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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Well I'm down for Rune Metal part 2, but I am pretty against picking up yet another commission in the Gazul one. One 12 action simple commission is more than enough for me.
 
I really don't want to take on the Graves commission I just don't want to take on a Simple Armor request that eat up our currently limited action pool so I'll have to pass on it. But as always I'm down to doing research if only to reduce the size of the list!
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
- [ ] An Alchemical Almanac or Four: [Cost: 3 actions and/or retainer actions] Gain an understanding of Alchemy. Rewards locked until Eltharin learned or texts translated. Scour the markets of Ravnsvake, look for any bookstore or merchant with Elven connections. Before anything can be done you need to understand just how Alchemy works on a metaphysical level. Getting the books themselves will be the quick but incredibly difficult part, actually learning and understanding the knowledge within will take far longer. Both are still difficult of course.
-- [ ] Comprehensive Knowledge: [Cost: +3 actions and/or retainer actions and 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain Specialty: Alchemy. One book is not enough. Get as many books on the subject as you can find, and make it clear that there's a Dawi with significant monetary backing looking for this information to the right people.
-- [ ] All of it, ALL OF IT: [Cost: +2 actions and or retainer actions and 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Requires Comprehensive Knowledge. Gain Specialty: Alchemy (Exceptional). Make it a long term issue, every book that gets made from this point on and finds its way here, you want, no, need to have.
-- [ ] Local Knowledge: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain 1 progress. Can be taken multiple times and without actions. Use what leverage you have, and get those with the capability to reveal their choicest goods. 8 times
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I would rather not spend this much Kraka Ravsvake favor. We don't know if we can get more easily and for how much longer, not without disrupting Plans to Research. We need ninety favor to learn Eltharin fluently and get an Exceptional Specialty in Alchemy. This spends 120 Favor, leaving 40 favor. We need 50 to learn Eltharin fluently.

It also feels a bit scummy to at least not put a few Retainer actions into it.
 
Sir LagsAlot said:
This is what I'm partial to the cult of Gazul unlike the cult of Valaya is one we have a lot of trouble increasing our standing with so I'd like to take the commissions we can with them plus we should help the colonization wave going out if we can by doing this.
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IIRC we already accepted the Valaya commission. So we might want to get our ducks lined up for that.
 
Isha and Valaya have similarities, but they're also very different. Isha is a bit more focused on the agricultural and nature side of things then Valaya, while Valaya is more focused on the home and hearth side of things then Isha.
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I would rather not spend this much Kraka Ravsvake favor. We don't know if we can get more easily and for how much longer, not without disrupting Plans to Research. We need ninety favor to learn Eltharin fluently and get an Exceptional Specialty in Alchemy. This spends 120 Favor, leaving 40 favor. We need 50 to learn Eltharin fluently.

It also feels a bit scummy to at least not put a few Retainer actions into it.
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No, it spends one Retainer action to get the extra 10 Favour, so we'll have exactly enough for both.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
@Sir LagsAlot
It takes 120 Favour for all the book stuff. Favour can take the place of actions, but there's still the regular Favour costs.
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The favor should be deducted automatically from the sub-options and as the total only comes out to eight actions we only need to take the +1 action, action eight times taking it 12 times spends extra favor we don't have for extra actions in something that doesn't need extra actions.
 
Oh. This where the Slayer Kings are born isn't it? It's going down now. Oh dear.

Anyway that intial standing of -2 seems pretty indicative on how hard getting an elgi to help us is. And Just how hard stopping the Big Throwdown will be.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Think he could take a page from the Zornish and come to us? Another boom in population from another culturally diverse Hold. Only this time less obtuse.
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I mean I wouldn't be surprised. Our hold seems to be the go-to place for a new start. It's established enough to have a decent reputation, new enough not to be too entrenched and hard for new arrivals to carve out a niche, and has access to a natural source of Gromil.

Can't really ask for better to be honest, save for being one of the Clans that got in on the ground floor as it were.
 
[] Plan Chain for Runesmiths and Gazul
-[] Dreng Them: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Additional actions add bonus modifier. The Hearth Guard will go out and slay [Write-in] monster. Gain mats, reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. 1 Retainer Action.
-[] Dumaraz: Gain Random Monster Mats, 10 Favour with Kraka Ravnsvake.
-[ ] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. 1 Retainer Action.
--[ ] Lost and Found: Gain 50 Favour +? With the Cult of Gazul. Many a Dawi lie lost, their bodies unrecovered in the distant snows of the Far North. It is a grim reality of the harshness of the land, and one that cannot be ignored.
-[] The Rune Metal Pt. 2b: [Cost: (14 -7) =7 actions] Journeyman of the Odd and Soul of the Earth will proc. 4 Actions.
-[] An Alchemical Almanac or Four: [Cost: 3 actions and/or retainer actions] Gain an understanding of Alchemy. Rewards locked until Eltharin learned or texts translated.
--[] Comprehensive Knowledge: [Cost: +3 actions and/or retainer actions and 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain Specialty: Alchemy.
--[] All of it, ALL OF IT: [Cost: +2 actions and or retainer actions and 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Requires Comprehensive Knowledge. Gain Specialty: Alchemy (Exceptional).
--[] Local Knowledge: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain 1 progress. Can be taken multiple times and without actions. Spend 80 Favor.
-[] [Simple] Grave Wardens: [Cost: 12 actions] Due end of Turn 42. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 70 Favour and 1 Standing with the Cult of Gazul. Snorri thinks another patron might be found by the end of turn 37.
--[] Accept



[] Plan Chain for Runesmiths
-[] Dreng Them: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Additional actions add bonus modifier. The Hearth Guard will go out and slay [Write-in] monster. Gain mats, reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. 1 Retainer Action.
-[] Dumaraz: Gain Random Monster Mats, 10 Favour with Kraka Ravnsvake.
-[ ] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. 1 Retainer Action.
--[ ] Lost and Found: Gain 50 Favour +? With the Cult of Gazul. Many a Dawi lie lost, their bodies unrecovered in the distant snows of the Far North. It is a grim reality of the harshness of the land, and one that cannot be ignored.
-[] The Rune Metal Pt. 2b: [Cost: (14 -7) =7 actions] Journeyman of the Odd and Soul of the Earth will proc. 4 Actions.
-[] An Alchemical Almanac or Four: [Cost: 3 actions and/or retainer actions] Gain an understanding of Alchemy. Rewards locked until Eltharin learned or texts translated.
--[] Comprehensive Knowledge: [Cost: +3 actions and/or retainer actions and 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain Specialty: Alchemy.
--[] All of it, ALL OF IT: [Cost: +2 actions and or retainer actions and 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Requires Comprehensive Knowledge. Gain Specialty: Alchemy (Exceptional).
--[] Local Knowledge: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain 1 progress. Can be taken multiple times and without actions. Spend 80 Favor.

Alright! So the only difference between these two is that one takes the Gazul commission and one does not.

Eva made a great suggestion that lets us still get done with a Render Aid thing and a Dreng them thing. I imagine this is mostly just Snorri convincing some traders to send stuff up to him with money and contracts and stuff and it allows the Hearth Guard to be out there doing other things than fetching books for their boss which I'm all for. Chain is being completed as previously discussed, which will get slowly disseminated out to where it will.

Then we go with Jreengus's idea to snap up allllllllllllll the books ahead of time just so we can prepare ahead for Eltharin in five or so turns. As for the Gazul commission I think we should do it especially with the commentary of there being more priests and apprentices than they know what to do with. Seems like Gazul has had a spike in popularity rising in the east in particular, and its always helpful to help out the folks keeping an eye out for Hashut. However I do understand that some people don't want to take it, so I've left a variant that leaves it off that people can adopt.

E: Also ugh these plans are fucking gigantic I'm cutting them down to spare mobile users.
 
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MrHobbit said:
I would rather not spend this much Kraka Ravsvake favor. We don't know if we can get more easily and for how much longer, not without disrupting Plans to Research. We need ninety favor to learn Eltharin fluently and get an Exceptional Specialty in Alchemy. This spends 120 Favor, leaving 40 favor. We need 50 to learn Eltharin fluently.

It also feels a bit scummy to at least not put a few Retainer actions into it.
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The plan earns back the extra Ravsvake favor through monster hunting so we'd have enough left for learning Eltharin fluently plus we can always just monster hunt for more.

And honestly, I'd rather have the Hearthwardens out doing good for a hold rather than shopping for books you can feel like slaying monsters and making the North safer is scummy but that's just my personal view of things.
 
[ ] Plan: Above All Else, Be Useful

-[ ] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice.
--[ ] Deep Surveying: Gain 30 Favour +? With Kraka Drakk.
--[ ] Lost and Found: Gain 50 Favour +? With the Cult of Gazul.

-[ ] Eltharin?: [Cost: 5 actions, 20 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Journeyman of the Odd will proc. Gain chance at an Elf teacher and proficient understanding of Eltharin.
--[ ] Looking for a Native: [Cost: 30 Favour from Kraka Ravnsvake] Gain Elf teacher and -fluent understanding of Eltharin.
--[ ] 1 Action

-[ ] [Simple] Grave Wardens: [Cost: 12 actions] Due end of Turn 42. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 70 Favour and 1 Standing with the Cult of Gazul. Snorri thinks another patron might be found by the end of turn 37.
--[ ] Accept
--[ ] 1 action

-[ ] [Simple] Gate to the Sea: [Cost: 5 actions] Due end of Turn 38. Productivity like No Other will proc. Gain 1 Standing with Kraka Ravsnvake. Snorri thinks another patron might be found by the end of turn 37.
--[ ] Accept
--[ ] 2 actions (+ free action)
 
Out of curiosity, can Odd Places be taken more than once?
I understand that it could, but I'm not so sure about now...
 
I feel we have to take Eltharin lessons now. If only to make ourselves slightly less unpleasant for Elfs to talk to.
 
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