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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Please note that a lot of runes we can trade for also provide a boost to movement of things so I would consider those before getting just plain research aid. That is an interesting list though. Also hyped to see the research action from Gazul

Edit - Mind of Things and runes related are the very least I would trade as that would help her further create strong Gronti.
 
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soulcake said:
You have 1 point and 0/2 Hesitance
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And as I recall, even hitting the limit creates Issues narratively, right?

Hmm, tricky. I feel like we want to show Mountainsouled, since that's probably closest to what she's looking for. But that's 3 Hesitance total and unless I've missed something, we've only got 1 -Hesitance option.
 
Huh, we can't sell her Mountainsouled by any measure, as it's +2 Hesitation, and it requires Unyielding, which is +1 Hesitation. +3, so goes over.

That's.

Annoying.

EDIT: No we can buy it if we go for all future translations. Phew.
 
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Hmm! Selling everything but Prosthesis, Forged Limb, and Mountainsouled would net us 56 points, plus our starting one for a total of 57. Though I kinda wanna give it to her since that's what she'd need to boost her gronti to new heights.

Buuut that involves hitting 2/2 hesitance. Hmm.
 
We can give her Unyielding as a hint of sorts at the very least. Hopefully she can take the hint and look into combos around it.
 
I say buy wise we buy those Elvish books and research progress into movement of things. That's my personally desire at least after just because we an doesn't mean we need to buy everything from her and vice versa.
 
BungieONI said:
So question, do we have to specify Unyielding in a plan that includes this combo, thus meaning we have a total of 3 Hesitance?
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You can if you want, but if you pick it Im assuming you're putting it in regardless since I made it clear one needs the other.

Now that I think about it, maybe for my sanity's sake actually do put both in yes. :^V
 
I simply refuse to hold back so much this time.
-- Waking, Non-Dwarf Body Plan Variant, Worth: 4 points
-- Currents, Worth: 4 points
-- Blizzards, Worth: 4 points
-- Infernos, Worth: 4 points
-- Valaya [Armour], Worth: 4 points
-- Unyielding, Worth: 6 points, +1 Hesitance
-- Wandering, Worth 4 points
-- Grimnir [Weapon], Worth 3 points.
- Regular Runes:
-- Refraction, Worth: 1 point
-- Speech, Worth: 2 points
-- Mind of Things, Worth: 2 points to get her started down the path, +1 point per extra progress, max 9 points total (so 2 + 7 points of extra progress hypothetically). 8 points
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-- Waking, Improved Variant [Engineering]: (Improved speed, strength and overall performance of Master Rune of Waking), +1 to Movement of Things, Cost: 4 points
-- Waking [Weapon]: Allows the weapon to follow orders or act under its own power, but is still subject to the laws of physics( so a sword won't levitate and a crossbow can't reload without an existing mechanism though a bit of engineering mitigates such issues.), +1 to Movement of Things, Cost: 3 points
-- Waking [Armour]: Allows a suit of armour to follow orders or act under its own power, or aid the wearer, +1 to Movement of Things, Cost: 4 points
-- Waking, Improved Variant [Talismanic]: Allows talismans to act under its own power, activating effects on their own and under pre-set conditions with perfect control and timing without input, +1 to Movement of Things, Cost: 4 points
- Regular Runes:
-- Empowerment: Boosts linked Gronti performance for a short period of time, Gronti become sluggish for an equivalent amount of time afterwards, Cost: 3 points
-- Waking Improved Variant [Engineering]: (Improved speed, strength and overall performance), +1 to Movement of Things, Cost: 2 points

- Elgi Magical Textbooks:
-- The Readings and Insights of the Winde of Metal/Order/Chamon by Avalrith of the House of Serantor, most esteemed Maige of the Kingdom of Saphery, Cost: 2 points
-- In Progress Book Translations, Cost: 2 points per book, delivered when complete(Currently: Tomes on Azyr, Aqshy, Hysh, and Understanding Elementales/Constructs) 8 points
-- Right to buy or trade for all future translations, Cost: 8 points, -1 Hesitance
- Research:*
-- Movement of Things, Cost: 1 point per progress, max 6 points total 6 points

44 point exchange
 
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@soulcake, question. How much does the mind of things research we could give fall under the same sort of issues as Prosthesis and Forged Limb do? It's a different context from the Rune of Prosthesis and Forged Limb, so I was pondering if it has the same issues.
 
Since we can't really give her Mountainsouled without making Snorri rather tetchy about it, why not fork over both Unyielding and Travelling, together with her -1 Hesitance thing for a total of 1/2? Gives her a chance to prove herself and get the full combo in the future.
 
According to napkin math, buying everything but Movement of Things progress is 50 points.

So that may be good to know.
 
soulcake said:
Then a blinding flash of light as one of the figures clothed in black lifted a torch to his strings, burning them off before moving to do the same to others. The figure is harried, assaulted in its quest, destroying monsters whose strings demand they not die yet can do nothing against his flame. An eternity cutting as many threads as it can through effort and force of will before it crumples to the ground. The puppet masters are enraged, the sea of strings half-burned and destroyed, the tapestry of Fate frayed.​
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Pretty sure that is Gazul.
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Visions of a swirling vortex, a lone figure standing in the cold, the burned threads above them that would have made the image of a ruined world.

A Bull of Iron, a Griffon of Ice and lightning, their threads ripped in half and tied to another respectively.
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Caledor, Hashut and the King of the Skies, i think. Wonder why the latter two are connected.

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The reward is dropped off.​
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One day, Snorri is going to accumulate trinkets and knick-knack from all the Ancestors. And it'll be a priceless collection.
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A silver figure wades through the enemy, fire and light erupt from his hammer while he shrugs off everything thrown at him with contemptuous ease.
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I just love operating on such high tier. No underestimation. Instead, everyone is going, this guy is a lot more badass than i thought/ this guy is kicking my ass.
soulcake said:
- Elgi Magical Textbooks:
-- The Readings and Insights of the Winde of Metal/Order/Chamon by Avalrith of the House of Serantor, most esteemed Maige of the Kingdom of Saphery, Cost: 2 points
-- In Progress Book Translations, Cost: 2 points per book, delivered when complete(Currently: Tomes on Azyr, Aqshy, Hysh, and Understanding Elementales/Constructs)
-- Right to buy or trade for all future translations, Cost: 8 points, -1 Hesitance
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We're gonna turn Snorri into a freaking Loremaster, one way or another. Millennia from now, there's gonna be Imperial Wizards studying an insight into the Winds of Magic written by Snorri Gift Giver. A Dwarf Runelord scholar of the Winds of Magic.
 
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Mmm... I could see us giving her Unyielding right now but not Mountainsouled with a mindset of "We'll check back in a couple centuries and see if she's figured it out herself."

I mean, I'd have preferred giving her the combo in full, but that requires going up to 2/2 Hesitance even with the -1 Hesitance option, which isn't something I'm willing to do.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
I simply refuse to hold back so much this time.
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Yeah i am for all that BUT prosthesis and forged limbs, for the reasons @Dark as Silver and @BungieONI were arguing about. I do not want to kick off the schism plot line, thank you very much. risk is not worth it.

As another note the movement of things is a lesser concern given how many of her trades give us a boost there. in fact @soulcake wouldn't the trade be however many point minus the insights we get from her runes for the trade?
 
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CuriousRaptor said:
Yeah i am for all that BUT prosthesis and forged limbs, for the reasons @Dark as Silver and @BungieONI were arguing about. I do not want to kick off the schism plot line, thank you very much. risk is not worth it.

As another note the movement of things is a lesser concern given how many of her trades give us a boost there. in fact @soulcake wouldn't the trade be however many point minus the insights we get from her runes for the trade?
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Oh yeah, that's a thing. I can fix that.

Edit: Done, they've been switched out for runes of equivalent value, no change in Hesitance.
 
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