For me, it's that she literally got so blinded by revenge that she agreed to work for Eggman, now she has to make the most of it. She can either hold true to her morals... or get revenge. As well as her greed and ambition vs. morals, by staying with him to build her brand.

Her being a fashion designer, as you acknowledged, is a way to get us income faster. Yes, Basil can do that too, but that's still likely at least two turns away. One to recruit him, another to get whatever he needs for it set up. And more sources are better.

It's also a usable tool for infiltration, marketing, etc. Get Eggman an industry outside of machinery.

Not going to say she's super interesting yet, but I don't see her inherently more or less interesting than many of the other heroes in our roster when she just showed up. Whoever we don't invest in won't be interesting, because they won't have anything to do. If nothing else, her industry offers opportunities that some other heroes don't.
That could be interesting, under different circumstances. Honey will lose her Conflicted trait once we have her do a fashion project. That's it. Eggman's halving of loyalty would probably still apply to her, but it feels cheap.

I don't disagree that more income is better. I'm willing to have Orbot & Cubot handle it, because that's a throw away action and there isn't really much that can be lost from it. But you overstate the importance. Honey is almost certainly going to be outed as one of our minions by the time we unite the Green Hill Zone. Rouge almost certainly knows she works for us and we know she doesn't feel compelled to be honorable about her arrangement with Eggman. Breezie already knows she works for Eggman and Breezie knows full well what Eggman means for the world.

There are only so many opportunities that Honey's shop can offer playing in an Eggman quest. It probably would lower the DC to infiltrate the Restoration and I'm okay with that. But what about once we move beyond Green Hill Zone? Are we seriously going to only assign her to 'secret' actions so we can develop her fashion store across the world? The normal infiltration action exists.

The most potential I can see in her character is deserting us upon our conquest of the Restoration and joining the resistance. I think that'd be neat to read. But otherwise I don't see her as anything other than a few circumstantial bonuses.

If we were playing Restoration quest, yeah I'd be fine with her. But we're not.

What are you talking about?

I meant that is a bit hasty to imidiatly write off a character that we just get before saying she is boring wihtout waiting a couple of updates and turns to see what QMs are planing to her or how they write her personality.
You said I had "too strong an opinion" about Honey when I explicitly said I felt nothing about her. I can tell when people are trying to snipe at me.
 
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That could be interesting, under different circumstances. Honey will lose her Conflicted trait once we have her do a fashion project. That's it. Eggman's halving of loyalty would probably still apply to her, but it feels cheap.

I don't disagree that more income is better. I'm willing to have Orbot & Cubot handle it, because that's a throw away action and there isn't really much that can be lost from it. But you overstate the importance. Honey is almost certainly going to be outed as one of our minions by the time we unite the Green Hill Zone. Rouge almost certainly knows she works for us and we know she doesn't feel compelled to be honorable about her arrangement with Eggman. Breezie already knows she works for Eggman and Breezie knows full well what Eggman means for the world.

There are only so many opportunities that Honey's shop can offer. It probably would lower the DC to infiltrate the Restoration and I'm okay with that. But what about once we move beyond Green Hill Zone? Are we seriously going to only assign her to 'secret' actions so we can develop her fashion store across the world? The normal infiltration action exists.

The most potential I can see in her character is deserting us upon our conquest of the Restoration and joining the resistance. I think that'd be neat to read. But otherwise I don't see her as anything other than a few circumstantial bonuses.

I'm curious what you mean by "different circumstances" just because that's such a broad statement.

Agreed on Orbot and Cubot handling it, was always my preference there.

I give it a lot of importance because right now we have no income coming in, outside of one-off personals from a few other characters, and the restoration infiltration. For the former, we need money for Elizabeth's shop and probably the Black Market. The latter is a way to start setting up for one of the bigger obstacles in Green Hill while we're still occupied by Zavok and, potentially, pushing the Empire out of our desired territory and uncovering the hidden factions.

Rouge seems to be more interested in making sure she has insurance than backstabbing us, from what little we've seen so far. I don't deny the possibility but also think she's unlikely to betray us before she gets Shadow back though and I expect that particular subplot to last longer than the Restoration.

QMs have said that Breezie and Dural don't really care about us since they got what they wanted. Granted, I can't find the quote, might've been on here or on the discord, I'm not digging through however many pages to try and find it. So you can take that one with a grain of salt.

After Green Hill, we should be able to build her brand in areas of other Kings, especially ones we manage to have friendlier or more neutral initial relationships with. There, Eggman's history and reputation in the Sonic franchise aren't going to be such significant deterrents. It won't matter if she's known to be one of our people by then.
 
I'm curious what you mean by "different circumstances" just because that's such a broad statement.

Agreed on Orbot and Cubot handling it, was always my preference there.

I give it a lot of importance because right now we have no income coming in, outside of one-off personals from a few other characters, and the restoration infiltration. For the former, we need money for Elizabeth's shop and probably the Black Market. The latter is a way to start setting up for one of the bigger obstacles in Green Hill while we're still occupied by Zavok and, potentially, pushing the Empire out of our desired territory and uncovering the hidden factions.

Rouge seems to be more interested in making sure she has insurance than backstabbing us, from what little we've seen so far. I don't deny the possibility but also think she's unlikely to betray us before she gets Shadow back though and I expect that particular subplot to last longer than the Restoration.

QMs have said that Breezie and Dural don't really care about us since they got what they wanted. Granted, I can't find the quote, might've been on here or on the discord, I'm not digging through however many pages to try and find it. So you can take that one with a grain of salt.

After Green Hill, we should be able to build her brand in areas of other Kings, especially ones we manage to have friendlier or more neutral initial relationships with. There, Eggman's history and reputation in the Sonic franchise aren't going to be such significant deterrents. It won't matter if she's known to be one of our people by then.
She's a cheap hero. We did nothing to recruit her, she just showed up. It wasn't Eggman seeing an opportunity and corrupting her, she just joined in because of an omake. Her trait that halves loyalty gains can be waived with as trivial effort as giving her a fashion project. That's cheap.

I doubt Rouge is going to stay around for that long. She is too powerful of a hero unit for that. I expect our conquest of the Green Hills to take ten or so more turns, which is a fair bit longer than I expect it to take to develop a measure to disrupt the shared mind of the Black Arms. We're Eggman, we do the impossible on a daily basis. Especially once we get our stuff back. I expect to have that counter measure developed by Turn 10 or 11. Rouge isn't going to stick around if we don't put effort towards developing that countermeasure too, especially if we're conquering the Restoration and GUN. Team Dark isn't neutral to Eggman!

They're going to care when we burn their homes to ash leading a horde of badniks. :V

Note that after Eggman conquers the Green Hill Zone, he's also almost certainly going to Make an Announcement to the entire world. There will be opportunities, that is, if Honey is even interested in branching out, but Eggman isn't one for being subtle. We have an achievement for it too. They won't know Eggman as deeply as Sonic characters, but we'll be making that impression quick enough with our conquests.
 
I think were underestimating honey and perhaps even she doesn't realize her own potential either. Once we get all our industry back up and running from Zavok she could very well be our version of Edna Mode
 
I think were underestimating honey and perhaps even she doesn't realize her own potential either. Once we get all our industry back up and running from Zavok she could very well be our version of Edna Mode

I can see her going "NO CAPES!!!" While going all in on practical and fashionable designs…and not stopping when she sees the budget becomes "yes."
 
I think were underestimating honey and perhaps even she doesn't realize her own potential either. Once we get all our industry back up and running from Zavok she could very well be our version of Edna Mode
I can see her clothes potentially containing gadgets to utilize. It would also strengthen morale a lot. Imagine her making a special fashion line for our cyberized units like Cassia, starting a cyberization fad. One of the concerns lots of people would have about cyberization is being othered, but that's less of an issue if it's popular and in style.
 
Belle and Metal being a part of an early 2000s Coming of Age movie be like:


View: https://youtu.be/tEXAvCi7cv0?si=kGG4UHxiTRBgONEV

Belle as... The Ignored Voice of Reason

Metal as ... The Goth

Sage as ... The Nerd

Orbot and Cubot as... Themselves

XD


(I must regain my throne XD)

Sage: They've been mockin' since I can remember
But they're not gonna laugh anymore
No more "Sagey the geek"
No more "Egg joke of the week" like before!

Honey the Cat: No more algebra tests till September

Fang the Sniper: No more lookin' at losers like her!

Bean the Dynamite: No more having to cheat!
No more mystery meat!

Various Random Mobians: No more gym, no more gym, no more gym, no more gym!

Cassia: Gonna move to the mall!

Captain Metal: Gonna live in da deep pool!

Sage: Gonna talk to Chris
And not feel like a fool!

Random Mobians Chorus: 'Cause after today I'm gonna be cruisin'!

Sage: After today he'll be mine

Random Mobians Chorus:'After today my brains will be snoozin'

Sage: If I don't faint, I'll be fine!

Clove and Cassia: I've got 40 more minutes of home economics!

Tangle: Then down with the textbooks-

Ichi and Yon: -and up with the comics!

Sage: Just think of all the time I've been losing
Finding the right thing to say
But things will be going my way after today
He looked right through me
And who could blame 'im?
I need a new me
Plus some positive proof that I'm not just a scrambled goof!

Random Mobians Chorus: And after today I'm gonna be cruising

Conquering Storm and Starline: No more pep rallies to cut, blech!

Random Mobians Chorus: After today our brains will be snoozing

Cubot: I'm gonna sit on my butt!

Sage: I've got less than an hour
And when this has ended
I'll either be famous!

E-51 Intelligente: Or you'll be suspended!!!

Random Mobians Chorus: Just think of all the time I've been losing
Waiting until I could say
Gonna be on my own, kiss the parents goodbye
Gonna party from now till the end of July
Things'll be going my way after today

Sage: I wish that this was the day after todayyyyy...
 
Update will take a bit to be posted, IRL has kept me busy.

In the meantime, we decided to add a progress bar to some personal actions for some characters. Here is the list of a few so far, will be added for turn 6



Starline:

Check Out The... "Local Talent"
Several of your more personal experiments are in need of "locally sourced" talent. Taking a trip into Green Hill Zone and people watching may be an excellent way to find the right people for the "job".
Reward: Dr.Starline people watches and perhaps finds subjects for a later experiment.

Progress bar : 20/200

Search This Base
Apparently the Eggbase you commandeered for the good Doctor is one he used to store nostalgic inventions he has no other use for. It's quite possible there could be useful items lying about.
Reward: Starline finds salvaged Eggman inventions that could potentially be repaired for his own usage.

progress bar: 36/80

Study Ragnite Personally
After having been shot, you won't deny the benefits of some healing. You will leave the more thorough development to the Doctor, but you seek some extra protection.
Reward: Starline makes his own personal Ragnite healing kit.

Progress Bar: 0/125



Rusty:Analyze Recording of "Sonic the Hedgehog"
According to your data, Dr. Eggman's greatest rival is that blue hedgehog. In order to assist the doctor in his plans for world Conquest, defeating that menace is a must!
Reward: Chances of Rusty of gaining a trait when fighting Sonic.

Progress bar: 29/150

Stone:

Work on Your People Skills
As the Doctor's middle man (at least back in the day), you often have to communicate with others. One day that may extend beyond making simple deals and then leaving, so let's brush up on this.
Reward: Potential to raise Stone's Heart Stat.

Progress Bar: 0/100

Read The Manual
One of the few things you actually managed to pull from the wreckage and keep with you after the Shattering, the manual for the Giant Eggman Robot is now one of the few things you have left from your time with your doctor. His genius really did know no bounds as he created such a machine of destruction...
Reward: Stone spends some time going through the manual of the Giant Eggman Robot.

Progress Bar: 0/75

Belle:

Learn More About Eggman's Past
Your life has taken a turn for the strange nowadays. But there's no point dwelling on the past. Well, not your past at least. If you're going to be here, you're going to have gain a better understanding of why exactly All these people are so against your... Boss. At least, hopefully.
Reward: Belle learns about the history of Eggman's various enemies.

Progress bar: 0/130

Belle Practice Engineering a Bit
After being the one to repair Metal Sonic with Isara's help, you realize you could stand to get more advanced fixing skills. There's only so much you can do, but you can certainly do this!
Reward: Belle practices more advanced engineering. Possibility to upgrade her "Last Name Makes Sense" Trait.

Progress Bar: 0/60
 
Update will take a bit to be posted, IRL has kept me busy.

In the meantime, we decided to add a progress bar to some personal actions for some characters. Here is the list of a few so far, will be added for turn 6

No worries we understand.

Still...I'm not really sure about this change. Can't say I'm against it but can't quite say I'm for it either...

On one hand it's a way to consistently make progress regardless of rolls (poor Starline certainly needs it), but it doesn't quite make sense in some cases either...and it also means that there essentially must be a reward at the end of it but removes variable outcomes.
It also means that it would likely take several turns for them to achieve anything, depending on rolls.

Hmm...this isn't for all of them is it?
 
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No worries we understand.

Still...I'm not really sure about this change. Can't say I'm against it but can't quite say I'm for it either...

On one hand it's a way to consistently make progress regardless of rolls (poor Starline certainly needs it), but it doesn't quite make sense in some cases either...and it also means that there essentially must be a reward at the end of it but removes variable outcomes.
It also means that it would likely take several turns for them to achieve anything, depending on rolls.

Hmm...this isn't for all of them is it?
No, only for a few.
 
Good to have the progression bars. Since it's not all of them, I'm looking forward to seeing which other ones get the bars, a good number of them seem to have the potential for it. A lot of the training, building project and research ones.
 
Belle Practice Engineering a Bit
After being the one to repair Metal Sonic with Isara's help, you realize you could stand to get more advanced fixing skills. There's only so much you can do, but you can certainly do this!
Reward: Belle practices more advanced engineering. Possibility to upgrade her "Last Name Makes Sense" Trait.
This sounds interesting and also useful
 
Got inspired by this song and thought how the lyrics could also relate to many villains of sonic and they could partially fit to the 40k gods spot and it would somwhat fit, that and wanted my try making lyric songs that boohoo and other has made before so if it sounds a bit too similar, tried my best to change it up and make it more sonic themed but my song writing is not the best

Orginal song:

View: https://youtu.be/7sUZTZ0-o5k?si=xzQEff4fLHlMnsvk

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
For uncountable millenia, they play the long game,

Always fighting, always cursing his name,

Let us praise the great villains: Blackdoom, Chaos, Merlina and Eggman!,

Warring, yet never winning, to them our lives are sworn!

(Chaos watery minions somehow singing)
We will create Chaos, and claim the emeralds for his watery throne

With Blades raised to heavens, our great bloodlust will be known,

Chaos will smile at our battles, as we'll follow his bloody path!

And with his mighty blessings, to show the world his wrath!

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
For uncountable millenia, they play the long game,

Always fighting, always cursing his name,

Let us praise the great villains: Blackdoom, Chaos, Merlina and Eggman!,

Warring, yet never winning, to them our lives are sworn!

(Blackarms chorus hivemind voices)
For The greatest warlord Blackdoom, we will spread his tendrils:

Every blight, disease and illness, are nothing before him.

And for every essence that touched us, from our hardships we'll be reborn,

Such is the might of Blackdoom, and his great Horde!

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
For uncountable millenia, they play the long game,

Always fighting, always cursing his name,

Let us praise the great villains: Blackdoom, Chaos, Merlina and Eggman!,

Warring, yet never winning, to them our lives are sworn!

(Merlina's troops and soldiers singing)
We will scream for Queen of camelot, and become perfect in every way,
For her desire is never ending and grows greater day by day!

We will strive to reach perfection, for it is what Merlina wills.

And she'll give us gifts of eternity, and unmatched sorcery!

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
For uncountable millenia, they play the long game,

Always fighting, always cursing his name,

Let us praise the great villains: Blackdoom, Chaos, Merlina and Eggman!,

Warring, yet never winning, to them our lives are sworn!

(Badniks singing in a synthesized voice)
We'll deceive, lie and conspire, to entertain Eggman!

We will plan our moves carefully, slowly and inch after inch,

As we'll please the Great inventor, with change, that is his due,

He will grant us knowledge, wisdom and technological prowess!

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
For uncountable millenia, they play the long game,

Always fighting, always cursing his name,

Let us praise all the lesser villains

We serve them all faithfully, never winning yet never losing!

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
Let us praise the lesser forces, for their terror still is true,

Dark Gaia, Dark oak , Zavok and Mephiles, we are paying you your due!

For when time comes when the greater purpose comes we will
forget our petty souls,

You will care for your followers, if they're closer to your goals!

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
For uncountable millenia, they play the long game,

Always fighting, always cursing his name,

Let us praise all the lesser villains

We serve them all faithfully, never winning yet never losing!

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
All the villains of mobius, we are praising as a whole,

Every single lesser follower fulfills it's little role,

For though the long game ,rages conflict multi-sided,

We welcome our saviors altogether, praised be to them!

(CHORUS all villain minions singing)
For uncountable millenia, they play the long game,

Always fighting, always cursing his name,

We praise all the villains both big and small

We serve them all faithfully, never winning yet never losing!
 
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Potential Egg Uniform

For the record I am not an artist, my artistic skill is limited to stick figures but for some reason today I decided to try and palette swap a potential uniform we could have Honey make. After an hour or two and some horrible clunky doodles, here we are! I just wish I could have added the shawl but thats beyond me, plus I have no clue how most of the online art options work.




danbooru.donmai.us

zena (project moon and 1 more) drawn by 0o0onnk | Danbooru

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For the record I am not an artist, my artistic skill is limited to stick figures but for some reason today I decided to try and palette swap a potential uniform we could have Honey make. After an hour or two and some horrible clunky doodles, here we are! I just wish I could have added the shawl but thats beyond me, plus I have no clue how most of the online art options work.


Hmm...that's pretty good.

The basic style works well, there just need to be a few adjustments regarding the...straps? And an Eggman symbol somewhere.
 
Alright @Boohoo the 3rd @Ranger65 @KA$H @Kingster and @ShepardCom

Shadow the Hedgehog vs A Billion Lions

This omake was written in Turn 4 and was not rewarded.

This is the list of omakes from Turn 5, it will be updated as we go:


A Meeting of the Minds

Eggmemo: unexpected variables

Eggmemo: Orbot and Cubot


ELECTRIC LOVE (CONFISCATED BY GUN)

War is just another business


Insight in the Mind of a Genius


EggMemo: Project GARDNA



Only the Worthy May Wield

Starline and the Dice



Omega Squared - Pronghorn Panic

Dark Timeline AU G.U.N Negaquest Part 3: Finale


Fractured Empire 3: Night of the Black Sun

The Rusty and Rosy Rustle

A Normal Scrapnik Day

Your Dictator, My Savior

OMEGA(MA) IS EVERYWHERE

Firing the Belle Cannon!



A long overdue talk.



Egg Pawns in:
The Great Coffee Caper

Belle Making the Rounds: Chatting With A Rose

Starline Experiment file #&%: Another attempt to restore Doctor Eggman



Metal and Chaocofonix First (and hopefully last) Song

For Whom the Belle Tolls



Musings on the nature of wood

The Regina of All Waters, Kindreds, Peoples and Laws

Starline Files: The Eggboss Eggman


Give him Two Minutes

A Day in the Life of the Duck-Billed Dabbler


Nii-juu ichi and Ni-juu yon in: New World same story

Crumbling Foundations

Roses by Metal Sonic

The first rule is, you don't talk about...

Warn me guys if I miss one omake or another.

Don't knownif these two count as omake so I will leave it here.


 
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