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ExploerTM said:
I keep forgetting, do I need to revote if vote gets updated down the line?
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When you name vote for someone, you don't have to re-vote when the person's vote changes.

You can even vote for someone before they've made a vote and it will register properly. This is handy if you expect to not have the time to go over the details later and there is someone you trust that you want to lend additional support to. I've done it myself a couple times.
 
So, as y'all can probably guess, I want to give out as much information as we can as quickly as possible. I feel it's far safer that way.

Thus, when it becomes relevant, here's what I'd like to say:

Mami:
[] Tell her about the witch bomb.
[] Tell her about the extent of our meta knowledge, and note our concerns with it.

If we want to completely reveal things to Madoka and Homura, here's what I'd say:

Madoka:
[] I want to tell you something, a very important something, but I'm scared. I'm afraid that if I do you won't be you anymore. That you won't care about your friends and family, or, even worse, feel or be as though you CANNOT be around them. Not thinking the same, being unrecognizable. But I'm not sure if this will happen, or if it even matters. Do you want me to tell you?
-[] If "yes", tell her EVERYTHING.

Homura:
[] I want to tell you something very important, but I'm scared. I'm scared that if I do you won't be you anymore, that if I do your goals and love will shift to the point of complete obsession and madness. But I'm not sure if this will happen, or if it even matters. Do you want me to tell you?
-[] If "yes", tell her EVERYTHING

Two things to note:

Yes, I know that things could go horribly wrong. That's why there's a conditional there.

I didn't put much detail there. Didn't make it too elaborate. Why? Well, we've discussed it enough on the thread to make such a thing unnecessary. These are a representation of Sabrina's thoughts, so there's no need to restate things.
 
Arum60 said:
So, as y'all can probably guess, I want to give out as much information as we can as quickly as possible. I feel it's far safer that way.

Thus, when it becomes relevant, here's what I'd like to say:

Mami:
[] Tell her about the witch bomb.
[] Tell her about the extent of our meta knowledge, and note our concerns with it.

If we want to completely reveal things to Madoka and Homura, here's what I'd say:

Madoka:
[] I want to tell you something, a very important something, but I'm scared. I'm afraid that if I do you won't be you anymore. That you won't care about your friends and family, or, even worse, feel or be as though you CANNOT be around them. Not thinking the same, being unrecognizable. But I'm not sure if this will happen, or if it even matters. Do you want me to tell you?
-[] If "yes", tell her EVERYTHING.

Homura:
[] I want to tell you something very important, but I'm scared. I'm scared that if I do you won't be you anymore, that if I do your goals and love will shift to the point of complete obsession and madness. But I'm not sure if this will happen, or if it even matters. Do you want me to tell you?
-[] If "yes", tell her EVERYTHING

Two things to note:

Yes, I know that things could go horribly wrong. That's why there's a conditional there.

I didn't put much detail there. Didn't make it too elaborate. Why? Well, we've discussed it enough on the thread to make such a thing unnecessary. These are a representation of Sabrina's thoughts, so there's no need to restate things.
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Speedrun "Kill everyone and blow up the world any%" lmao

Though, I do have to admit that theoretically we can tell not world ending truths and make our listeners live through it via forcibly restraining them and ripping grief out of their soul gems until they process the information. I dont think I have to say how... ahem... unpleasant this would be. But, if push really, really, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY comes to shove we have this option
 
ExploerTM said:
Speedrun "Kill everyone and blow up the world any%" lmao

Though, I do have to admit that theoretically we can tell not world ending truths and make our listeners live through it via forcibly restraining them and ripping grief out of their soul gems until they process the information. I dont think I have to say how... ahem... unpleasant this would be. But, if push really, really, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY comes to shove we have this option
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That wasn't what I was trying to say

On the Madoka and Homura ends, those are if we agree that telling them is a good idea. Ie. A possibility that we are scared to do for the reasons stated in the examples.

On the Mami end, if we don't diffuse the witch bomb *soon* then it'll explode. Either we tell her, Kuybey tells her, or someone witches out and she has to deal with a new revelation *on top of* a witch encounter. We need to tell her soon or *something else will*, most likely something we aren't anticipating.

As I stated before, the context is different.

For the Madoka and Homura stuff, it's less urgent unless Kuybey knows the potential bomb and the potential bomb is enough to activate what we're scared of. (My memory is faulty on what Kuybey knows)

In the end, I consider everything Kuybey knows to be a ticking time bomb as long as his goals are misaligned with ours. If Kuybey has an infohazard, then we should defuse it before he can abuse it.
 
Nerevar said:
Fortunately, she isn't. Asimov's books were, after all, a long meditation on the many, many ways those can go horribly wrong.
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Seconding this

In fact, I'll go as far to say that we don't have a philosophy that even attempts to do what those laws do, and even if we did our actions don't follow it.

And that's ok! That can be taken too far, after all.

Edit:

We just do our best, or try to anyway.

(If you want I can list some things that come to mind)

Edit:

Honestly, the way I'd describe our moral system is basically a standard human tribalism. Ie. We care about our main group, the people that we know, and we care significantly less about anyone else.

For instance, we could kill every witch in the city. This would prevent witch-related deaths, and then we could empty out the seeds. Thus, a significant portion of the population is significantly better off. We'd also have a backup for cleanses and plenty of material for our dewitching efforts.

We don't because we value our group more.

Perhaps we're more altruistic than average, but we're *not* a pinnacle of morality. We have people that we care about and we care significantly less about people who aren't them.

Edit:

But, as I said before, this is *ok*
 
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rxliuli said:
This is a great fan novel about Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Can I translate it into Chinese and publish it on bilibili? and the author and this link will be declared on the first page. @Firnagzen
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If I were you, I'd discuss this over DMs with him. I think it's a cool idea, and I'd love to see more PMAS fans, but I'm also not the author so my words mean little in that regard.
 
[X] Nerevar

ExploerTM said:
I keep forgetting, do I need to revote if vote gets updated down the line?

Just in case

[X] Nerevar
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Yeah, namevotes automatically vote for the latest vote that person makes. They can even go through other namevotes; e.g. if I voted for you it would automatically vote for Nerevar. If you place a caret (^) before the name (ala ^Nerevar) it will only vote for their current vote and won't update if they do.
 
[X] Nerevar

Hopefully this is the best course of action.
 
Firnagzen said:
Point of clarification, just so I don't hiccup on this fairly crucial point: by "the timeline you know about", do you mean Sabrina's metaknowledge of previous timeloops, or are you referring to Oriko's visions as the timeline in question?
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This was intended to be metaknowledge, specifically relating to the main timeline of the series plus Rebellion.

Oriko seems to have had visions relating to Sabrina.
 
Nerevar said:
-[X] Sabrina doesn't exist in the timeline she knows about.
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Firnagzen said:
Point of clarification, just so I don't hiccup on this fairly crucial point: by "the timeline you know about", do you mean Sabrina's metaknowledge of previous timeloops, or are you referring to Oriko's visions as the timeline in question?
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Nerevar said:
This was intended to be metaknowledge, specifically relating to the main timeline of the series plus Rebellion.

Oriko seems to have had visions relating to Sabrina.
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It occurs to me I ought to just go ahead and update that line for clarification in the vote proper:


[X] I don't know

[X] Speculation:
-[X] Sabrina doesn't exist in the main timeline she knows about through her metaknowledge.
--[X] Incidentally, if that's destiny, fuck destiny.
-[X] Perhaps Sabrina can change things, but Feathers crudely shoves things back on track when Sabrina's back is turned.
-[X] Oriko said Sabrina and Homura working together could change destiny. Perhaps Homura's involvement can "lock in" changes.
--[X] Sabrina and Homura are not united on Oriko. If this is true, fixing that is how we save Oriko.

[X] Oriko questions:
-[X] Can you confirm or deny the speculation?
--[X] If not, what did you mean when you said that?
-[X] In your first answer: Who is "she"? What is the missing fragment? Why is "she" searching for it? Where is it?

[X] Sabrina questions:
-[X] Don't conceal answers about Sabrina

[X] Explain Madokami's ascension and the Rebellion
-[X] Don't identify Homura or Madoka
-[X] Don't mention the loops or why Madoka's potential was so high
-[X] Avoid the Witchbomb. The Law of Cycles wish was to eliminate Witches before they're born. Don't elaborate further.

(164 Words)
 
Torgamous said:
Gets way too close to the witchbomb for comfort if we ever go into any detail about what Gretchen actually did. This is why, instead of even signaling "here there be secret," my draft described Madohalla as a complete product.
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Not sure if we've ever touched on this, but do we know what Firn is going with in terms of Madokami's "Madohalla", or even his position on the whole Rebellion thing? There's a ton of different views on it and the explanation we give would depend massively on the particular setting (and thus the GM's opinion).

For example, the votes mention a magical girl heaven, but that seems like quite an assumption. Canon seems to be that there isn't an actual afterlife, just a kind of relatively peaceful death/sleep compared to witches - but the author can change this as they like, and a lot of authors do so. Trying to say that Madoka's fate as Madokami is painful/worth being prevented is also an assumption if Firn doesn't believe it.

I just want this clarified because of that one snippet where we're manually directing stars to extend the universe, and Madokami comes in to check on us. IIRC Madokami basically goes "Mami's waiting for you!" and she seems fine, which implies that a "heaven" does exist where Madokami can interact with people and where magical girls can talk to each other. Which kind of defeats most of the point of this quest….? Most of Madokami's suffering is based on loneliness and the idea that she's shouldering her burdens completely by herself. That snippet suggests that this isn't how the Law of Cycles works here, as Mami (and presumably everyone else) is conscious enough to want to spend time with Sabrina. And it makes me wonder what the GM is going with in terms of how the Law of Cycles functions.

Also, sorry, almost forgot my vote:

[X] Nerevar
 
Torgamous said:
News to me. Where do Rebellion Sayaka and Nagisa come from?

There's also a canon source in which Nagisa says Madohalla doesn't have cheese in it. Might be Rebellion for all I know, I still haven't gotten around to watching that.
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The fuck Madoka, how do you make an afterlife without cheese in it?

Clearly Madoka is evil and should be sealed away for 1000 years.
 
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