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Cannongerbil said:
especially since it wouldn't really matter to him whether it is true or not.
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Except, you know, that he has this weird thing about lying.

Onmur said:
It won't be easy or quick, but KB has shown interest in whatever the hell we've been doing alone in those witch barriers. Convincing him of anything would take some work and likely revealing more information than we'd want to, but I think it could be done.
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It's possible, depending on the results, that he'd even be fully supportive of what we are doing. Best case scenario, turning a witch back into a magical girl produces a significant amount of usable energy*, and allows for them to be re-witched and re-meguca'd at a hypothetical later date to get even more energy.



*remember, all this shit already violates thermodynamics, that's the point.
 
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Wait. Why do we care about convincing Kyuubey that the witch is a separate entity? Where is anyone getting the idea that he gives a rat's ass? He's an unrepentant psychopath that tricks young girls into giving up their souls and becoming insane eldritch abominations so that he can use their souls as batteries. In the timeline where Krimheld Gretchen was so powerful it threatened to destroy the earth in a little over a week, he basically just says "so long and thanks for all the souls" and bails on us. Is the only point to get him to say that, technically, Kato wasn't killed by Ishinomaki, but that her witch was? That just seems like it would cause a Witchbomb fest.
 
Random832 said:
Except, you know, that he has this weird thing about lying.
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He says he has a thing about not lying, but that doesn't preclude him from giving out half-truths and deliberately misleading statements. Even if we manage to convince him that a witch and a Magical girl are different entities, which is unlikely at best and defintely can't be done without tipping out hand, it still wouldn't stop him from pulling the kind of shit he did on Kyouko. Remember, this guy entire career is based around trickery and lies. He may not believe it to be trickery, but it doesn't change the fact that he is exceedingly good at it.
 
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Gadjo said:
Wait. Why do we care about convincing Kyuubey that the witch is a separate entity?
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Because it would limit his ability to claim that someone who killed a witch actually killed a magical girl.

Is the only point to get him to say that, technically, Kato wasn't killed by Ishinomaki, but that her witch was?
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It's so that the next time, he can't make the original claim that she was killed by them in the first place, which (based on both this and something that supposedly happened in Kazumi) we suspect is a pretty significant tool in their toolbox for promoting low-level conflict between magical girls.
 
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But do we know witches are different? I mean if we convince someone, and later learn to resotore them, we would have egg on our face^^
 
Xexilf said:
But do we know witches are different? I mean if we convince someone, and later learn to resotore them, we would have egg on our face^^
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We have to do some observation on Hildegard at some point. We just don't have the time for it.

I don't really hold hopes to unwitchify Hildegard, but should try things. Like, Hildegard is a heart witch, so let's see if Rin can meddle with her powers to 'regenerate' an entire MGs' body and stick Hild's seed in the soulless body's heart. Then we shout "Shazam!" and see what happens. [/BadIdeas]
 
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The interesting question here would be the question of identity. What does becoming a witch do to your head, and would you still be you afterwards? Or are you someone different now? Are you the same person in a different skin, or a different person in the same skin?

Hmmmmmmm questions. Have we ever tried talking to Dedolere?
 
Crasian01 said:
The interesting question here would be the question of identity. What does becoming a witch do to your head, and would you still be you afterwards? Or are you someone different now? Are you the same person in a different skin, or a different person in the same skin?
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You can all lose track of time while having fun tea parties. But there is no escape from microwaved tea.
 
Crasian01 said:
Hmmmmmmm questions. Have we ever tried talking to Dedolere?
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I think so.

EDIT: Wait, no. I was thinking of Hildegard. Dedolere was something Sabrina didn't want to think about at all.

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Firnagzen said:
A morbid thought strikes you, before you enter the Witch Barrier. You detach your own Soul Gem, holding it up so that it catches the light. Silvery filigree, just visible thanks to the early morning sun catching the gem just so, winds across the surface of the white gem to form an odd logo: a line striking through a crescent shape with rays emerging from the point of impact.

Huh.

But you're delaying. You steel yourself, examining your own Soul Gem.

Dedolere.

That's... latin... you think? You're not sure what it means, precisely.

Still... that's your morbid curiosity settled. And that particular name had better never see the light of day, you think as you repin your Soul Gem in its location. You take a deep breath before stepping into the Barrier: your first solo Witch hunt.
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Random832 said:
Hey, best case scenario, we get two protagonists and two actions per turn.

That's going to be an absolute nightmare for vote counting, isn't it?
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[q] Sabrina #1
-[q] Discuss about why microwaving tea saves a lot of effort and that is enough of a reason over the taste to Oriko.

[q] Sabrina #2
-[q] Sneak into kitchen.
-[q] Microwave tea and serve them to all you four.

Go.
 
EtchedSteel said:
[q] Sabrina #1
-[q] Discuss about why microwaving tea saves a lot of effort and that is enough of a reason over the taste to Oriko.

[q] Sabrina #2
-[q] Sneak into kitchen.
-[q] Microwave tea and serve them to all you four.

Go.
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You realize a far more realistic expectation is for both to be actively trying to sabotage the other, right?
 
Crasian01 said:
I am though?

I mean, there are massive risks, don't get me wrong, but there's nothing intrinsically wrong with meditating to find your inner self or <misc. hippie bs>.
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Except that last time we tried to poke a witch our soul gem filled further than it ever has.

The only way I can think Dedolore could be useful is if we needed, for some reason, to take the whole world hostage. And even then, we'd need to somehow convince whoever we're threatening that we can destroy the world.

We really don't have use for world ending witch.
 
Onmur said:
Except that last time we tried to poke a witch our soul gem filled further than it ever has.

The only way I can think Dedolore could be useful is if we needed, for some reason, to take the whole world hostage. And even then, we'd need to somehow convince whoever we're threatening that we can destroy the world.

We really don't have use for world ending witch.
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Well yes, it's a Dangerous Plan that we shouldn't do unless we have no other plan.

But if we DO manage to communicate with Dedolere, think about how much we could learn!
 
Crasian01 said:
Well yes, it's a Dangerous Plan that we shouldn't do unless we have no other plan.

But if we DO manage to communicate with Dedolere, think about how much we could learn!
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...That trying to talk to your Witch is a bad idea? I really don't see the benefit here since the response is likely to be BLARGGHLLLLLLLLASFDGDHJTEATEATEAMUSTMICROWAVETEA.

:p
 
Ugolino said:
...That trying to talk to your Witch is a bad idea? I really don't see the benefit here since the response is likely to be BLARGGHLLLLLLLLASFDGDHJTEATEATEAMUSTMICROWAVETEA.

:p
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But what if it isn't?!!

I mean, look, in the 1900s people were like "yah, if you're heavier than air trying to fly is gunna result in you dying painfully", but then airplanes became a thing! What if Dedolere in not-trying-to-kill-you form is somehow at least capable of forming words? What if we can prod her and get outputs that allow us to make useful deductions?

I mean man, there's so much that's potentially possible if it works out in our favor.
 
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