far and Sunless Land
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Please NO! Look at the majesty you deny us!
Though I am confused as to how this thing is 20k tons of nacelle and 80k tons of saucer. I guess nacelles are radically less dense than anything else?
And yes I am blowing things up to pixel size. It's how I model them.
I'm pretty sure perspective is turned off here and that makes it look worse than it is.
Yes, but I hate how solidworks does perspective. It tends to overcorrect and make things look awful.
I assume that the ship is being looked at from a great distance through optics, minimizing the effect of perspective.
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- Location
- USA
Huge Nacelle, Tiny Saucer? Seems Legit. The tinier Saucer taking up the most mass of the ship can be explained by the majority of systems being in the Saucer.
In automobiles, the engine takes up most of the mass of the vehicle. The Nacelle is like the wheels and bed of a truck. Those take up a lot of space, but can have a lower total mass than the combined mass of the engine & the cab.
In automobiles, the engine takes up most of the mass of the vehicle. The Nacelle is like the wheels and bed of a truck. Those take up a lot of space, but can have a lower total mass than the combined mass of the engine & the cab.
WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
- Location
- Reno Nevada
[X] Full Saucer with Inline Deflector [Total Mass: 100,000 Tons]
[X] Half-Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 50,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 50,000)
Both? Both. Both is good.
[X] Half-Saucer [Primary Hull Mass: 50,000 Tons] (Secondary Hull - 50,000)
Both? Both. Both is good.
All hail the Little Cesar class!Please NO! Look at the majesty you deny us!
Though I am confused as to how this thing is 20k tons of nacelle and 80k tons of saucer. I guess nacelles are radically less dense than anything else?
And yes I am blowing things up to pixel size. It's how I model them.
Edit : But yeah, I'd have expected the saucer to be bigger in proportion - the Cutter displaces almost as much as the old Stingray. And with the statement that a Nacelle is 20kt, it does displace exactly as much as a Stingray with one less Nacelle.
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LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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No! I want pizza now, gah!
NexusEye
Aspiring God
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Vote's already closed.
WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
- Location
- Reno Nevada
Ah, my bad. Sorry.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
I mean, it's literally on-screen canon that most of a Nacelle is actually a big hollow tube. By the time of TNG they've got them compressed down, and can shove a control room at the back (now there's a posting for someone on shit-duty!), but I'd wager the principle is the same, that the main length of the nacelle is the "rings" of the warp system around a hollow space that holds the plasma.
NexusEye
Aspiring God
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Yeah, an easy justification for nacelles not weighing much is that they're mostly filled with high temperature but low density plasma.
The canon I'm familiar with states the nacelles are enormously dense, something like 1/3 of the mass of a large ship, because the warp coils have to be large and uncompromisingly dense, kinda like the innards of a transformer or something. The rest of the ship you can honeycomb, you can use various alloys and tricks to lower mass, but not the warp coils.
<Shrugs> I guess we just accept it as a gaming conceit? Personally I'm not really bothered, though my first thought is "Is the warp core grunty enough to energize and fully utilize a nacelle that huge relative to the ship's power plant?"
2184: Project Protector (Contest Submission)
[X] Full Saucer with Inline Deflector [Total Mass: 100,000 Tons]
The ship is small, there's no denying it. But for a small, in-system patrol craft the size is not unreasonable. The nacelle has been downsized to adapt to the much smaller warp field required, fortunately without any notable performance losses. The saucer is sixty meters in diameter, more than enough to fit all the critical systems with just enough room to spare for your chosen auxiliary systems. The cargo bay is not large, but should be sufficient to take up a level of contraband short of that which would necessitate seizing an entire ship, in which case taking the offender under tow would be the better option. The new brig is equipped with forcefield controllers which slim down the compartment and obviate the need for reinforcement to secure species with nontypical strength profiles.
The tractor emitter is positioned directly above the main phasers, meaning that even with a ship locked in place it remains in the Protector's field of fire. Finally, the transporter allows the rapid movement of goods and personnel to and from the ship. Given its short intended range the ship does not have living quarters, though it does have a locker room with some fold-out bunks for short term habitation. You are confident that the ship overall will meet the expectations of the competition despite its greater size. Unlike the heaviest possible configuration, nobody can point at the Protector and claim it provides twice the utility for twice the cost and then argue for the Tellarite submission covering twice the space.
But the ship needs a name. While "Protector" serves as a project name, the ship is meant to act more like an enforcer than a proactive combatant or relief ship that the name might suggest. Unfortunately many options are tainted by a history or second meaning of authoritarianism that you'd like to avoid, even for a governmental but still decidedly civilian vessel.
[ ] SS Constable.
[ ] SS Assistor.
[ ] SS Inspector.
[ ] Other
Two Hour Moratorium, Please.
The ship is small, there's no denying it. But for a small, in-system patrol craft the size is not unreasonable. The nacelle has been downsized to adapt to the much smaller warp field required, fortunately without any notable performance losses. The saucer is sixty meters in diameter, more than enough to fit all the critical systems with just enough room to spare for your chosen auxiliary systems. The cargo bay is not large, but should be sufficient to take up a level of contraband short of that which would necessitate seizing an entire ship, in which case taking the offender under tow would be the better option. The new brig is equipped with forcefield controllers which slim down the compartment and obviate the need for reinforcement to secure species with nontypical strength profiles.
The tractor emitter is positioned directly above the main phasers, meaning that even with a ship locked in place it remains in the Protector's field of fire. Finally, the transporter allows the rapid movement of goods and personnel to and from the ship. Given its short intended range the ship does not have living quarters, though it does have a locker room with some fold-out bunks for short term habitation. You are confident that the ship overall will meet the expectations of the competition despite its greater size. Unlike the heaviest possible configuration, nobody can point at the Protector and claim it provides twice the utility for twice the cost and then argue for the Tellarite submission covering twice the space.
But the ship needs a name. While "Protector" serves as a project name, the ship is meant to act more like an enforcer than a proactive combatant or relief ship that the name might suggest. Unfortunately many options are tainted by a history or second meaning of authoritarianism that you'd like to avoid, even for a governmental but still decidedly civilian vessel.
[ ] SS Constable.
[ ] SS Assistor.
[ ] SS Inspector.
[ ] Other
Two Hour Moratorium, Please.
As an aside, the front/rear views before putting on the deflector/nacelle gave me intense nostalgia for Flight of the Navigator. I'm thinking in future of having a non-transparent side view as well, but that's definitely for when the ship is being done piecemeal rather than all at once.
[JK] SS Lollypop
[JK] SS CopyMcCopface
[JK] SS Inspector Gadget
[JK] SS CopyMcCopface
[JK] SS Inspector Gadget
Endorfinator
Awkwardly Social
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SS Doughnut
My god, it's adorable! Probably the cutest little ship we've ever made. And thanks for the extra views, even if not necessarily necessary they really help give the design more life.
I think constable is a good name for it, though Watchman would also fit.