Vermin, faulty structural members, leaks, mold... other reasons a building may be condemned?
Do you Think Yukis power cares for these things?
You think she'll let part of her domain burn down?
 
Would claiming one of Mitakihara's many abandoned industrial or commercial buildings instead of going out of our way to find a grandmother's house satisfy you?
I forgot mitakihara had a really big abandoned part of the city
Edit:hey now that I think about it can't we claim a factory and repurpose it to make weapons and bullets for Homura?
 
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More importantly, though, it doesn't matter if the moon base is quicker or not. A moon base doesn't actually make transport to and from Mitakihara any easier. On account of it being on the Moon. A solution to a problem we don't have can be as quick as it likes, it's still secondary to a solution to a problem we do have.

Ok, so a moon base would be useful for a few things:

1) Safe storage spot
2) Meetings, specifically a show of strength
3) Doing as much Science! as we want without detection
4) Housing
5) Moon dates

But we'd mostly be making it because a moonbase is *cool*

To be honest, a space station would only be a bit more practical, and that's because we could jump down to get claims all across its orbit.
 
1) Safe storage spot
2) Meetings, specifically a show of strength
3) Doing as much Science! as we want without detection
4) Housing
5) Moon dates
5 is the only one that can't be done in the mall we destroyed with Yuki when we first met. Or any other building Yuki owns. Or buildings on Earth that Yuki doesn't own but that we know won't be getting traffic. The limiting factor for science isn't that we're worried about being caught doing science in Warehouse-kun, it's that we have a ton of other shit to do.

And speaking of other shit to do, we need Mitakihara to be included in the fast travel network more than we need to do a cool thing. It would save SO MUCH TIME that we'll otherwise waste traveling between Constellation members.
 
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5 is the only one that can't be done in the mall we destroyed with Yuki when we first met.

Yea that's kinda the problem. I'd argue that "show of strength" is something that having the meeting hall on the literal moon would help with-

-a group walks into one of the teleport stations, and they find themselves in the entry hall of a translucent palace, gazing up at the countless stars before putting their eyes to the throned master of this lunar domain-

-but yea, we'd only be doing this for the coolness factor.

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Basically, all the reasons for a moon base are just justifications for having a beeping moon base (with the exception of moon dates of course).
 
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Technically we could just set up garden sheds on our own rooftops. Disguise it as a weird A/C unit. Oriko's mansion, for example.

This is your regularly scheduled reminder that Yuki has to claim entire buildings. A doghouse in the alley next to our apartment building would work, but a shed on the roof would not.

Remember in Mandalay, when Yuki just found a suitable building? We don't need to actually purchase the land, magic squatting or construction are absolutely viable.

She wants permanent locations to be nicer, but is clearly amenable to shorter term options that let her link areas together until a better option can be secured.

Someone still owns those buildings

In most cases, the owner would be the government, unless whoever owns it is still paying taxes. Non-payment of property taxes traditionally has ,as a punishment, the property reverting to government control.

One location I've suggested multiple times is using Warehouse-kun. I also keep bringing up Oriko's place because, as somebody else pointed out, we're coming up on the time period where Oriko foresaw her own death-by-Feathers. Putting her location as a Yuki hub means she would be mere seconds away from vastly improved security without needing to push Sayaka and Hitomi to let her have more freedom just for her own safety. It seems the best, immediate option, to me.
 
This is your regularly scheduled reminder that Yuki has to claim entire buildings. A doghouse in the alley next to our apartment building would work, but a shed on the roof would not.



She wants permanent locations to be nicer, but is clearly amenable to shorter term options that let her link areas together until a better option can be secured.



In most cases, the owner would be the government, unless whoever owns it is still paying taxes. Non-payment of property taxes traditionally has ,as a punishment, the property reverting to government control.

One location I've suggested multiple times is using Warehouse-kun. I also keep bringing up Oriko's place because, as somebody else pointed out, we're coming up on the time period where Oriko foresaw her own death-by-Feathers. Putting her location as a Yuki hub means she would be mere seconds away from vastly improved security without needing to push Sayaka and Hitomi to let her have more freedom just for her own safety. It seems the best, immediate option, to me.

Thats a good idea, that way we wont have to worry asmuch about Oriko, we should bring this up now if we can.
 
And speaking of other shit to do, we need Mitakihara to be included in the fast travel network more than we need to do a cool thing. It would save SO MUCH TIME that we'll otherwise waste traveling between Constellation members.

Can't type for anyone else, but my vote for "moon base, with gynoid body manufacturing plant in the basement" was as a "right after Mitakihara base, with well-stocked freezer full of nondairy ice creams, is established" thing.

Because everyone deserves to stop a moment and abuse the whole "teenage girl lich that can't gain weight from eating too many sweets" benefit.

Who says we can't do two cool things? Ice cream is very cool. Moon base is, with sufficient protection from solar radiation exposure and heatsinking, very very cool. :)
 
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Can't type for anyone else, but my vote for "moon base, with gynoid body manufacturing plant in the basement" was as a "right after Mitakihara base, with well-stocked freezer full of nondairy ice creams, is established" thing.

Because everyone deserves to stop a moment and abuse the whole "teenage girl lich that can't gain weight from eating too many sweets" benefit.

Who says we can't do two cool things? Ice cream is very cool. Moon base is, with sufficient protection from solar radiation exposure and heatsinking, very very cool. :)
exactly!!!
Mitakihara comes first, after that anything is fair game
 
Ok, so with voting it seems like very few people have cast their ballots yet

Is this because it is customary to do a bit of debating before coming to a proper vote?
 
Ok, so with voting it seems like very few people have cast their ballots yet

Is this because it is customary to do a bit of debating before coming to a proper vote?
We will sometimes throw out quick votes, and sometimes take a while. Sometimes, we forget to vote entirely and Firn has to remind us to do that since he wants to get started writing.

Personally, I'm giving it a few days because I've been sick and would like to review with a clear head before I write or bandwagon on a vote.
 
Banach-Tarski paradox which relies on it being infinitely sub-divisible is entirely reproducible.
Didn't the paradox explicitly require actively witchy grief to perform? Grief may still very well be non-baryonic, but I feel the witch magic did the heavy lifting of that subdivision. Otherwise you'd essentially be able to generate an infinite amount of solid grief from a single grief marble through the power of uncountability, which would have solved this quest long ago.
 
Didn't the paradox explicitly require actively witchy grief to perform? Grief may still very well be non-baryonic, but I feel the witch magic did the heavy lifting of that subdivision. Otherwise you'd essentially be able to generate an infinite amount of solid grief from a single grief marble through the power of uncountability, which would have solved this quest long ago.
A lack of raw power has never been the problem in this quest.
 
Didn't the paradox explicitly require actively witchy grief to perform? Grief may still very well be non-baryonic, but I feel the witch magic did the heavy lifting of that subdivision. Otherwise you'd essentially be able to generate an infinite amount of solid grief from a single grief marble through the power of uncountability, which would have solved this quest long ago.

Yep, that is exactly what happened

As it turns out, we can't just make infinite Grief in order to bribe Kuybey off

(Speaking of which, we probably should do some more Science! at some point)
 
Didn't the paradox explicitly require actively witchy grief to perform? Grief may still very well be non-baryonic, but I feel the witch magic did the heavy lifting of that subdivision. Otherwise you'd essentially be able to generate an infinite amount of solid grief from a single grief marble through the power of uncountability, which would have solved this quest long ago.
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THE QUEST SUMMARY said:
You might have all the power you could ever ask for, but some things remain difficult.

With that established, yes, infinitely dividing grief made it witchy. We've encountered no such limitation with finitely dividing it. We have tried to catch electrons in little grief nets and been foiled by electrons being weird probability wobbles, and made bits of grief even smaller than that just to see if we could, and have found no indication that there is such a thing as a quantum of grief. It's just grief all the way down.
 
Otherwise you'd essentially be able to generate an infinite amount of solid grief from a single grief marble through the power of uncountability, which would have solved this quest long ago.
How would infinite Grief keep Mami from being lonely? Or help Madoka understand she has value without needing to martyr herself? Or heal Homura's decade plus of trauma? Or help Kyoko process the loss of her family? Or keep Sayaka from self-destructing over her love life? Or even find Oriko?

I don't understand what you think we would have been able to do with infinite Grief that we haven't been able to manage with the finite Grief we have had.
 
Ok, so with voting it seems like very few people have cast their ballots yet

Is this because it is customary to do a bit of debating before coming to a proper vote?

Partly, I'm fine with what is already established continuing. Lots of updates come with 'vote in abeyance' at the end, listing what we'll be doing if we don't vote to change that.

The only thing I would add is my suggestion that we should help Oriko and ourselves out by making her home, or at least some point on her property(which is a substantial area) into a Yuki-claimed building to protect her and meet our 'get a local hub immediately' goals simultaneously, but if I can't get more people interested in that in discussing it, any vote I offer would be pointless, partly because I'm terrible at wording things when not dealing with something technical, such as Science! sessions.

How would infinite Grief keep Mami from being lonely? Or help Madoka understand she has value without needing to martyr herself? Or heal Homura's decade plus of trauma? Or help Kyoko process the loss of her family? Or keep Sayaka from self-destructing over her love life? Or even find Oriko?

Or perhaps, most importantly, how would more Grief allow us to stop meguca Witching out, world wide? That's the minimum standard for "winning" the quest, to me. De-Witching would be better, but, should that not be possible within the timeframe of this quest, I could accept the lesser victory of no new Witches.
 
I don't understand what you think we would have been able to do with infinite Grief that we haven't been able to manage with the finite Grief we have had.
This is what I meant:
As it turns out, we can't just make infinite Grief in order to bribe Kuybey off
It would be the holy grail of energy that uses mathematical laws to break physical laws even more than they already have been. Currently, Kyubey prefers the witch system over grief cubes as the energy output is superior. But if we could guarantee income that immediately scales infinitely to Kyubey's capacity for processing it, then we would have incredible leverage to negotiate for it to stop meddling with earth. And since we control the capability, we can easily stop the spigot if it reneges, which ensures compliance.

By "solve", it's more something like "threaten to make one of the aspects of the quest boring with cheap hacks and therefore should be and is banned like path to victory wishes". Like if Superman had the power to punch entropy in the face and stop it that way.
 
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