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[X] The particle cannon yields are too low to inflict meaningful damage to heavily polarised plating. (Particle Cannon -> Phase Cannon Prototype)
[X] Focus on providing cargo and transport space for the United Earth Starfleet. Will require more warp coils and hull plating.

I want better guns, and I want a platform big enough to mount more of them.
 
[X] The particle cannon yields are too low to inflict meaningful damage to heavily polarised plating. (Particle Cannon -> Phase Cannon Prototype)
[X] Focus on providing cargo and transport space for the United Earth Starfleet. Will require more warp coils and hull plating.
 
[x] Focus on a small ship for short-range interception and basic patrol duty. Will require more polarisation relays.
 
[X] The particle cannon yields are too low to inflict meaningful damage to heavily polarised plating. (Particle Cannon -> Phase Cannon Prototype)
[X] Focus on providing cargo and transport space for the United Earth Starfleet. Will require more warp coils and hull plating.
 
[X] The particle cannon yields are too low to inflict meaningful damage to heavily polarised plating. (Particle Cannon -> Phase Cannon Prototype)
[X] Focus on a small ship for short-range interception and basic patrol duty. Will require more polarisation relays.

Bacon_commando said:
To put things into perspective, the Earth-Romulan War starts in 10 years. Humanity goes from puttering around the Sol System to being capable of giving a galactic power a bloody nose along with their pals in a single decade.
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You could make a good deal more sense of the timeline by emphasizing Romulan supply lines. An upstart minor power defeating an established major one on an even field is contrivance but a competent minor power beating back a very logistically challenged expedition and exploiting the aggression diplomatically might be more natural.
 
The Romulan war as its presented feels more like a border skirmish to me, also neither power was putting their all into the war, as according to the ST wiki.
"In 2266, Spock categorized the weaponry generally used in the Earth-Romulan War as atomic in nature, and fairly primitive at that. He also characterized the ships in use as primitive, and designed in ways that did not permit quarter or captives"

I propose we design a drone ship next or something since that's something that the Romulans used apparently, which means there is some precedent for automated ships in the ST universe.
 
[X] The particle cannon yields are too low to inflict meaningful damage to heavily polarised plating. (Particle Cannon -> Phase Cannon Prototype)
[X] Focus on providing cargo and transport space for the United Earth Starfleet. Will require more warp coils and hull plating.
 
Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but was it fanon or canon that Humans in Star Trek were crazy about establishing colonies everywhere in comparison to most races in the Alpha Quadrant?

It being the reason why there were so many Human planets around and why it seems that most species were only found in one planet/area.
 
0t4n1z3r019 said:
Gaslight the Romulans into backing off. I like it.
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Not gaslight necessarily I imagine the situation as 'Romulans send a very long range expedition to the very edge of their reach, the Humans managed to defeat it because of the logistical difficulties balancing out the tech disadvantage, and then that obvious threat provides impetus for the formation of the Federation'.
 
[X] The particle cannon yields are too low to inflict meaningful damage to heavily polarised plating. (Particle Cannon -> Phase Cannon Prototype)
[X] Focus on a small ship for short-range interception and basic patrol duty. Will require more polarisation relays.
 
ShuTheDragon said:
Partially because of a bias against it forcing those working on it to do so in secret, and thus without oversight.
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An understandable bias to be honest, given the number of times something's gone wrong with automating armed starships. Stuff like M-5, or whatever the hell Section 31 was doing with artificial intelligence in DIS, didn't exactly garner enthusiasm for the idea.

Not to say we couldn't try our hand at it, I just wouldn't want to give the ships weapons until we're really sure it won't go funky on us.
 
Jensaarai said:
An understandable bias to be honest, given the number of times something's gone wrong with automating armed starships. Stuff like M-5, or whatever the hell Section 31 was doing with artificial intelligence in DIS, didn't exactly garner enthusiasm for the idea.

Not to say we couldn't try our hand at it, I just wouldn't want to give the ships weapons until we're really sure it won't go funky on us.
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Yup, by the time period most of Star Trek is set after, the bias has already become a self feeding cycle.
 
ShuTheDragon said:
Yup, by the time period most of Star Trek is set after, the bias has already become a self feeding cycle.
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Again, still not totally comfortable making armed automated ships.

Also, given how often the ship's computer gets hacked in any random episode of Star Trek, that's another point away from anything automated that could potentially kill people if it goes off the rails.
 
Jensaarai said:
Actually, seems like that was a thing in at least the TOS era with the Antares-type automated freighter. There's also some stuff in SNW about drone mining ships.
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Yeah it was a thing in the animated series, the federation apparently used outdated Antares type ships as a unmanned cargo hauler, I believe they are shown in the episode transporting the grain from the Tribble episode to Sherman's planet.
 
Jensaarai said:
Again, still not totally comfortable making armed automated ships.

Also, given how often the ship's computer gets hacked in any random episode of Star Trek, that's another point away from anything automated that could potentially kill people if it goes off the rails.
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It's not a great idea to leave them completely unarmed either though, they would need some way to at least defend themselves from pirates and such. However, no real need for most use case automated ships to have state of the art defenses or anything.
 
I mean, any automated ship is an antimatter laden potential relativistic projectile. I can understand the desire to avoid fully removing people from that equation even if I doubt that's the Watsonian reason.
 
[X] The particle cannon yields are too low to inflict meaningful damage to heavily polarised plating. (Particle Cannon -> Phase Cannon Prototype)
[X] Focus on providing cargo and transport space for the United Earth Starfleet. Will require more warp coils and hull plating.
 
[X] Focus on providing cargo and transport space for the United Earth Starfleet. Will require more warp coils and hull plating.
[X] The particle cannon yields are too low to inflict meaningful damage to heavily polarised plating. (Particle Cannon -> Phase Cannon Prototype)
 
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