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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Is he one tho? Like iirc he says he is but the rest of the Karaz Ankor consider him a radical too, it's just that the north is so radical that it's either extreme radical or moderate radical instead of conservatives and radicals.

He is where the Rule of Pride is concerned and that is the crux of what it means to be a Conservative Runesmith. The term is not used in a broad political sense here, but as a political ideology related to the making of runes.
 
Is he one tho? Like iirc he says he is but the rest of the Karaz Ankor consider him a radical too, it's just that the north is so radical that it's either extreme radical or moderate radical instead of conservatives and radicals.
Hang on this is why its bad to put radical conservative on a single axis.
He is an extreme conservative literalist on Rule of Pride.
He is a radical for creation of his Crucible, however he doesn't want to be doing this and sees it as the only way to battle Snorri in the culture war so it would be better to say he's a pragmatist.
On Vragni's institution, because I realize I didn't actually crosspost so I apologize. #Culture #Runesmiths
- He is making his own institution because he realizes the only way to counter your influence with Khazagar is something equally impressive.
-- He is very aware of what it will do, and hates that he's doing it.
 
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Hang on this is why its bad to put radical conservative on a single axis.
He is an extreme conservative literalist on Rule of Pride.
He is a radical for creation of his Crucible, however he doesn't want to be doing this and sees it as the only way to battle Snorri in the culture war.
Lol, I just want to see his face if we ever tell him we are proud of him . Considering that the only reason we didn't do everything is because even snorri can only do so much before running into teh no runeguild thing
 
On the other hand, Izril and Brynduraz got so salty that some hold in the North were doing this institution where it should be them who pioneered this shit that both decided to share brain cells and create their own Runesmith Institutions.

Lol.

Lmao, even.

Let's see what those two Karaks are capable of doing to top our Khazagar and Vragni's CoC.
 
@Alratan , when we first finished the research on the Rune Of Siphoning, Soulcake mentioned that Snorri had began putting out Banners with it around his various Adamant Smelters to increase their production. It was also pointed out in that same post that additional copies of the Rune did not increase the rate of recharge, but merely increased the range within which runes would recharge more quickly. So our Adamant production is up considerably, but there's also just diminishing returns from stacking the Siphoning rune in general.
The Rune List also says nothing about it being once or twice a decade to cast, which suggests that the Adamant creation process might be exceptionally draining for the Rune Array version compared to other uses. We'll have to see.
 
People are really underestimating Vrangi and the Citadel of Creation. From the Rune List:

Master Rune of Grungni's TalentStructuralMaster Rune, Lonely RuneRequest actions spent in a structure inscribed with this Rune have a 35% chance to add 1 extra progressConstant, Augment, Utility, Physical, AOE, OddUnknownOrgra Iggunsdottir
Vragni Silverbrand
Ogra IggunsdottirOnly 2 copies are in existenceSoulcake

Guess where Vrangi's copy is at?
I wonder if it's possible to leverage Snorri's Savant level skills in productivity to help develop a specialism in Productivity runes like this. I do'nt know where you'd start though. It's probably considered rude to sneak in to examine the rune to try to get a hint to start reverse engineering it...

Talking of rune trades, someone else that I'd like to see if we can stablish one with before we make the capstone gronti is this:

Name: Valma Hilldasdottir
Titles: Stoneshaper, Firebrand
Age: 590 Years Old by Dwarf Reckoning (as of the end of Turn 35)
Specialties: Engineering Rune Subset: Gronti (Mastered), Engineering Runes (Exceptional), Engineering Runes, Engineering Runes, Elgi Texts
Affiliation: Totally Kick Flipping Radical my dude
Hold: Kraka Dorde

It's one hundred and seventy years since her character sheet was updated, so she may have further developed her Gronti skills, so I'm hopefully that the massive stacked specialisms she has on Gronti

Going back to a different topic, talking about meta-runes, runes that effect other runes, it's interesting to consider what one example we have actually does:

With your growing understanding of the Winds of Magic paired with your, none too shabby, understanding of Runecraft you have found a way for the Rune to break down the energy of the Deep Magic in a process similar to the Rune of Spellbreaking, turning it into energy that any Rune can accept. The real masterstroke in your mind though, is the work you've done to contain this change to the periphery of Runes within the Rune of Siphoning's area of influence by using work similar to that found across most Warding Runes, that way you don't have free floating Winds of Magic potentially coalescing into Dhar. The final result is a Rune that dredges up the Deep Magic from below and, like those sprinkler gadgets the Engineers have set up on the ceilings of the Underfields beneath the Karak, then spreads it evenly across the whole area of the Rune's influence. Any items bearing Runes within that field are noted, and through mechanisms whose underlying properties are still unknown to you, break down the otherwise unusable energy into the regular Winds most Runes are designed to absorb.

You call it the Rune of Siphoning.

So, when a Rune of Siphoning is used, it pulls up Deep Magic, then breaks it down into the Winds, then feeds those Winds to nearby runes. It doesn't feed Deep Magic directly to the runes. The process of breaking down Deep Magic into the Winds is similar to the Rune of Spellbreaking. Notably when the Brana look at Deep Magic, they just see a collection of the Winds. This suggest to be that Deep Magic may be something similar to Qhaysh, a pattern of the Winds arranged together in harmony. Notably, according to Realms of Sorcery, most human Magister's Windsight isn't good enough to perceive the Winds when they're woven together into Qhaysh spells. This suggests that something, either a natural process or a machine, is weaving together the various Winds to produce Deep Magic.

I think it's possible that things like the Master Rune of (Runic) Amplification are doing something similar. They're taking enemy spells, breaking them down into the component energies, and then containing those energies.

Notably though, (Runic) Amplification doesn't recharge runes, while Siphoning does. This may simply be because there's not enough energy in most spells to notably recharge runes faster than ambient magic does, given that spells are also cast from the ambient magic around a caster.

Notably, neither probably includes the explicit feature to directly convert the Winds into runic energy. They just rely on the passive ability of most runes to absorb the Winds. Now, we don't know any runes that have this feature. However, we do know Ancestral Aegis explciitly converts magic into runic energy. It's the only effect we know that can do this.

If we want to develop runes with this feature, we may need to compress and so understand that combo. I wonder if the Power specialty would apply.
 
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[Non Canon] The Messenger and the Heir Part 1: An invitation, x2 +15 to a Roll


Omake: The Messenger and the Heir Part 1: An invitation


384 A.P

[] The warriors of Kraka Krum invite you for a drink. Perhaps you might learn more about why Lady Ogra Diamondback wrote to your master?

Curiosity, tempered by wisdom and sense is a vital mindfulness that all Runesmiths should seek to cultivate.

Karstah found it odd yet fascinating that two Runelords, one her Master and adoptive parental figure, and the other, the closest Dawi she had as a mentor during her time as her Journeyman, may he feast in Gazul's halls in glory gave similar advice decades apart.

She wondered whether it was wisdom to accept the invitation, but it was definitely curiosity driving her decision. The Diamondback messenger that had met with her Master outside the meeting tent most definitely piqued her interest, and while she was confident that her Master would tell her the contents of Lady Ogra's letter to him in due time, it was perhaps wise to get more context on the current going ons in Kraka Krum in general. It had been more than a century since she wandered the North.

"Welcome Drakksdottir! Join us in the campfire! Dinner is about to be served!" a longbeard thane bellowed from around a Campfire, as the young Runesmith entered the Krum's campsite. Sitting beside him was a middle age Dawi, perhaps not much older than her, dressed in the livery of Kraka Krum and Clan Diamondback. The middle age Longbeard, his hair a mix of auburn with the first touches of silver silently made the sign of the Rune of Thungni, his gesticulation patterns oddly familiar. He was the Diamondback messenger that Karstah saw this afternoon.

A Runesmith then. The message was sufficiently sensitive, that Lady Diamondback could trust a Runesmith of her clan to carry it.

Karstah concluded as she joined them, her instincts automatically greeting her elders and peers with the appropriate pleasantries, and settling into the tone of the conversation. A few questions about the current going ons of Krum and Drakk were exchanged, to spark the conversation with a life and momentum on his own.

She was, however, moving on auto-pilot, because she noted the other three gestures made subtly by the Diamondback messenger as she settled into the flow of the conversation. Speak, Privacy, After.




As the warriors got progressively drunker and began to challenge each other to drinking contests, the Diamondback messenger got up and moved towards a tent, a wordless nod to Karstah.

A few minutes later, Karstah quietly slipped out of the drinking party and entered the tent. Immediately, the bawdy noises from the camp outside fell silent, in the distinct way an area warded by Runecraft blocked out noise. The young kvinn quietly noticed a small array of privacy runes subtly hidden within the various furniture, parchment and scrolls throughout the tent, the result of her master's various tests of hiding the location of assignments during her apprenticeship.

"We meet at last, Karstah of Clan Winterhearth, adopted of the Gift Giver." His voice was sonorous and refined, almost like stone and finely woven cloth rubbing against one another. "Tarni speaks most highly of you and vouched for your character during your journey in the west." He wryly smiled. "Even if she still disagrees with your politics, she regards you as a worthy rival." He commented in a bemused tone.

Fondness. A friend of a friend? It makes sense that a son of the Diamondback knows one of Vragni's apprentices personally. Karstah's mind processed.

"I am afraid I do not have the benefit of your name, Master... ?"

"Tekton Diamondback. Great-grandson of Lady Ogra Diamondback" The Runesmith introduced himself.

"I think I've seen you in Kraka Drakk before." Karstah was sure she had seen a Runesmith with a similar quirk of gesticulation somewhere in the Karak before, but she could not place the exact time nor location.

"I do regularly visit Kraka Drakk on business for my clan, ever since I returned from my journey and became a Master." He quietly laughed. "Great Nan does not believe that her students should dwell in echo chambers." He added.

"I suppose I might start by offering you my congratulations for becoming the Gift Giver's heir. And perhaps we could trade stories about our respective journeys? But before we begin, it is polite of me to ask: by what name you like me to call you by? Khazadsdottir, Snorridottir, Drakksdottir, or by your first name?"

Until very recently, it was rare that someone asked such a question. Karstah noted to herself.

How should she reply?

[ ] Karstah

There was no need to complicate things or dwell upon which dottir she was. She was Karstah, heir of the gift giver, and this was enough for her.

"Just call me Karstah. If you claim friendship with Tarni, then you are more than welcome to call me by my first name."

Tekton Diamondback smiled.

"Then call me Tekton"

Like all Diamondbacks in the Far North, their journey whether far or narrow always led them in some way shape and form, back towards Karak Izril. Tekton's journey was a curiosity, half of it was narrow where he built himself a nest egg of independent financial stability working with structure, forts and banners, and half of it was spent on a Pilgrimage to Izril. Curiously, the Dawi dwelled much on the cuisine of each Karak he travelled on his way south, giving off the impression that the Runesmith was something of a gourmet.

It drew a picture of a Dawi that decided to not travel beyond the Far North until he was assured that he could do so with some degree of financial comfort and stability. Some might call it sensible, others that Karstah knew might call his second half of his journey towards Izril, more a holiday of indulgence rather than a pilgrimage. But there were curious allusions in his account, of Runesmiths throughout his journey south he met and dined with - through Vlag, Ungor, Kadrin, Zhufbar, Karaz a Karak, a brief stay in Karag Dorn, a decade in the Eight peaks before he finally reached Izril, that likely indicated that Tekton was building up his lore by a chain of deals down the Worlds' Edge Mountains.

He was present during the Grand Conclave of 323 A.P, taking in the sights of the Karaz Ankor, and discovering Eastern Dawi cuisine in this crossroads of the realm. Interestingly, he recounted being in the same bar as Snerra when her elevation to Runelord was announced, being invited to bar crawl with a Southern runesmith he had done business with previously, who also learned of his elevation right when he was in the same bar as Snerra. It meant double the drinks for everyone in the bar, and he wistfully recounted the mythical hangover of the day after.

It was rumoured that Thungni's chosen all went to the same tavern a few afternoons after, and slipped into a private room the owner reserved for Runelords.

That detail leapt out to Karstah, but perhaps it was because Lady Snerra asked to call her cousin not too long before this campaign started. Karstah suspected that if she spoke to Snerra regarding her adventures in the days after her ascension, she'd be kept at her cousin's house all day. Something, perhaps to look into on one of her precious free days.

The Dawi sitting opposite her stretched his arms with a yawn.

"It has been a good evening sharing our journey's together. But it is getting late, and I must rest. I have a journey back to Kraka Krum in the morning." Tekton sighed.

"Valaya guard your journey back." Karstah nodded. Perhaps she should offer to exchange letters with this Runesmith? After all, her master did regularly correspond with many Runelords, even if he had an admittedly deserved reputation for being a hermit.


[ ] Offer to exchange letters.

Tekton gave Karstah a serious look of consideration on his face.

"This could be discussed after this campaign. If it is possible" He eventually nodded.

Of course, he won't make commitments to someone whose survival, he is uncertain of. A certain part of Karstah whispered.

"I guess I shall see you when the Throng marches back through Kraka Krum then?" Karstah clarified. She knows her adoptive guardian will not bury his heir.

He chuckled, allowing his serious countenance to drop. "Sooner than you think. I will be returning with the reserves, so we might well meet again on the field of battle. Grimnir watch over the battles of you and your kin, Karstah Winterhearth."

The Heir to the Gift Giver knew it was time to leave, and politely bowed to the Messenger from the Diamondbacks. And with that, she left the tent, into the frigid air of the Norscan winter. She briefly paid her respects to the giant statue of Grimnir that was in the camp of the Throng of Krum - at least she did pick up the intent of Ogra's contribution of the campaign, even if the warriors of Krum had asked her to keep silent about it for a while little longer. A small secret trusted a minor test of character she reckoned.

Gormlhune was full that night, she idly observed, looking at the white moon briefly peaking through the Brana storm.

And with that thought, she made her way back to the camp of her Master and her Retainers. She did not quite gotten what she hoped for, but it was a satisfying and very enlightening evening nonetheless. But then again, the chances to know about the journeys of other Runesmiths not too much younger or older than her always was an interesting experience.​




A/N : I am planning six parts to this Omake series. Initially, I thought of releasing all six parts as one, but considering how long Part 1 has ballooned up too, I was advised over in the discord by @IronFist to release it part by part instead because there's a chance that if I release it all at once, it will ballon up to 10k words or more. Thanks!

All feedback is much appreciated, I think this might be the first Omake I've written for this quest. This is written in the style of a Karstah pseudo nega-quest of sorts.
 
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@Alratan , when we first finished the research on the Rune Of Siphoning, Soulcake mentioned that Snorri had began putting out Banners with it around his various Adamant Smelters to increase their production. It was also pointed out in that same post that additional copies of the Rune did not increase the rate of recharge, but merely increased the range within which runes would recharge more quickly. So our Adamant production is up considerably, but there's also just diminishing returns from stacking the Siphoning rune in general.
The Rune List also says nothing about it being once or twice a decade to cast, which suggests that the Adamant creation process might be exceptionally draining for the Rune Array version compared to other uses. We'll have to see.

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to here, but on two things:

Yes, I know that multiple Runes of Siphoning don't increase the recharge rate only change the area of the effect. That's why I think a Talisman Rune of Siphoning will increase the recharge rate the same as a banner or structural version, it would just have a tiny area of effect.

However, I do think the Rune of Siphoning stacks with the increased recharge rate of Snorri's armour.

The adamant smelter is just the talisman version of the Expurgation combo. Based on what we know it should function no differently on a talisman smelter than on a talisman ring. It's only Ancestor Runes whose precise effects vary based on the form of the item they're placed on. The Master Rune of Expurgation is simply a compressed version of that combo, so I think it should follow the same general principles.

Lol, I just want to see his face if we ever tell him we are proud of him . Considering that the only reason we didn't do everything is because even snorri can only do so much before running into teh no runeguild thing
On the other hand, Izril and Brynduraz got so salty that some hold in the North were doing this institution where it should be them who pioneered this shit that both decided to share brain cells and create their own Runesmith Institutions.

Lol.

Lmao, even.

Let's see what those two Karaks are capable of doing to top our Khazagar and Vragni's CoC.

I'm interested in what having these four different institiutions might together do to widen the Overton window.

Currently Snorri has pushed the envelop as much as possible, but if those other institutions normalise/legitimise other aspects of cooperation, it would presumably be much easier for Snorri to add them later.
 
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People are really underestimating Vrangi and the Citadel of Creation. From the Rune List:

Master Rune of Grungni's TalentStructuralMaster Rune, Lonely RuneRequest actions spent in a structure inscribed with this Rune have a 35% chance to add 1 extra progressConstant, Augment, Utility, Physical, AOE, OddUnknownOrgra Iggunsdottir
Vragni Silverbrand
Ogra IggunsdottirOnly 2 copies are in existenceSoulcake

Guess where Vrangi's copy is at?
God damnit Ogra why you didn't you sell that to us. The sheer absurd bullshit that would have caused. And you know we would have scoured the planet for every possible way to stuff power into it.
 
The adamant smelter is just the talisman version of the Expurgation combo. Based on what we know it should function no differently on a talisman smelter than on a talisman ring. It's only Ancestor Runes whose precise effects vary based on the form of the item they're placed on. The Master Rune of Expurgation is simply a compressed version of that combo, so I think it should follow the same general principles.
I am of the opinion that different applications of a different runic array might require different amount of energy expenditure to pull off the same thing. Using Expurgation to burn away magic from a random ingot of iron shouldn't require the same amount of energy to pull as it would to burn the magic out of a Demon twice Snorri's height, as an example that comes to mind.
I could be wrong, but it seems to make some amount of sense.

Edit: I was also apparently thinking of the Master Rune Of Purification's effect. I should stop posting right after waking up.
 
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I am of the opinion that different applications of a different runic array might require different amount of energy expenditure to pull off the same thing. Using Expurgation to burn away magic from a random ingot of iron shouldn't require the same amount of energy to pull as it would to burn the magic out of a Demon twice Snorri's height, as an example that comes to mind.
I could be wrong, but it seems to make some amount of sense.

Edit: I was also apparently thinking of the Master Rune Of Purification's effect. I should stop posting right after waking up.
Expurgation has also explictly been stated to have lost the ability to make adamant in the compression. As long as the recharge rate is ZonDum levels it's fine. Once a decade even is fine as long as it truely is a save or die level cast because the enemy leader is almost always a mage and having a long distance one shot on hand is worth it. At the rate Whitebeard is going, purgating a meargh a turn is an improvement over the current pace.
 
Expurgation has also explictly been stated to have lost the ability to make adamant in the compression. As long as the recharge rate is ZonDum levels it's fine. Once a decade even is fine as long as it truely is a save or die level cast because the enemy leader is almost always a mage and having a long distance one shot on hand is worth it. At the rate Whitebeard is going, purgating a meargh a turn is an improvement over the current pace.
And it looks like a lot of the plans involve marching, which should hopefully buy us another turn or two before the Chaos Rift could possibly open.
 
It actually differs per rune we're teaching. Stacking/repair has a challenge for Journeymen to pass before they're taught. The rest I think we're teaching to anyone who shows up. We can set a challenge or a restriction on a rune by rune basis if we wanted. Windsight will probably be runelord only for a bit to start.
 
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