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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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I'm a little worried that if we send the letter immediately we might get pulled into some kind of timed test thing that we don't have time for. Maybe paranoid there, but its the first thing I thought of when I saw the action for it.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
He told us, name the quarry and it will die.

He's not gonna offer that if he's not prepared for the risk.

This is not a human being, bound by the same fallacies.
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He's a Griffon, of course he's going to offer to kill something for us in exchange for the armour, it might be the only form of favour exchange he knows about.

But that doesn't necessarily mean we need to accept his first offer, especially not try to wring out of him the most dangerous favour we can think to get out of him.

jjffjhjf said:
Also, as a Dwarf aren't we supposed to be really opposed to doing work for free?
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One of our titles is 'The Gift Giver'.
 
jjffjhjf said:
I'm a little worried that if we send the letter immediately we might get pulled into some kind of timed test thing that we don't have time for. Maybe paranoid there, but its the first thing I thought of when I saw the action for it.
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The test is, "Can you make Truest Silver (Adamant)?". We can. We have effectively passed their test already, and did it decades ago, Kraggi just mis-estimated where Snorri was at when Snorri missed his hints.
 
we have a massive amount of favours with the king so getting him to found a gryphon rider corps should be possible
 
jjffjhjf said:
@soulcake would getting a ride on griffon back be something that makes it easier to make a kind of Master Rune of Free Flight or the like for in prep fro making the Sky King's armor? Or would stuff like that not really effect things?
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Not really no? Or at least, on its own it won't add progress.
BungieONI said:
This plan is identical to another one I think, just slightly different format. First up though @soulcake can we expedite the Dragonhide again? If not, meh! :V No problems there we still have decent time to finish it.
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Yeah you can, dont see why not.
 
DXCS said:
we have a massive amount of favours with the king so getting him to found a gryphon rider corps should be possible
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I doubt it. It's too big a thing. And frankly, it's kind of a dumb idea. Where exactly is it coming from? What purpose does it serve?

The only reason it's a thing is because people are in love with the concept from Warcraft and of cavalry dwarves.
 
This is a Talisman Rune:
soulcake said:
Master Rune of Passage: The wearer moves more easily through even the most difficult terrain.Necessary Ingredients: [T2] Great Eagle's Feather
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Once we research an Armor variation of it, it would likely combo well with a Rune of Speed and a Rune of Cleaving.

With luck, he'll be able to outright pass through his opponents mid-air.
 
Enthusiast#117 said:
This is a Talisman Rune:

Once we research an Armor variation of it, it would likely combo well with a Rune of Speed and a Rune of Cleaving.

With luck, he'll be able to outright pass through his opponents mid-air.
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That would be *snazzy* especially how we've seen they are already lightning fast in a fight from one Griffon that time we saw one murderize a bunch of trolls with Brokk I think it was. Might have been the apprentices too.

soulcake said:
Not really no? Or at least, on its own it won't add progress.

Yeah you can, dont see why not.
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Coolio!
 
I think the QM stated a little while back that there would be no possibility of Dwarven calvary. Well unless something crazy happens, but I wouldn't bet on it.

soulcake said:
No matter how much you change in this quest you wont get dwarf cavalry*.
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So all this talk about potentially getting an air corps or whatever is not happening, plus we're not in a rush to do his commission right now. We clearly got a lot more to focus on right now AND there's no time limit.
 
@soulcake, just to clarify, could we tell the King of the Skies that we need ingredients to make him the best armour, and just leave that up to him to find us something within the relevant parameters without that costing a favour?

Apolgies for not asking quite the right question initially.

tri2 said:
use boon to get to all the yorri locations fast?
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That seems an incredible waste.

Enthusiast#117 said:
This is a Talisman Rune:

Once we research an Armor variation of it, it would likely combo well with a Rune of Speed and a Rune of Cleaving.

With luck, he'll be able to outright pass through his opponents mid-air.
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I think I prefer an Armour Variation of the Master Rune of Currents. Add the Rune of Impact and Rune of Speed, and he'd be hillarious.
 
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Harried said:
One of our titles is 'The Gift Giver'.
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As already said, done on a bet, and done for dwarf children of our homehold, and toy gifts in question, while of great sentimental value to the children, are hardly expensive.

That's as diametrially opposite as it gets from doing a royal commision to a foreign, non-dwarf entity.
 
Enthusiast#117 said:
This is a Talisman Rune:
Master Rune of Passage: The wearer moves more easily through even the most difficult terrain.Necessary Ingredients: [T2] Great Eagle's Feather
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Once we research an Armor variation of it, it would likely combo well with a Rune of Speed and a Rune of Cleaving.

With luck, he'll be able to outright pass through his opponents mid-air.
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I wish we could use an adaptation of the Master Rune of Currents for armor.

Master Rune of Currents: The weapon cuts like the biting winds at the mountain's peak, faster, sharper and unblockable. Necessary Ingredients: [T2] Griffon's Brain

The Master Rune of Currents speaks of being sharp like the biting winds at the mountain's peak. Faster, sharper, and unblockable. And that sounds cool and fitting of course.

On the other hand... You know what's worse than a Griffon that can fly through the air and shock people?

Master Rune of Disguise: The war machine bearing this Rune will be almost invisible to enemies, aiming at it becomes difficult as minds are tricked into shooting in the wrong place. Necessary Ingredients:[T2] Invisible Diamonds

A Griffon that you can't see coming. :V Invisible flying monsters.


More seriously though, I want to give him something to protect him against Chaos; since unlike Dwarfs who spend a lot of time sheltered under mountains, and prefer to move via the Underway... Griffons are always out in the air.

So giving them defenses against Chaos sounds reasonable. That'd be the Rune of Valaya IIRC right.

Next, something that'll let him withstand blows from Monsters -- since he's more likely to get into fights with other Monsters, right? What would that be? Fortitude, I guess? There's some Rune in 6th Edition that made it so that attacks were limited to a maximum of Strength 5 against you, if I remember correctly. Kind of like an inverse of the Might weapon rune -- which doubled your Strength against opponents with Toughness of 5 or more. That'd be neat to get.

Valaya + Fortitude + Preservation? Or Gromril + Fortitude + Preservation.

Another possibility is to use a Rune of Grimnir or Grungni... If you wanted something ancestral-like. Dunno though.

Probably Fortitude, Preservation, and some other 3rd rune; either Valaya's or the Master Rune of Gromril.
 
When it comes right down to it, I think giving armour as a gift would be more valuable to us than any one-time favour; it works well with our characterisation, might upgrade our gift giver legend, and is much more likely to lead to strong, lasting bonds between at least us and the King of the Skies, and hopefully between our hold and the Greedy Griffons.

maplejvl said:
I think the QM stated a little while back that there would be no possibility of Dwarven calvary. Well unless something crazy happens, but I wouldn't bet on it.



So all this talk about potentially getting an air corps or whatever is not happening, plus we're not in a rush to do his commission right now. We clearly got a lot more to focus on right now AND there's no time limit.
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I mean, the asterisk is right there, so it's much less of a blanket statement that it could be; for all we know the asterisk connects to another one on soulcake's notes with (barring extended positive relations with the greedy griffons) written next to it.

Edit: fundamentally, I think the "Spend the boon for an ingredient, done." concept is an extension to earlier "Strange griffon? We should kill it for it's brain." ones, in that it's missing out on the tangible, long term rewards that can come from positive interactions with sentient bird-lions.
 
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Garlak said:
I wish we could use an adaptation of the Master Rune of Currents for armor.

Master Rune of Currents: The weapon cuts like the biting winds at the mountain's peak, faster, sharper and unblockable. Necessary Ingredients: [T2] Griffon's Brain

The Master Rune of Currents speaks of being sharp like the biting winds at the mountain's peak. Faster, sharper, and unblockable. And that sounds cool and fitting of course.

On the other hand... You know what's worse than a Griffon that can fly through the air and shock people?

Master Rune of Disguise: The war machine bearing this Rune will be almost invisible to enemies, aiming at it becomes difficult as minds are tricked into shooting in the wrong place. Necessary Ingredients:[T2] Invisible Diamonds

A Griffon that you can't see coming. :V Invisible flying monsters.


More seriously though, I want to give him something to protect him against Chaos; since unlike Dwarfs who spend a lot of time sheltered under mountains, and prefer to move via the Underway... Griffons are always out in the air.

So giving them defenses against Chaos sounds reasonable. That'd be the Rune of Valaya IIRC right.

Next, something that'll let him withstand blows from Monsters -- since he's more likely to get into fights with other Monsters, right? What would that be? Fortitude, I guess? There's some Rune in 6th Edition that made it so that attacks were limited to a maximum of Strength 5 against you, if I remember correctly. Kind of like an inverse of the Might weapon rune -- which doubled your Strength against opponents with Toughness of 5 or more. That'd be neat to get.

Valaya + Fortitude + Preservation? Or Gromril + Fortitude + Preservation.

Another possibility is to use a Rune of Grimnir or Grungni... If you wanted something ancestral-like. Dunno though.

Probably Fortitude, Preservation, and some other 3rd rune; either Valaya's or the Master Rune of Gromril.
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He is a king so Master Rune of Grungni has some thematic resonance or at least connection with his person, and would protect him from projectiles. Master Rune of Grungni, Rune of Valaya, Rune of Sanctuary for Protection from Arrows and Anti-Magic.


Harried said:
When it comes right down to it, I think giving armour as a gift would be more valuable to us than any one-time favour; it works well with our characterisation, might upgrade our gift giver legend, and is much more likely to lead to strong, lasting bonds between at least us and the King of the Skies, and hopefully between our hold and the Greedy Griffons.
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It isn't in character to give a thing for free, and it most importantly spits on the spirit of the deal. It leaves the King with an even greater debt, this is patronizing and a serious problem between equals. Or at least, supposed equals.
 
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BungieONI said:
He is a king so Master Rune of Grungni has some resonance with his person, and would protect him from projectiles. Master Rune of Grungni, Rune of Valaya, Rune of Sanctuary for Protection from Arrows and Anti-Magic.
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Does anyone have the technology to make ranged weapons apart from us and the elves, neither of which he's at all likely to face?
 
Alratan said:
Does anyone have the technology to make ranged weapons apart from us and the elves, neither of which he's at all likely to face?
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Yes, trolls picking up rocks and hucking them at him or trees. Chaos monsters firing blasts at him or strange mutations, or spells which would be covered by the entire Combo. Dragons fire would be one of the few things he'd have to worry about at that point.

When faced with a flying enemy the normal course is to either run or huck things at it, basically.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
I doubt it. It's too big a thing. And frankly, it's kind of a dumb idea. Where exactly is it coming from? What purpose does it serve?

The only reason it's a thing is because people are in love with the concept from Warcraft and of cavalry dwarves.
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Well, since Dwarfs don´t have Gyrocopters yet, and they won´t for millenia, giffon cavalry could serve the same purposes the gyrocopters do in Canon: scouting, anti air operations, selective bombardment, couriers, emergency supply drop, as an option for travel quicker, evacuation...

Aerial dominance is OP as fuck.

And in my case it´s more of a continuation of the joke of Snorri as Dwarf Santa, and use griffons to pull from our flying sled than anything related to Warcraft.
 
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BungieONI said:
Yes, trolls picking up rocks and hucking them at him or trees. Chaos monsters firing blasts at him or strange mutations, or spells which would be covered by the entire Combo. Dragons fire would be one of the few things he'd have to worry about at that point.

When faced with a flying enemy the normal course is to either run or huck things at it, basically.
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Those all sound like situations that wouldn't put him in serious peril though, given his speed and general prowess. He seems much more likely to be endangered when engaged in melee combat with peer opponents. Against something like a Greater Daemon or dragon an anti-ranged weapon and magic effect might do him less good than something that just makes him incredibly hard to damage.

Something like the Rune of Preservation and Rune of Guarding would help protect him from lethal attacks, whether in ranged combat or melee with enemies that have one hit kill attacks.

soulcake said:
No, itll burn your favour but give you good optics.
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Good to know. I'm actually willing to do this as an investment in the future.

What do people think?
 
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