It's hard to keep track who's who, when nearly all the avatars are predominantly white.
You'll find this appropriate, then.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Tam Lin
The Evolution QM
I see something which does not belong.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Mind you Madoka's canon wish shouldn't have given her the ability to make Magical Girl heaven either but she got that too. *shrug*
tl;dr Madoka did something wierd.
It could just be she didn't believe she could fix everything with just one wish. She wouldn't have just needed to reset everything (bring everyone back) but fix the system and not witch out in the process.
That's a lot to consider even for a 14(?) year old.
So she laid the ground work for it instead? Seems reasonable enough.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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That is caused by the exact wording of Madoka's wish creating a time paradox, because she has to personally vanquish all witches, including her own.
The main issue I have is that there isn't a direct link between Madoka's wish and us appearing. Every other wish, you can always see the link between the wish and the result. Kyouko wished for others to listen to her father, her father gains a convincing voice. Homura wishes to redo her meeting with Madoka, therefore she gains time travelling powers. Etc, etc.
With Madoka's wish, however, there isn't a direct link between her wishing for everything to be fixed and Sabrina puking her guts out in an alleyway. There might be an indirect link between the two, but A) wishes don't normally work that way. and B) that requires us to make quite a large number of assumptions to come to that conclusion, enough that I think that proceeding as though Sabrina is definitely, 100% the result of Madoka's wish is a foolhardy thing to do.
Krecart
Not for throwing.
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- They/Them
Why? Other than believing that we can succeed in obtaining a Good/Golden End, I'm not sure how much that affects how we approach things.
Edit: Not to say that we should believe 100% we're from a Madowish, just that I'm not sure how that's harmful.
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Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
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- Soviet Lunar Base
Because it blinds us to alternative explanations. If we keep repeating "Sabrina is created by Madoka's wish in the previous loop", we are just setting ourselves up to get blindsided if it turns out we are wrong and it ends up being relevant.
Remember, the Black feathers are still out there, and those thing most definitely are not the intended result of Madoka's wish, if they are even related at all.
Muramasa
Best Girl
That still doesn't explain magical girl heaven. Also, citation needed.
Indeed. I'm just guessing. Honestly, weather or not Sabrina is the direct result of Madoka's wish I feel is largely irrelevant. We're here and SV wants to change things for the better. But then again, so does Oriko. *shrugs*
Muramasa
Best Girl
It isn't. The detail is only significant because Homura believes we're here because of Madoka's wish and is giving our words more regard because of it. Other then that, its a cool but otherwise harmless detail.
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Have you seen an actual cats for any real length of time? Emotions they definitely have.
*bats at ear flap*
It's the only plausible theory we have that fits the facts and which we have evidence for.
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- Somewhere near L1... I think
Have we bothered to come up with other theories?
"A wizard/Godoka did it" and "time travel"...but no, nothing else really comes to mind.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
How about Madokami and Homucifer are playing a game to decide the fate of the world and Sabrina's Madokami's only piece while Oriko was Homucifer's first pawn?
I dunno about that.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I figure it'd make sense for Madoka to put all her hopes in one arrow, at least.I dunno about that.
Meanwhile, if it's Homucifer who's activated Oriko as a threat, it would make sense that she can trump her once she's turned on her.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
Re:Sabrina being Madoka's wish: I find it to be pretty compelling because not only is it the only theory Firn's been foreshadowing, but it's not really that far fetched. Our soul is 'weird' and had like Madoka-level potentials, and Kyubey didn't know what the fuck. If we were like Kazumi he'd have atleast that precedent to work off of. As for why the wish made an alternate being instead of just time-traveling Madoka and having her do all the bullshit?
Two reasons come to mind. One, Madoka just doesn't have the right personality. She has the same desires, but she doesn't have it in her to fix Mami (we might not either but we're certainly doing better than Madoka ever has), we're able to earn Homura's trust purely by virtue of being a new entity with her interests in mind and a buttload of knowledge no one could possibly have, we have no social obligations of any kind and pretty much purely exist in the world of Magical Girls. Secondly, it wouldn't be considered "fixing everything" if Madoka had to be a Magical Girl. If Homura cannot be satisfied with the outcome, neither will the Wish, because Homura will eventually reset the goddamn timeline.
That being said, I'm always considering alternate ideas. I've yet to come up with any that seem anywhere near as elegant.
Two reasons come to mind. One, Madoka just doesn't have the right personality. She has the same desires, but she doesn't have it in her to fix Mami (we might not either but we're certainly doing better than Madoka ever has), we're able to earn Homura's trust purely by virtue of being a new entity with her interests in mind and a buttload of knowledge no one could possibly have, we have no social obligations of any kind and pretty much purely exist in the world of Magical Girls. Secondly, it wouldn't be considered "fixing everything" if Madoka had to be a Magical Girl. If Homura cannot be satisfied with the outcome, neither will the Wish, because Homura will eventually reset the goddamn timeline.
That being said, I'm always considering alternate ideas. I've yet to come up with any that seem anywhere near as elegant.
All these incubator avatars, and with SV controlling Sabrina's actions... What if it's all just another experiment by the incubators then?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't think the incubator could fathom something as illogical as Sabina.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
By majority, perhaps. Is that your plan with the avvies?Plot twist: Sabrina is actually an Incubator.
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Translates more or less to: lives parasitically inside a cute cat; Make a contract with me and become a magical girl; Actually his eyes; Incubator
If we can convince Kyubey that the voices in Sabrina's head are actually an incubator conclave, he may help us with our plans...
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- Somewhere near L1... I think
Incubator Appreciation Day
Adding to the vote because variety is nice and we may as well get the carrot on the table.
[x] Ask both the Ishinomaki girls and Mami about Kato Setsuko. What happened to her, why did she leave Sendai in the first place, and if she left, why the hell did Akiko lash out like that at her death? Is she just an excuse to start a turf war, or something deeper? We probably won't be able to get all the answers from them, but every bit helps.
[x] What did Akiko do back then, exactly?
[x] For that matter, what did she come here to do today, if not to negotiate a truce? I really doubt that she intentionally came in here to start a war, but she did come here for a purpose. What was it?
[x] Inquire if they knew about the healing circuit that the Sendai group was currently running with Rin beforehand.
[x]We don't condone what the Sendai veterans have been doing. But we want this to end with no one else getting hurt- and have good reason to think things will end badly for everyone if it escalates. It sounds like you have legitimate grievances here, but if we can guarantee they won't go after you again, will you cooperate with us in ending the war? At the very least, all we ask is that you do nothing.
[x]We're willing to offer our grief cleansing to their group, free of charge...after this is over. Even if we just cleanse their used seeds every once in a while, that should make a difference, right?
[x] Ask both the Ishinomaki girls and Mami about Kato Setsuko. What happened to her, why did she leave Sendai in the first place, and if she left, why the hell did Akiko lash out like that at her death? Is she just an excuse to start a turf war, or something deeper? We probably won't be able to get all the answers from them, but every bit helps.
[x] What did Akiko do back then, exactly?
[x] For that matter, what did she come here to do today, if not to negotiate a truce? I really doubt that she intentionally came in here to start a war, but she did come here for a purpose. What was it?
[x] Inquire if they knew about the healing circuit that the Sendai group was currently running with Rin beforehand.
[x]We don't condone what the Sendai veterans have been doing. But we want this to end with no one else getting hurt- and have good reason to think things will end badly for everyone if it escalates. It sounds like you have legitimate grievances here, but if we can guarantee they won't go after you again, will you cooperate with us in ending the war? At the very least, all we ask is that you do nothing.
[x]We're willing to offer our grief cleansing to their group, free of charge...after this is over. Even if we just cleanse their used seeds every once in a while, that should make a difference, right?
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