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Tank man said:
What's happened is that a lot of people have decided that this ship, like many others, won't be named after its project name. There's still ample opportunity for an explorer called the Constitution class that the Enterprise is a member of.
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The idea Starfleet will order another heavy cruiser pretty much immediately after this one is... kind of ridiculous to me.

This one will be the Enterprise.
 
NavySeel said:
The idea Starfleet will order another heavy cruiser pretty much immediately after this one is... kind of ridiculous to me.

This one will be the Enterprise.
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Not necessarily a heavy cruiser, say you get like 36 'constitutions', a more limited run (12) of more massive ships that can do the heavy cruiser duties as well as excel at long range exploration is plausible.
 
If starfleet needs to crash build a ship in the middle of the Klingon war, it's going to be the Proxima-class Battleship.
 
[X] Large Secondary Hull (190,000 Tons) [Canon: Constitution-class] [3 Forward Launchers Max]
[X] Integrated Secondary Hull (200,000 Tons) [2 Forward Launcher Max]

I list my votes in terms of priority. For the first, we get the chance to have three forward launchers while not only shaving off 10 kt, but also having space for internal modules (in this case, the bare minimum needed to get it out of the dockyards cheaply and quickly while leaving space for shielding and weapons storage now and peacetime applications later) when the war passes and we need to find something to do with them afterward.

The integrated hull, on the other hand, makes the profile of the vessel much harder to hit, and offers an amount of space larger than even the Large Secondary Hull for other modules to be installed later. Being down a torpedo tube does sting for forward firepower, but I think that making the vessel harder to hit, even if just a little, would be an edge in a battle where lasting a few minutes longer than your enemy means victory.
 
I do hope everyone who voted against the half saucer will remember to make sure it gets all the combat bits since it's a 'warship', wouldn't want it to get any extraneous equipment like the full saucers designs would have included. You know, just to be consistent.
 
I was and still am rather fervently pro-Connie saucer, though right now I'm intending on making the best of what I consider to not be the best choice (hence going underslung), but unless we literally go out of our way to give this nothing but combative capabilities this ship is going to be doing some degree of exploration and other non-military duties.

It's a Federation heavy cruiser, not a single purpose frigate or destroyer, that entails short exploratory jaunts and going around the interior of the Federation to perform a wide array of duties, from specialist high speed transport, intervening in natural disasters and so on, during peacetime.

Will it be as good at these things as a dedicated explorer? No. Will it be incapable of doing these things? Also no.
 
[X] Large Secondary Hull (190,000 Tons) [Canon: Constitution-class] [3 Forward Launchers Max]

I'm convinced by the argument for this. Some extra space that can be used for other things in peace time makes a lot of sense for a flagship. We're still first and foremost the federation after all.
 
Tank man said:
It's a Federation heavy cruiser, not a single purpose frigate or destroyer, that entails short exploratory jaunts and going around the interior of the Federation to perform a wide array of duties, from specialist high speed transport, intervening in natural disasters and so on.
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If we can manage so much as a medbay, it'll have capabilities to provide frontier worlds that none of our existing ships can supply.

(The last ship we built that had more than minimal medical infrastructure was the Curiosity.)
 
Tank man said:
Will it be as good at these things as a dedicated explorer? No. Will it be incapable of doing these things? Also no.
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It will be immediately scraped after the 4 years war of we don't give it at least the module space to at least do the "cruising" jobs, which we are currently sacrificing at the alter of 0.2 maximum sprint.
 
Void Stalker said:
@Sayle for prototype systems, when those become standard or mature would later ships have the decrease to cost when considered for construction?

For example suppose we use the prototype torpedoes and thus for the initial ship builds have the high cost, once those are considered standard would ships built after that point then use the lower standard cost and not the prototype? I am asking because this does mean if we do put prototype systems on (or standard that will hit mature) and design a ship worth building for an extended period of time that can extend how long the Federation would be willing to build it with the ship cost decreasing.
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Yes, the ships would become cheaper.

Tank man said:
@Sayle do we know the exact module difference between the three secondary hull options?
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I won't know precisely until the hull is drawn out and the warp core plugged in. But given the extra volume I'd be very surprised if the integrated hull didn't have an extra module.

Ramble said:
@Sayle Does underslung secondary hull look like

Or does it look like Oberth class?
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Didn't know there was an example of underslung, though that's pretty close. I imagine the size of the secondary will probably have the nacelles in a more classical configuration than a saucer-mounting.
 
Ramble said:
It will be immediately scraped after the 4 years war of we don't give it at least the module space to at least do the "cruising" jobs, which we are currently sacrificing at the alter of 0.2 maximum sprint.
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No. Even purely combat ships have been kept around for longer in peacetime, and the modules that lend themselves to long range combat operations (stores, medical facilities and so on) also lend themselves to peacetime duties.

It's too early to say what we'll be able to stick into it anyways, both in absolute terms and in terms of individual modules.
 
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