Kuu has more then enough information to make an inferred guess.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
- Thread starter Firnagzen
- Start date
-
- Tags
- puella magi adfligo systema puella magi madoka magica be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist bad decisions dating mami tomoe (tomoe mami) diabolical laughter friendship is the best ship handholding identity crises microwaving tea gets you put in the bad place names are important the body is the fursona of the soul this is not the baked goods thread we don't talk about rionna what could possibly go wrong? who in the world is azure sanfrancisco?
Yuki's logistical and strategic importance grows every arc.
As for what Toshimichi wants... if she really is a Genius Loci, or something close to it, as other posters have theorized, then maintaining strict control and stability over the territory would always be at the top of her list.
As for what Toshimichi wants... if she really is a Genius Loci, or something close to it, as other posters have theorized, then maintaining strict control and stability over the territory would always be at the top of her list.
Angrygenius
Professional Insomniac
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- Him/He
Another crack theory:
If Toshimichi is a Genius Loci, and yuki can control buildings...
Then can Yuki take control of Toshimichi?
Now this is interesting; "is Toshimichi a legitimate heir of the emperors" and "is Toshimichi a legitimate sovereign of Tokyo" are two separate questions.
The first question? Eh, probably, but ultimately unimportant.
The second question though? Now that's a doozy. Where does the right to rule come from? The current magical girl system is built on the principles of warlordism—if you're strong enough to take and hold it, it's yours. Toshimichi instead asserts that her authority comes from her inheritance; something that's broadly unpopular in this day and age, and as a result she's had to temper it into what's effectively a constitutional monarchy with a parliament. And like all good compromises, it's left everyone unhappy.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Sabrina likely rejects both of those answers - she's gone far out of her way to not personally assert her own right to rule, despite her absurd power and the relative stranglehold she has on a critical resource.
If groups in Tokyo want to break away from the Council, as long as they do so while not doing any harm to other groups, Sabrina gives no fucks.
Angrygenius
Professional Insomniac
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- Him/He
And that's the problem. We do not give a fuck about right to rule.
Toshimichi? She does.
Yeah, I was trying to consider where Sabrina would consider legitimate authority to come from, but as I was looking at Constellation, I realised that it doesn't exert any kind of sovereignty at all—it mainly seeks to work with existing systems, not replace them. We don't claim authority over anyone, not through power, or blood, or democracy or any other system of setting one man above another.
Heh, I'm struck by the mirroring between us and Toshimichi; strange origins, strange powers, desire for peace, but one's a monarchist and the other is an anarchist, teaming up together against the warlords and the parliamentarians of the magical world. Politics makes for strange bedfellows indeed.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
The real authority is the friends we made along the way.
Gonna drop in that we should check if Oriko's got anything she'd like to share next vote.
- Location
- a Minecraft Rollercoaster
It's funny because it's true.
Alternatively, we could claim divine right of Madokami.
- Location
- Unitied Kingdom
Probably silly speculation: What if she doesn't?
Like, what if she's only ruling over Tokyo because she feels responsible? Feels like she's the only one who can do it because [insert reason here]? A variation of the 'great power great responsibility' mindset. She knows that her power keeps Tokyo stable, saving lives in the process, she thinks ergo that not doing so is morally wrong. She has the power, thus she is responsible and all that.
What if she doesn't care about divine right to rule, only that she has the power to keep Tokyo stable? It sounds ridiculous, but have her or her friends ever stated or even implied that the title is important to her so far?
Silly idea, but might as well throw it out here.
It's funny because it's true.
Alternatively, we could claim divine right of Madokami.
It's a bit hard to build a religion around a martyr who's still alive, let alone use that religion as justification for rulership.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
It's funny because it's true.
Alternatively, we could claim divine right of Madokami.
Nah, we'd be the Jesus to her Pontius Pilate.
Sabrina serves a higher power, but she has no interest in ruling, beyond maybr mandating people be excellent to one and other.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Because the hammer is a useful prop to provide dynamism and direction to the art - it's a lot harder to make a good looking art piece where Sabrina is just directing grief though force of will and not doing much herself.
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
Could do a Grief Lantern style thing, but yeah.
Angrygenius
Professional Insomniac
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- Him/He
Sabrina, directing her grief swirling around her like a maelstrom of maliciousness. In the middle, Sabrina herself, sans hammer, holding both middle fingers up towards the viewer.
Damn, Yuki is really benefitting from our alliance. She's got a defense pact, infinite cleansing, a new international reach, that boat we'll have to get her, is on the ground floor of the Constellation, an eventual moon base, and now both a building in Tokyo and the opportunity to test herself against a bunch of Tokyo magical girls. Not to mention the potential magical-muggle partnership she could get going with the Shizuki's company. We sure Fukushima don't have a luck charm somewhere?
Angrygenius
Professional Insomniac
- Location
- Florida
- Pronouns
- Him/He
One day we're gonna wake up and find a house made of unmeltable regenerating chocolate outside our apartment with a note professing Yuki's undying thanks for us giving her so much.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
Yuki gains a lot, but she also brings equal benefits in turn.
Honestly, that´s the best state for any alliance, where both parties gain so much at so little cost that neither would even consider breaking off.
Honestly, that´s the best state for any alliance, where both parties gain so much at so little cost that neither would even consider breaking off.
I mean if you have made enough friends... than that´s true in any context.
With the way things are shaping up, Yuki could effectively be a "Regional" diplomat, and any building she places would have all the effective role and power of a real life foreign embassy slash UNICEF headquarters.
We've effectively changed the game for her from being a dungeon master to Civ VI.
We've effectively changed the game for her from being a dungeon master to Civ VI.
Last edited:
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
There is no "right to rule" -- it is only ever seized and maintained by force or threat of force, regardless of how many intermediate layers of obfuscating bullshit you put in the way. After all, it's telling how it's control over scarcity of grief seeds that's supported Toshimichi's power in the first place, and threat of death from privation is one of the broadly accepted methods of force for the maintenance of a society in modernity. Rule is in and of itself a fundamentally unjust concept that humanity has been slowly and painfully trying to rid itself of for the past three centuries, only to fail at each turn due to expediency and the allure of personal power.
If it helps, I'd completely forgotten that we'd uh, okay, I'm going to weasel word here, but we've taken a "duty of care" over Iwoa.
.... you know what, I think I'm just going to shut up, because I'm too dumb for any form of political philosophy.
Ok, I'm going to take s brief detour to analyze the little we know of the Empress girl's Empathy power.
1. Assuming the characters are correct and that she has not interfered with them with active magic, then that leaves only passive and indirect methods.
2.1 Passive methods can be as simple as emotions or surface thoughts being given off by everyone on a frequency Empress girl can sense. This is interesting, and is worth exploring if only to see if we can stop being an open book like that and if we can learn to do the same.
2.2 Another passive method could be super analysis, basically meaning something like Tattletale's power.
3. Indirect methods include things like future sight or postcognition, or high-level psychometry on the level where it's essentially the same as 2.1. This is also the area we can do the least about, if the universe itself is the one tattling on us, we'd need some serious magic to circumvent that.
Those are the only real options I can think of, please contribute if you know another possible solution
1. Assuming the characters are correct and that she has not interfered with them with active magic, then that leaves only passive and indirect methods.
2.1 Passive methods can be as simple as emotions or surface thoughts being given off by everyone on a frequency Empress girl can sense. This is interesting, and is worth exploring if only to see if we can stop being an open book like that and if we can learn to do the same.
2.2 Another passive method could be super analysis, basically meaning something like Tattletale's power.
3. Indirect methods include things like future sight or postcognition, or high-level psychometry on the level where it's essentially the same as 2.1. This is also the area we can do the least about, if the universe itself is the one tattling on us, we'd need some serious magic to circumvent that.
Those are the only real options I can think of, please contribute if you know another possible solution
Last edited: