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We need so much help on personel management it's not funny. One of our biggest problems is not being able to delegate, and our second biggest issue is handling interpersonal issues that prevent people from working together. It was a not so minor miracle we got Homura and Oriko working together on the same team in small doses, and while that's an extreme example, we've got tensions and fault lines like that throughout our alliance. Human resource management is precisely what we need the most if we're ever going to graduate from jumping from one crisis to the next, and I want that said aloud before we leave the meeting.

After that, it's time for Homusocial. Kaizuki has things she believes will help Homura weather the potentialbomb, and Oriko's already warned us Kyubey already knows the potentialbomb and is preparing to drop it on Homura at the most devistating moment to witch her out.

I also want to make sure we cover the issue of Kyubey not actually being trustworthy with Homura, since I'm convinced she doesn't actually understand his "not technically lying" schtick is still deliberate deception and not just him being alien. I'm pretty sure that's why he still has enough credibility with her to actually accomplish the potentialbomb, and why she felt comfortable telling her about the old timeline in the final episode, leading to the Rebellion movie's events. If Kyubey tried to infobomb us with some devastating revelation, we'd be looking carefully at his wording, try and figure out what his angle was, and generally not go into a despair spiral not because we aren't susceptible to infobombs in general, but because we don't consider Kyubey trustworthy. I want Homura to have that inoculation, a natural instinct to assume that whatever Kyubey says, it's said only to hurt her, and that even if it's technically true, there's likely context that will change its meaning, so accepting it at face value is unwise.
 
Nerevar said:
We need so much help on personel management it's not funny. One of our biggest problems is not being able to delegate, and our second biggest issue is handling interpersonal issues that prevent people from working together. It was a not so minor miracle we got Homura and Oriko working together on the same team in small doses, and while that's an extreme example, we've got tensions and fault lines like that throughout our alliance. Human resource management is precisely what we need the most if we're ever going to graduate from jumping from one crisis to the next, and I want that said aloud before we leave the meeting.
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This. It's kind of scary to think that a group like ours has as many problems between members as it does. Hell, I don't even wanna think about Masami and Mami's clashing. Actually, I'd rather not have to deal with that at all, it just makes me unreasonably angry.

also:
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Kaizuki has things she believes will help Homura weather the potentialbomb
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Gender: Male
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We can ping Oriko and promise to visit if she says we won't see her and Kirika doing something inappropriate when we arrive.

Like I dunno
shitposting
or food fighting
 
065tdsa said:
Humans hunting witches would look like Old XCOM, with big teams and lots of casualties. You'd need a lot of machine guns to stop the swarming familiars from getting in close, and then rockets to kill the Witch. The lack of support options would be the big problem since Witch barriers nullify air/arty support and driving a tank into one is probably impossible, so everything needs to be man-portable and mortars are impractical.

Retreat would also not be an option since I'm pretty sure there's no way out of a barrier without magic.
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We never did figure out if there's a size limit to the portal openings, though assuming human sized objects only is probably a safe bet.

So ... if we stick in a wired radio set, can we have remote controlled gun bots? A full sized MBT might not fit, but a scaled down one might. A 6 ft square tracked thing with a 50 cal or 30 mm high explosive rotary cannon. Depending on one's engineering, add a drone that's designed to be able to quickly be taken apart and reassembled within 10 minutes.
 
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Angrygenius said:
Firn said that it was the only way to enter period though.

Madoka and Sayaka weren't magical girls at the time, so... ???????
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I mean, Witches can obviously pull people into their barrier. That's part of how they hunt. It's just that you can't forcibly enter a Witch's Barrier without magic. But if the Witch lets you in, then that's a different matter.


Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Sabrina should follow up on this. If Sabrina wants to run Constellation as a business then some form of management training would go a long way, if not for herself (because that might be boring from a storytelling point of view) then definitely for the others.
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Running Constellation as a business is a terrible idea. Indeed, Constellation is more like a government unto itself, albeit in larval form. Because while there will definitely be a strong business side of operations, Constellation will have to handle magical crime/jail/justice, psychological eval and aid, government influence/outreach, recruitment, decisionmaking, membership, research, Witch and Familiar hunting, and much more. There's a damn good reason we've been talking about basically establishing an MSY in this universe--because that's basically what we'd need to make to address all of the problems we'll face.
 
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So hey, something to consider. Has the idea of Sabrina seeing a therapist ever come up? We have talked quite the good game about therapy but how about applying that to our self?
It sends two very different messages about therapy based on if we take part or not.
Now admittedly Sabrina's unique life circumstances and method of cognition may add difficulties but its still worth trying.

One issue I imagine would be keeping information from Kyubey. While I don't expect we will be talking about the details of any of our secret projects with a therapist, I also don't doubt that Kyubey will eavesdrop on any sessions and use them in the worst way possible.
So any therapist is going to need strong magical protection, both of themselves and of their office.

On a tangent:
One of my thoughts is that one of the things that has been holding the incubator back from more overt action is that it is still very confused by us. While we have made our motives and goals reasonably clear, our methods and information base are most certainly not. However much we are playing guessing games trying to figure Kyubey out it's in the same boat.
So how about we start trying to throw some deliberate misinformation out there?
Next time we go off to experiment we use our perfect acting skills to talk with thin air pretending we having a conversation with an invisible Meguca ally.
Or occasionally make references to science projects that don't exist but have cryptic names.
When we discuss interpersonal interaction with Kyubey offer plausible but untrue character interpretations of others to throw off its social models.
When asked to explain our motivations for an action: Lie blatantly but with complete sincerity.
 
JayTar said:
Next time we go off to experiment we use our perfect acting skills to talk with thin air pretending we having a conversation with an invisible Meguca ally.
Or occasionally make references to science projects that don't exist but have cryptic names.
When we discuss interpersonal interaction with Kyubey offer plausible but untrue character interpretations of others to throw off its social models.
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Go along with that "brain damage" motto? I'll vote for it just for the sake of hilarity it brings when someone is around!
 
I have been falling asleep at 10 PM because I feel tired, and this has been going on for at least a week.

I think I'm dying.

Firnagzen said:
I'm usually a bit slow on updating the index, yeah.
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I'll keep that in mind next time, Sorry for bitching about it.

JayTar said:
So hey, something to consider. Has the idea of Sabrina seeing a therapist ever come up? We have talked quite the good game about therapy but how about applying that to our self?
It sends two very different messages about therapy based on if we take part or not.
Now admittedly Sabrina's unique life circumstances and method of cognition may add difficulties but its still worth trying.

One issue I imagine would be keeping information from Kyubey. While I don't expect we will be talking about the details of any of our secret projects with a therapist, I also don't doubt that Kyubey will eavesdrop on any sessions and use them in the worst way possible.
So any therapist is going to need strong magical protection, both of themselves and of their office.
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It's not really a question of should Sabrina take therapy, but rather if she needs to take therapy.

Remember, the reason most magical girls need therapy is because there is something that has caused their mental state to become unhealthy, wether through past experiences or the results of being a magical girl.

Sabrina is oddly absent of that. I mean, what problems do we have? Control issues? That's more a personality trait than anything else, and therapy probably won't fix that because that issue of control is directly due to our actions.

If we need to go try the therapy thing because a few magical girls need to see someone else do it first, then maybe we could have one of our friends go through it. Heaven knows we have more than a few friends with problems. Hell, our girlfriend is one of the more severe cases!

If we go in there and we have no issues that a therapist can solve, what would that accomplish? At best, we've just slightly wasted a therapists time, but some meguca will be more willing to do therapy despite the stigma. At worst? They think that the therapist can't help them because they couldn't help us, and then they won't go.

Now, if someone were to bring up a psychological issue we do have (Does a supergirl complex count? One where we must save everyone?), then yes, we should try the therapy too. But until then, I'll be skeptical of us doing it ourselves.
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One of my thoughts is that one of the things that has been holding the incubator back from more overt action is that it is still very confused by us. While we have made our motives and goals reasonably clear, our methods and information base are most certainly not. However much we are playing guessing games trying to figure Kyubey out it's in the same boat.
So how about we start trying to throw some deliberate misinformation out there?
Next time we go off to experiment we use our perfect acting skills to talk with thin air pretending we having a conversation with an invisible Meguca ally.
Or occasionally make references to science projects that don't exist but have cryptic names.
When we discuss interpersonal interaction with Kyubey offer plausible but untrue character interpretations of others to throw off its social models.
When asked to explain our motivations for an action: Lie blatantly but with complete sincerity.
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You're almost certainly right about the little rat trying to figure us out. In fact, it's still trying to figure Homura out, just like it did in every previous timeline where she went back to damn herself eternally to fail over and over try and save Madoka and beat Waldo. And perhaps some misinformation might help us out a bit.

But remember that this is Kyuubey we're talking about here. Lies and manipulation are it's life, and if it can twist the truth about information that actually is true, imagine what he can do with information that isn't?

And that's if he doesn't immediately find out that we're lying. I still don't know exactly how far his information gathering can go, but I trust nothing except the privacy field we've set up in keeping the little rodent out of information lines.

So if we do try and give misinformation, we need to do it extremely carefully and make sure he doesn't catch us in the act.
 
A therapist also does not need to find something wrong with you anyway. If we are legitimately fine, a good therapist would likely see nothing wrong. However, even people who are mentally healthy can benefit from speaking with a therapist. It would be a good opportunity to have someone give a true outsider's thoughts and feelings on things (someone who isn't involved in this directly or indirectly besides their being our therapist).

We don't expect to see people (usually) spilling their guts out to someone on the first meeting, rather they may become more open with them as they develop a working relationship with their patient. Would be hilarious to say we've been seeing a therapist for 90% of our lives too, just to see if we can make some eyes pop. Since no one is going to expect us to divulge the results of our sessions, we can just go to one once a month so as to make it seem less weird.

posting before bed, so don't be surprised if that all comes out as gibberish. Will edit if any major mistakes are made.
 
Mmm. Well when it's put that way, I suppose doing therapy with the rest wouldn't hurt.

Hell, we could even get a psych evaluation done while we're at it. Get an official seal on that brain damage.
 
I mean it would probably be just 'iq is super good maybe, dunno what else to call the rest' They aren't gonna have much to really compare things to, but I'm sure it would be very interesting to the evaluator, and I think they would be glad we did it.

If they do have any strong conclusions, they would be very helpful for us to better understand what we have created alongside Firn.
 
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Sabrina: *talks to therapist*
Therapist: So it seems to me you're an amalgam of a 1000 voices given form, and you have developed a distinct self of your own separate from that legion of voices.
Sabrina: Wow - you are good.
 
Sabrina: "Before we get started, I need to do something to hide from the aliens that are always watching my every move."
Therapist: "And you're just here to talk about your control issues?"
Sabrina: "Yep."
 
To be honest though it might be nice to just unload the crazy shit of 'I have to always be careful about what I say or do because a malevolent sociopath is constantly watching me' because I don't think a single therapist would blame us for being kind of paranoid and/or stressed out from that, and worst comes to worst we could probably just have coobs erase their memories if they admit to this being a bit much for them (or try our hand ourselves at it).

Might want to see if the mafia have Therapists, since they might be more hardened to crazy shit. Or therapists who specifically deal with soldiers and such. Also probably want some Psychiatrists to help girls who have chemical imbalances on top of whatever they are dealing with experience-wise.
 
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