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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]


The most important thing we can do is increase the throughput for runesmiths.
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course.
[Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
No matter which choice wins, Snorri is probably going to need to have a sit down and explanation with Dolgi and Fjolla to clarify matters.
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
jwolfe_beta said:
No matter which choice wins, Snorri is probably going to need to have a sit down and explanation with Dolgi and Fjolla to clarify matters.
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Honestly, this is a big reason I want Dolgi and Fjolla to help out in training Snerra, and make them feel a part of this. It feels like it's the first step to establishing bridges between different cohorts of our apprentice, which keeping Snerra for ourselves does not do.

Plus, Fjolla is family to Snerra and a fellow Female. That counts for a lot.

Infact, the fact we are entrusting them with such a talent strongly indicates the expectations and the trust we have in them, and also signals that we are hoping that they to, follow our lead and take an apprentice upon becoming a Master.

Plus, as Supersonicsound has said, the throughput of Runesmiths is a matter of vital interest to our Hold, considering how much the Royal Clan is likely to count on Runesmiths. We need to look at Snerra not just as an individual "masterwork", but also from the perspective of the Hold and the Karaz Ankor at large. And a culture of Apprentices themselves being prepared to become teachers helps a lot, since the passing down of accumulated runelore to the qualified is of vital importance.

I object strongly to the idea of seeing Snerra as a work to be done properly in isolation properly, without realizing that this "work" (if indeed we should even see her as that) exist as part of the larger structure of the hold through time and space. I feel that neglecting this element does not deserve to be called proper, because it neglects the bigger picture. But that's my personal viewpoint.
 
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Yeah, for those that missed it. This is where the GM says that she gets the same quality of training regardless.

soulcake said:
The results are technically the same, she wont be worse if the apprentices take part, but there will be a difference both narratively and when Snerra becomes an ordained Master.
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In regards to tension, at this point our early apprentices are past young adulthood, well into fullbeard status, and starting to close onto longbeard status. If we had just taught one at a time they'd have graduated last turn. Basically they're old enough and experienced/mature enough I don't really feel like a young prodigy is really going to be a huge issue for them. If they were like 4 turns into the apprenticeship maybe, but not eight turns.
 
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Thomasfoolery said:
In regards to tension, at this point our early apprentices are past young adulthood, well into fullbeard status, and starting to close into longbeard status. If we had just taught one at a time they'd have graduated last turn. Basically they're old enough and experienced enough I don't really feel like a young prodigy is really going to be a huge issue for them. If they were like 4 turns into the apprenticeship maybe, but not eight turns.
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I really want to minimize the risk that our apprentices become isolated islands unto themselves between cohorts. as opposed to closely linked between cohorts as part of the Master-apprentice chain. Above all, I really think that Snerra choosing not to take apprentices is an outcome I prefer to minimize the chances of happening, and I feel the early experiences of being taught by apprentices might in turn, later on in her apprenticeship, to prepare to also teach the very fundamentals to the next cohort of apprentices.
 
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[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]

hey, @soulcake I wanted to ask, can we spend some of our actions each turn to accelerate the training of our apprentices? or in case of Snerra to give her some extra tutelage so she can catch up to the other 2?
 
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[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
incama said:
hey, @soulcake I wanted to ask, can we spend some of our actions each turn to accelerate the training of our apprentices? or in case of Snerra to give her some extra tutelage so she can catch up to the other 2?
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This came up before and basically it's no. The curriculum is balanced such they wouldn't absorb more than what they do currently even with more actions invested.
 
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[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]

They're going to need to teach apprentices of their own, eventually, and we will take over where needed. It takes a family to build a house, after all. :)
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
Well; we made Runelord at 180. No guarantees she surpasses that, because being a Runelord is more than being great at Runes I imagine. But she'll probably be at a point where she can help with stuff faster.
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]

It teaches our apprentices how to teach and it tells them that we hope to spread the knowledge of runesmithing as far as we can without cheapening it.

mechanically our traits only proc on our actions so our actions are worth more then theirs
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, and have your older apprentices play a part in her learning, under your watchful eye of course. [Cost: Lock both apprentice actions for 3 turns where you gain 1 back until your older apprentices graduate] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]
 
[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]


Do it right.
 
avatar11792 said:
[X] Yes: You will take her, devoting the effort necessary to train this young prodigy into a proper runesmith. [Cost: Lock 1 action for minimum 6 turns] [Gain: Snerra Magnasdottir, 18-year-old Prodigy would-be Runesmith]


Do it right.
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Both ways do it right. Word of GM.
soulcake said:
The results are technically the same, she wont be worse if the apprentices take part, but there will be a difference both narratively and when Snerra becomes an ordained Master.
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It changes the narrative of the training and may have trait related effects to doing the odd but not exactly radical approach of teaching multiple batches together
 
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