Appletank
Acquire Cheese
Besides being a gacha game, PMAS was planned and written before Magia Record came out, and therefore would be too much of a pain to rework everything just to include that.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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All in all, I think that went quite well.
[X] Torgamous
I also like that this also aligns nicely with the instructions for defeating Gretchen in her witch description.
No. We were quite clear that we are worried if the Law and the Devil learn this information it would be BAD. Which implies none of the people in the bubble with us are the Law or the Devil.
This looks more or less perfect as an answer to Yuki's question about our plan.
[X] Torgamous
I also like that this also aligns nicely with the instructions for defeating Gretchen in her witch description.
Mm. Well, glad to be wrong.
ExploerTM
Ruin has found you at last!
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- Russia, Perm
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[X] Torgamous
...fuck we absolutely should. Next time we interacting with this bastard we must ask this at any cost. We need to write it down somewhere...
Other stupid tangent questions I want to ask him: What are the magical girl sexuality statistics? It's well-acknowledged that a large majority of magical girls are gay (to the point where the one magical girl we met who had a boyfriend elicited shocked reactions from everyone we told about it) but what are the actual numbers involved? Is this effect because being a girl who likes girls is correlated with magical potential (having the ability to crystalize your heart's desire into a wish seems in many cases to involve a kind of dissatisfaction with your life and inability to fit neatly into society that seems plausibly correlated with being queer), is it because living the life of a magical girl strongly pushes you towards liking women (a series of intense, violent, and traumatic experiences that you share with other magical girls as your comrades in arms, secrets you can only talk about with other magical girls, a tendency for your social connections to become almost exclusively other magical girls, etc), or is it some complex combination of the two?
Without the ability to conduct large-scale demographic surveys Kyubey is our only source on the topic
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- United States
I mean, this scientific study from 2012 says that it's the best from a health perspective, and I highly doubt Kyubey would care about subjective variables like taste.
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If we're going to ask Kyubey things just to satisfy our curiosity, I still want to know where he got the idea boys aren't as emotional as girls. I could see him just not understanding emotions and uncritically accepting pop culture stereotypes, but if he's been around as long as he implies he has, the pop culture stereotypes about that would have reversed more than once during his time here.
Of course, we all know what Kyubey's implications are worth. Maybe we would have been living in caves without Incubator intervention in his opinion not because he has actually been around before human civilization came into being, but because he showed up during the Cold War and one of the first wishes was that there wouldn't be a nuclear war. He assumes, because he considers us all insane anyway, that we absolutely would have bombed ourselves back to the Stone Age and used that to imply his presence on Earth much earlier than he actually had when trying to manipulate Madoka.
I think I like that one a lot, since it would imply he was aping pre-existing Magical Girl media for his system in order to make everyone easier to manipulate rather than Magical Girl media coming about as Kyubey deciding to help produce propaganda. And in general it makes the butterfly effect less problematic between our real world timeline, the Witch timeline and the Wraith timeline the shorter the period of history Kyubey's been messing with.
Sure, this doesn't work with Tart, and makes the historical Magical Girls trickier, but multiverse theory could put those girls in alternate timelines where Kyubey showed up at different points in time.
Of course, we all know what Kyubey's implications are worth. Maybe we would have been living in caves without Incubator intervention in his opinion not because he has actually been around before human civilization came into being, but because he showed up during the Cold War and one of the first wishes was that there wouldn't be a nuclear war. He assumes, because he considers us all insane anyway, that we absolutely would have bombed ourselves back to the Stone Age and used that to imply his presence on Earth much earlier than he actually had when trying to manipulate Madoka.
I think I like that one a lot, since it would imply he was aping pre-existing Magical Girl media for his system in order to make everyone easier to manipulate rather than Magical Girl media coming about as Kyubey deciding to help produce propaganda. And in general it makes the butterfly effect less problematic between our real world timeline, the Witch timeline and the Wraith timeline the shorter the period of history Kyubey's been messing with.
Sure, this doesn't work with Tart, and makes the historical Magical Girls trickier, but multiverse theory could put those girls in alternate timelines where Kyubey showed up at different points in time.
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Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
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- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
I imagine QB has transcended needing something as trivial as electromagnetic radiation to boil water, though. But who knows, maybe he is a traditionalist.
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- Not the asylum anymore
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Another factor may be that queer people generally have worse home lives and poorer mental health, due to all the systemic discrimination and homophobia and so forth that pervades society. All of that would make for an easier witch-out compared to cishet girls, and mayhaps Kyubey deliberately targets queer girls as witch bait.
Granted, I'm not sure how much the systemic queerphobia is present in PMAS-TL versus OTL; could be someone wished it away, same way the idol industry was wished to not be hilariously exploitative.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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Consider also that there's never been a point in our evolutionary history in which humans primarily lived in caves. It's been a minority from the start.
It's a minority now, too, and not as small a one as you'd think.
If Kyubey hadn't shown up, we'd still be living in caves. If Kyubey had shown up, we'd still be living in caves. Sometimes caves are just convenient to live in.
Oh yeah I was about to point out that Tart is one of the timelines Sabrina came into existence knowing about so Kyubey's been around since at least the early 1400s. Even so I think we should absolutely take his claim that we'd be living in caves without him as some kind of carefully phrased technically true lie. After all the world we live in doesn't have incubators and it looks mostly the same as PMMM. The effect he's had on humanity isn't nothing but he's clearly exaggerating his relevance
TJSomething
That's... that's impossible!
Didn't Firn say that in PMAS, the Sun wouldn't have formed if it weren't for the Incubators?
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I recall him saying they are responsible for the observed values of the cosmological constant matching those in our world, and that the "real" cosmological constant in PMAS is different. I don't recall anything about the sun's formation. Might've happened, but that would have confirmed alien Magical Girls, which I had thought was a more ambiguous situation in PMAS.
Well you know if we're asking Kyubey stuff just to satisfy our curiosity we could explicitly ask about alien magical girls. There's no guarantee we'd get a real answer but I doubt he has a good reason to keep it from us
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- Australia
I think that's just a setting conceit to explain why there's no magical boys.
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- Florida
A little late to the game, but I was rereading a bit after looking up a scene on a mental tangent, and Homura did explain the circumstances of her wish and time travel to Mami. And that Madoka made a wish that was highly likely to be the reason Sabrina exists and knows as much as she does. Mami should have
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I'm happy to confirm it for her next time we're in private if she hasn't already figured it out. The vote to withhold names was made because we were in mixed company.
I think we have a day planner?
And I'm pretty sure I got editing permissions . . .
If I can figure out how to edit it without breaking everything I'll probably note down all these questions:
What's the best way to make tea? Should we microwave it?
Why are magical girls so gay?
What is the prevalence of homosexual activity among magical girls?
Why don't you turn any boys into magical girls? How do you know this information (on emotional energy efficiency and whatnot)? (My personal speculation is that the Incubators tested it once and have been basing contracts on that ever since)
Are there other planets that you're using for energy harvesting?
When did your kind come to Earth?
What's Incubator society like?
I've noticed that you aren't doing things to their maximum efficiency. For instance: Why don't you/your species vastly increase the # of humans? More humans = more energy, right?
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Will you give me all the Grief Seeds you have if I empty them out and give you back the Grief?
You seem to operate under a framework that humans would consider a "moral" system- you seem to have certain general rules that you can't break. This includes the general non-interaction policy you have with humanity (you don't seem to care *too* much about your goals of reducing entropy and you don't lie.) What are they?
If witches could be reliably turned back into magical girls, how would that change your logic?
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We don't actually want to fight you. If we could reconcile and not come into conflict, then that would be for the best. However, as you likely know, there are certain actions that we cannot do- Moral Anathema, you could say. So- do you have any ideas for mutual cooperation that would benefit your goals and mine?
And I'm pretty sure I got editing permissions . . .
If I can figure out how to edit it without breaking everything I'll probably note down all these questions:
What's the best way to make tea? Should we microwave it?
Why are magical girls so gay?
What is the prevalence of homosexual activity among magical girls?
Why don't you turn any boys into magical girls? How do you know this information (on emotional energy efficiency and whatnot)? (My personal speculation is that the Incubators tested it once and have been basing contracts on that ever since)
Are there other planets that you're using for energy harvesting?
When did your kind come to Earth?
What's Incubator society like?
I've noticed that you aren't doing things to their maximum efficiency. For instance: Why don't you/your species vastly increase the # of humans? More humans = more energy, right?
Edit:
Will you give me all the Grief Seeds you have if I empty them out and give you back the Grief?
You seem to operate under a framework that humans would consider a "moral" system- you seem to have certain general rules that you can't break. This includes the general non-interaction policy you have with humanity (you don't seem to care *too* much about your goals of reducing entropy and you don't lie.) What are they?
If witches could be reliably turned back into magical girls, how would that change your logic?
Edit:
We don't actually want to fight you. If we could reconcile and not come into conflict, then that would be for the best. However, as you likely know, there are certain actions that we cannot do- Moral Anathema, you could say. So- do you have any ideas for mutual cooperation that would benefit your goals and mine?
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As a more serious one for the list:
Will you give me all the Grief Seeds you have if I empty them out and give you back the Grief?
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- Australia
Let's not ask anything that gives them ideas. And besides, they did. Modern human population is because of modern technology, and magical girls are behind the technology level of Earth in PMMM.
The answer to this is likely the same alien sense of ethics that makes them never directly lie but constantly deceive with statements that are only technically true or obsess over getting verbal consent for a contract while simultaneously doing everything short of direct physical intervention to force girls to give that consent. There are a million ways they could go about increasing energy production efficiency by changing things about humanity but they seem to believe it's most ethical to let us roam free instead of factory farming us
Romka
Master of Stealth
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- In a barrel
I think its very unlikely he'll accept this. Grief seeds generate new grief remember? Even assuming seed free grief is exactly as efficient as a grief seed, he'd be losing out on new generation.