Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
She's firing the same thing as lasers, but not generating them the same way.
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She's firing the same thing as lasers, but not generating them the same way.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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- They/Them
They're more beams. We could probably walk it back onto or near her if we tried.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Opened up an old tab, saw this. Well, hopefully this helps:what
edit: Highlighted the relevant bit
Just wanted to point out: from an argumentative standpoint, this holds no water.
Yes, prisoner is a synonym of hostage. They are similar terms. That is in no way surprising. However, you did not screencap the definition for "hostage", only for "prisoner", and what you did show backed up my claim.
A prisoner is held against their will, yes. A hostage is explicitly used for leverage along with the threat of harming/killing the hostage should demands not be met. In no part of any of my posts did making a hostage out of Rin, using her for leverage, or making any kind of threats to her or to Sendai on Rin's behalf.
Really, this isn't even about the actual argument anymore. This is just about due diligence to debate, clarity, and civil discourse.
Because if we're going to argue over the definition of terms, making sure we have such basics covered as "screencapping the right word in a dictionary", "making shit up about what someone else has said", and "similar /=/ the same" is an absolute must.
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
Take your little contest to PMs that goes for whoever you are arguing with too.
Gadjo
Doka
Yeah, the incident you're describing happened many pages ago. I get that you want to show everyone you were right, but the moment's passed. Here, come debate some grief science with us and whether it would be practical to try it in a live fire situation without any testing.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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- They/Them
Well, yeah, it would be mostly poking fun. Especially, if we're calling her Mom while were doing it.
I can't conceive of actually being mad while referring to Homu as our mother.
Edit: Momura, Homu-mom?
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Crasian01
Insane Incubator
Well if your options are "trying something crazy and stupid" or "die screaming"....
Muramasa
Best Girl
Gadjo
Doka
We're referring to the !Fan Theory that Madoka's wish in the previous timeline is what poofed us into existence, and that Homu had a hand in it because she made Madoka's wish possible with her time travel shenanigans. Though if that's the case, Homura would be closer to our father than mother...
PhantomFractions
I can (not) type fast enough
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- Australia
Seconding this - damn I'd like to see the fight again from their perspective.
Less to see the personality conflicts, etc.
More to see Sabrina and Co. tank their ambush (which, lets face it, should by rights have flattened just about anyone you care to mention) and come out of it having hulk-smashed Akiko, kidnapped Tamiko and all but torn Moe in half, as well as seemingly ignoring the gravity-tsunami combo - with only a broken arm, a few burns and a really foul mood.
Dunno about the rest of you, but I might've overhyped Sabrina's power in my mind, thus leading to overconfidence - this ambush has somewhat corrected that assumption, so that can only be a good thing - respect your enemy and all that.
That said, it'd be a lovely salve to my bruised ego to see the change from 'Yeah, ROFLstomped UG in 10 seconds flat - too easy' to 'HOLY SHIT! What the hell IS this bitch and why isn't she going down!?'
[x]Cannongerbil
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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- Soviet Lunar Base
*sigh*
I'm reasonably certain that trying to reflect her beams back onto Ramiel is a non-starter. Deflect them, probably, but she is after all light controller. She can probably just redirect the laser back into our faces.
Muramasa
Best Girl
If she had that much control over her blasts, our shields would've been a good deal less useful here.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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- Soviet Lunar Base
I'm getting the impression that it's a limited radius sort of thing. She can manipulate light in a limited range around her, but once she's focused light into a laser beam it remains a laser beam even after it exits that radius. It certainly fits what we've seen of her build-up before she attacks, and also explains why she is attacking us from close range instead of picking us off from a kilometer out.
Gadjo
Doka
Right, but if she is attacking from insider her manipulation range, she could just redirect the lasers around the shields. If we are able to redirect them and aim them in the middle of an intense firefight, we could hit her, I think. More seriously, however, that could cause some serious collateral damage.
Also, no need to be sarcastic with salty; it just causes arguments.
You realize Sabrina, at MAXIMUM MURDERFACE, would be leaving behind little more than piles of hamburger meat and bone splinters?
Fun facts!
"Undue alarm" (the last chapter before this) began at page 484, last Oct. 12, 2014!
This chapter, "We've got hostiles" (indeed), began at page 608, last Nov 7, 2014!
(does that make this the longest chapter so far?)
We are *still* at Arc ONE!
We are so fucking behind our grief SCIENCE!!!
"Undue alarm" (the last chapter before this) began at page 484, last Oct. 12, 2014!
This chapter, "We've got hostiles" (indeed), began at page 608, last Nov 7, 2014!
(does that make this the longest chapter so far?)
We are *still* at Arc ONE!
We are so fucking behind our grief SCIENCE!!!
- Location
- Somewhere near L1... I think
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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- They/Them
Then we hit Gravity girl or somebody else nearby.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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- Soviet Lunar Base
This illustrates the idea I'm trying to convey. Basically, Ramiel can manipulate light within that central circle, but any lasers that she shoots from that circle remains effective and destructive out to the outer circle. Reflecting lasers back into her manipulation range will just allow her to redirect them back at us.
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Hard to say without a better description of the process. We know she glows when shooting. We know what the results of the shot are. We'd find out the process if we engaged her in close, I think.
This illustrates the idea I'm trying to convey. Basically, Ramiel can manipulate light within that central circle, but any lasers that she shoots from that circle remains effective and destructive out to the light radius. If we reflect her lasers right back at her, she'll be able to just redirect it back into us.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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- They/Them
She's been firing from inside our range like this whole time.
This illustrates the idea I'm trying to convey. Basically, Ramiel can manipulate light within that central circle, but any lasers that she shoots from that circle remains effective and destructive out to the outer circle. Reflecting lasers back into her manipulation range will just allow her to redirect them back at us.
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aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
- Location
- Laniakea Supercluster
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- She/Her
I am reluctant to call what Sasami does as lasers. Because while she is belting out coherent, collimated beams of light, she does none of amplification by stimulated emission of radiation. But that's just the pedant in me nitpicking.
I'm reasonably sure that the intent here is for her power to be basically the effect of lasers, just produced by *magic* instead of SCIENCE!
PhantomFractions
I can (not) type fast enough
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- Australia
Yup, that's the precise reason I was overconfident.
Unfettered - Sabrina's OP to absurd degrees. However, our ability at Max Murderface (tm) has no bearing on our ability when we're restricting ourselves to non-lethal.
It's vaguely reminiscent of giving someone choice of a gun or a nuke - don't matter how easy the nuke would win the fight if you refuse to use it. And once you refuse to use it, you can't just say, "oh, I could just nuke 'em all easy-peasy. No threat at all" - you've got to adjust your thinking to, "right, I've only got a gun" - or something.... *shrug of IDK*
Though speaking of which, gotta hand it to Yumi, I thought that gem pull was O.H.K.O if you got caught by it - she proved me wrong spectacularly. Seems like she had a counter for our ability just waiting to go ... then again, she could've just instinctively caught her flying soul gem because she understood the gravity of the situation.
*Banished to isolation field for use of excessively bad pun*