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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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why was the miner given the rune of burning? does it have a ranged weapon?

only found this recently so i dont know the thought and debate that went into the decision
 
Wait a second, does this open up freaky "painstakingly grow a tree into a humanoid shape, then rune it while it's still planted" possibilities?

Anything the elgi can do, the dawi can do better!

(We should just ask master Yorri if he ever did this, frankly it seems like the sort of thing he's try.)
 
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That does sound like the sort of project that might come about from Dwarf and High Elf cooperation, yeah... Wutroth grown into a Gronti shape. The High Elves probably have their own really impressive tough wood too. Like that thing they used to make Dragonships which I can't remember the name of right now.

As for other magical "living X" materials...

It's a shame that there's no way to find or get some kind of "living stone." Since the importance of stone in Dwarf mythology... but then, many Gronti are made out of stone to begin with -- it's probably the most common golem material in fact -- and none of that ever somehow ended up being a 'living' thing, so.

There's probably some kind of ice monster made out of living ice. But then, that's a magical creature. And presumably if killed it would be... well, dead. So it only counts as "living ice" while the creature is still alive.

The coral idea made me laugh. Though it does actually make sense! Just... not sure it'd be a strong enough material, yeah. Although this being Warhammer maybe there's some magical or supertough coral or something, who knows.

"Living metal" would be neat if it existed and could somehow work. No idea how. The closest seem like some kind of... djinn bound to metal. Which just leads to it being a Chaos Dwarf K'daai, basically. So... yeah.

Hm. Wutroth still seems like the best bet here, really. If that is, as was pointed out, this idea is even possible in the first place. it might not be.
 
I mean hard coral does make limestone, but this is Warhammer and we are close to the Portals so we may have some Super Coral near the cost.
 
Garlak said:
Master Runes are nice, yes. But rune combos and creative utilization of what Griffons are or do or who they fight, or ways to represent Griffons or thunderbolts, seem better; it feels like a story or description, like it tells a tale... like it can be something representative of the race or events. And thus, be more likely to be a legend. And being able to turn a bad Pokémon type-matchup into a good type-matchup -- and have it serve as a rune combo that has good utility and defense even outside that specific scenario -- would be great.
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I like it! Perhaps Iron + Transference + Absorption are what is needed? Hold the iron out and then make a channel to transfer the power into the user to power them up where they can absorb it.



Garlak said:
That does sound like the sort of project that might come about from Dwarf and High Elf cooperation, yeah... Wutroth grown into a Gronti shape. The High Elves probably have their own really impressive tough wood too. Like that thing they used to make Dragonships which I can't remember the name of right now.

As for other magical "living X" materials...

It's a shame that there's no way to find or get some kind of "living stone." Since the importance of stone in Dwarf mythology... but then, many Gronti are made out of stone to begin with -- it's probably the most common golem material in fact -- and none of that ever somehow ended up being a 'living' thing, so.

There's probably some kind of ice monster made out of living ice. But then, that's a magical creature. And presumably if killed it would be... well, dead. So it only counts as "living ice" while the creature is still alive.

The coral idea made me laugh. Though it does actually make sense! Just... not sure it'd be a strong enough material, yeah. Although this being Warhammer maybe there's some magical or supertough coral or something, who knows.

"Living metal" would be neat if it existed and could somehow work. No idea how. The closest seem like some kind of... djinn bound to metal. Which just leads to it being a Chaos Dwarf K'daai, basically. So... yeah.

Hm. Wutroth still seems like the best bet here, really. If that is, as was pointed out, this idea is even possible in the first place. it might not be.
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It does sound pretty interesting, though the trade off in durability from using Wutroth or some other hard growing thing and not Pure Gromril or Adamant does bring its own problems. Among them that it'd take several turns to grow a tree big enough to be usable for an Ogre sized Gronti and a couple centuries for one the size of a Bloodthirster.

Gronti out of "living" materials sounds like the kind of thing that is a field of Gronticraft in and of itself, which makes me interested by default.


Now something which is worth noting, a lot of these hypothetical Gronti using the Rune of Vitality benefit a lot from Greedy Troll Hearts due to the extreme regeneration and vitality of that group of trolls. A lot of them would have died in Grimnir's Campaign but with how things came back after that campaign some will continue to exist. Given enough time I imagine that a Greedy Troll could rise to T4. Maybe they could even reach the power of Trollpus, but that would take a Very Long time I think.

My gut instinct would to say that after 40 years one of them, the best one on the continent is probably T3. Multiple T3s is slightly less possible, and a T4 is probably unlikely. But these are just gut feelings.

Obviously these are applicable to all of our projects, including Ymir or the Healing Banner. But these projects would obviously be weaker. In this context then, the T5 Greedy Heart we have is still important, but projects that need a Greedy Heart aren't going to grind to a halt if we expend the heart on the Healing Banner or Ymir.
 
Binge-Reader said:
It's already a multi century thing if we want to make it out of adamant. Like Ymir is a Looooong build
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Which is why we're using Pure Gromril. Adamant simply isn't meant to be used on projects this large. Not unless we find a way to really ramp up production which is probably just not going to happen. Better to use Adamant in projects meant for dwarves. We'll get way more mileage out of the stuff that way.
 
Speaking of. Next turn 2 actions on Banner, Dictation Research and test out a combo for The Warrior Gronti?

Alternatively if we feel confident in the Runes just take the pt1 Warrior action with the runeset. Only the third is in doubt anyway. Fortitude or forging.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
Which is why we're using Pure Gromril. Adamant simply isn't meant to be used on projects this large. Not unless we find a way to really ramp up production which is probably just not going to happen. Better to use Adamant in projects meant for dwarves. We'll get way more mileage out of the stuff that way.
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Dont act as if you're speaking for the majority man
 
Abhishek M said:
Speaking off. Next turn finish 2 actions on Banner, Dictation Research and test out a combo for The Warrior Gronti?

Alternatively if we feel confident in the Runes just take the pt1 Warrior action with the runeset. Only the third is in doubt anyway. Fortitude or forging.
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I figured it'd be better to put 2 on the Banner, and three on Combo research into the Sky King's armor and/or weapon gauntlets, and take his favor. The banner because its our last active commission and the combo research because we need those on hand before we dive into making that, and that needs to get done so we can make sure he's in the best position to survive.


BungieONI said:
[] Blah blah blah
-[] Boon from the Sky: Tell me of the strongest creature you know of in these lands and help me hunt it down so I can take its heart. [Cost: Start Request, [Difficult] Plated Skies Pt. 1:] No Time Limit

-[] [Difficult] A Higher Standard Pt. 2: You've gazed upon the face of the Ancestors a lot in the past few years, especially when you were making your alchemical flame spitters, and it's inspired you. A banner to rally behind, something that dwarfs will look to and fight all the harder with it at their back. A banner worthy of the hold of Kraka Drakk to be held aloft with pride by an equally worthy standard-bearer. [Cost: 1 action] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 actions

-[] C-c-combo Tester!: Write-in format for a Rune Combo you want Snorri to test. [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. 3 actions.
--[] Monster Slayer, Griffon King's Gauntlets: Master Rune of Smiting, Rune of Daemonslaying, Rune of Dragonslaying
--[] Armor of Purity, Griffon King's Armor: [Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spellbreaking]
--[] Consuming Armor, Griffon King's Armor: [Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spelleating]
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This is what I came up with a couple pages ago but another option is:


[] Blah blah blah
-[] Boon from the Sky: Tell me of the strongest creature you know of in these lands and bring its entire corpse to me. [Cost: Start Request, [Difficult] Plated Skies Pt. 1:] No Time Limit

-[] [Difficult] A Higher Standard Pt. 2: You've gazed upon the face of the Ancestors a lot in the past few years, especially when you were making your alchemical flame spitters, and it's inspired you. A banner to rally behind, something that dwarfs will look to and fight all the harder with it at their back. A banner worthy of the hold of Kraka Drakk to be held aloft with pride by an equally worthy standard-bearer. [Cost: 1 action] Productivity Like No Other will proc. 2 actions

-[] C-c-combo Tester!: Write-in format for a Rune Combo you want Snorri to test. [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. 3 actions.
--[] Mighty Silver Titan, Gronti: Master Rune of Awakening, Rune of Might, Rune of Fortitude
--[] Armor of Purity, Griffon King's Armor: Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spellbreaking
--[] Consuming Armor, Griffon King's Armor: Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Warding, Rune of Spelleating

That gets testing done on the Warrior and hopefully the Sky King's Armor, unless these fail to create combos. And we know we can make multiple of these without using up mats in the process of testing, since they're like pt 1 of a design project according to Soulcake.

soulcake said:
BungieONI said:
Unless @soulcake you were conceiving of the Combo Tester as using up mats during the process of testing Combos.
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Its just like pt.1 you dont use mats up in there so yeah.
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Think Master Rune of Steel would probably work better for anti spell if soulcakes hint is anything to go by. Also shouldn't we test the Warrior Gronti combo first? I dont think we will have consensus for the Golem any time soon
For potential gauntlets would one Master Rune extend to both? Or would each need their own?

Master Rune of Currents , Rune of Frost, Rune of Might.
With every strike the Mountains Glacial Winds cuts and roils against ones foes with all the force of nature.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
You planning on making Ymir out of Adamant?
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Im not taking it off the table, not when theres so much stuff left to explore before settling on a final material for the frame. Thematic resonance with Runes matters too.

Abhishek M said:
Speaking of. Next turn 2 actions on Banner, Dictation Research and test out a combo for The Warrior Gronti?

Alternatively if we feel confident in the Runes just take the pt1 Warrior action with the runeset. Only the third is in doubt anyway. Fortitude or forging.
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...No?

We still need to push for the Skykings armor

Anyway @BungieONI Ive come up with an idea:

Master Rune of Steel + Rune of Spelleating + Rune of Accuracy.

Accuracy is about whipping the Winds of Magic to assist the aiming of projectiles. Spelleating *absorbs* the Winds of Magic to power other effects.

The Master Rune of Steel resists corruption and change.

WindSoveriegn Mk. II: The Winds heed the command of their rightful King, Magic consumed, and turned to the strength which keeps him aloft. His will and rule absolute, control over the Majestic Skies as unyielding as Steel.

Magic gets cast, gets turned into a power and accuracy boost as well as ability to straight up manipulate it to assist his charges, and then Steel to no-sell the potential corrupting effects that might try to sneak past his natural constitution.

Along with the nifty defensive boosts. On an Adamant breastplate it becomes good, and also leaves room for a more "Fury of the Storm" theme to synergize with the Gauntlets.
 
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BungieONI said:
I like it! Perhaps Iron + Transference + Absorption are what is needed? Hold the iron out and then make a channel to transfer the power into the user to power them up where they can absorb it.
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I don't know how relevant it is, but Kholek uses brass to attract lightning. I don't know if it's because he is a chaos bastard or because brass is better than other metals for this purpose.
 
Something to note in the problem with trying to test out every single rune combination is if we run into the very real problem of wasting a ton of actions and extending timelines for projects. Which can be really damn bad during a daemon incursion and one of the worst in history. People may be obsessing over comboing things way, way too much considering that even without a combo one of the Armors we just made was still epic tier and it's been noted that Master runes are combo's themselves.

I wouldn't mind trying to combo things but am against constantly trying to test out combinations all the time before we work on projects. An example being the issue with the Warrior in that as mentioned people want to make Ymir and a combo that works for a Golem would probably not be one we would want to spend on the Warrior.
 
Frankly the Warrior is just straight up less urgent than the Armor.

We should prioritize all three potential testing actions to it instead.
 
Abhishek M said:
Think Master Rune of Steel would probably work better for anti spell if soulcakes hint is anything to go by. Also shouldn't we test the Warrior Gronti combo first? I dont think we will have consensus for the Golem any time soon.
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Maybe.

The Mighty Silver Titan is the Warrior's combo.
 
You know Steel is a conductor.

Master Rune of Steel, Rune of Lightning, Rune of Speed/Impact? Look aroung for a higher tier Loadsteel and maybe use the Griffons feathers for the Rune of Lightning.

BungieONI said:
Maybe.

The Mighty Silver Titan is the Warrior's combo.
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What happened fo Rune of Grimnir? I liked using that in a warrior golem.
 
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