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So, let's get this votecrafting cycle started early, since the Shizukitalk is incredibly important to our longterm plans and I'd like to get this thoroughly hashed out.

Let me just outline what exactly our goal here is first. We don't actually need money from the Shizuki's, per-se: We've had hundreds of posts describing ways that Sabrina can become richer than god, and at least one of those methods is bound to pan out.

What we actually need here is legitimacy, which they have in spades. They run finance, technology investment, and real-estate, all of which are incredibly useful for us to have contacts with. As just one trivial example - if we want to buy that building in Mandalay that Yuki claimed, doing it through the Shizukis would be tremendously easier then attempting to do so ourselves, even if we "technically" have enough gold and money to pay for it.

The way to frame this is probably mutual benefit - the Shizuki's can provide a valuable service for us to make it easier for us to improve the world, and in exchange we can help them in literally magical ways.

In any case, this is almost certainly going to be a multi-vote talk, so here's my vote draft on how to initially broach the topic.

[] Meet the Shizukis with Mami and Homura.
-[] Be polite, courteous, and strive to give off a mature vibe. Aim for "young professional who knows what she's doing and talking about".

[] Demonstrate the existence of magic for Fujio.
-[] Explain the broad strokes - a girl (and it is overwhelmingly girls, for reasons you don't know) is approached by a cute bunnycat looking creature, and told that she has the potential to contract with it, be granted a wish, and become a magical girl. She can then hunt supernatural beings known as "witches", which prey on humanity, and drop "grief seeds" when destroyed.
-[] Describe in brief the darker side of the magical girl life: The violation of the soul, the impact of their own negative emotions leading to death, the malthusian catastrophe of competition for scarce resources necessary to survive, leading to territorial hunting gangs that often fight each other - all leading to the short expected lifespan of a magical girl.
--[] Further exacerbating this is that almost all magical girls are brought into the masquerade on false premises - they make a contract without understanding the consequences, and all the deaths and damage caused by magic get covered up by memory modification - people, both magical girl and not, get killed all the time and it ends up as background noise, passed off as suicides and gas leaks when the victims aren't just forgotten about.
-[] You can provide a fuller rundown on magical girl politics if they want, but you need to clarify your own highly unusual position in this ecosystem first - specifically, your own ability to provide unlimited cleansing, which is as far as you know absolutely unique globally.

[] You want to improve things - for magical girls, and for humanity as a whole. You'd greatly appreciate the Shizukis assistance in doing so.
 
OK, so I want to cover recent events that is Iowa and cover the Tokyo Council + Regius Group. The former cause it showcases the violence in the MG system and our ability to deal with it. The latter so as to touch on the problem that is meguca politics. Also, we are discussing this with Mami and friends right?
 
BlueTwinkleToes said:
OK, so I want to cover recent events that is Iowa and cover the Tokyo Council + Regius Group. The former cause it showcases the violence in the MG system and our ability to deal with it. The latter so as to touch on the problem that is meguca politics. Also, we are discussing this with Mami and friends right?
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We can't discuss recent events and politics without explaining the broad strokes first for context, though, and even those broad strokes are a lot to cover in one update.

Specific politics will almost certainly have to wait for another update or two down the line, though I definitely want to read the Shizuki's in on said politics during this meeting.
 
I think we should use the iowa group and toyko as examples of how messed up the situation on the meguca side is. Globe trotting slavers and a hypnocracy are understandable horrifying things. We don't need to touch on the witch issue untill later, when we don't have mami with us.
 
I'm not sure about starting right off with the tone at "Young entrepreneur trying to pitch their idea". Given the context I think it would be better to start at "Friend of daughter explaining magic and altering your fundamental understanding of the world". Perhaps spend more time talking about the magical world (Examples of groups and powers. Examples of magic used for good and bad). Not just use it as a framing device before making it about ourselves.
 
Redshirt Army said:
What we actually need here is legitimacy, which they have in spades. They run finance, technology investment, and real-estate, all of which are incredibly useful for us to have contacts with. As just one trivial example - if we want to buy that building in Mandalay that Yuki claimed, doing it through the Shizukis would be tremendously easier then attempting to do so ourselves, even if we "technically" have enough gold and money to pay for it.

The way to frame this is probably mutual benefit - the Shizuki's can provide a valuable service for us to make it easier for us to improve the world, and in exchange we can help them in literally magical ways.
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I generally agree with the goal, and with the framing we'd like to have. My present comment is that our starting point is whatever frame of mind each Shizuki is currently in; what are they expecting. It may be a non-issue, but speaking for myself I need to reread the section where we talked with Hitomom.
 
I mean, mutual benefit is obvious, but we have a ridiculous amount of power, the only reason we are talking to them is because a) know hitomi, and b) hitomom knew a meguca. They are being approached because of dumb luck. We aren't an up and coming professional, we are a war reporter bring back information.

Edit: mutual benefit is not the only or even the most important thing we are bringing to the table. Stopping the suffering of meguca worldwide and upsetting the ballence of power are more important than mundane riches, and those are higher priorities for us.
 
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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the Shizukis help us out for free once we let them in on the whole situation, If they're as nice as they seem to have been.

Then again, I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't come up with something on our first visit, because we can do practically anything and they may want to think about it.
 
Redshirt Army said:
So, let's get this votecrafting cycle started early, since the Shizukitalk is incredibly important to our longterm plans and I'd like to get this thoroughly hashed out.

Let me just outline what exactly our goal here is first. We don't actually need money from the Shizuki's, per-se: We've had hundreds of posts describing ways that Sabrina can become richer than god, and at least one of those methods is bound to pan out.

What we actually need here is legitimacy, which they have in spades. They run finance, technology investment, and real-estate, all of which are incredibly useful for us to have contacts with. As just one trivial example - if we want to buy that building in Mandalay that Yuki claimed, doing it through the Shizukis would be tremendously easier then attempting to do so ourselves, even if we "technically" have enough gold and money to pay for it.

The way to frame this is probably mutual benefit - the Shizuki's can provide a valuable service for us to make it easier for us to improve the world, and in exchange we can help them in literally magical ways.

In any case, this is almost certainly going to be a multi-vote talk, so here's my vote draft on how to initially broach the topic.

[] Meet the Shizukis with Mami and Homura.
-[] Be polite, courteous, and strive to give off a mature vibe. Aim for "young professional who knows what she's doing and talking about".

[] Demonstrate the existence of magic for Fujio.
-[] Explain the broad strokes - a girl (and it is overwhelmingly girls, for reasons you don't know) is approached by a cute bunnycat looking creature, and told that she has the potential to contract with it, be granted a wish, and become a magical girl. She can then hunt supernatural beings known as "witches", which prey on humanity, and drop "grief seeds" when destroyed.
-[] Describe in brief the darker side of the magical girl life: The violation of the soul, the impact of their own negative emotions leading to death, the malthusian catastrophe of competition for scarce resources necessary to survive, leading to territorial hunting gangs that often fight each other - all leading to the short expected lifespan of a magical girl.
--[] Further exacerbating this is that almost all magical girls are brought into the masquerade on false premises - they make a contract without understanding the consequences, and all the deaths and damage caused by magic get covered up by memory modification - people, both magical girl and not, get killed all the time and it ends up as background noise, passed off as suicides and gas leaks when the victims aren't just forgotten about.
-[] You can provide a fuller rundown on magical girl politics if they want, but you need to clarify your own highly unusual position in this ecosystem first - specifically, your own ability to provide unlimited cleansing, which is as far as you know absolutely unique globally.

[] You want to improve things - for magical girls, and for humanity as a whole. You'd greatly appreciate the Shizukis assistance in doing so.
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We also need to cover the possibilities and benefits MGs represent. Make MGs less of a charity case and more of an opportunity and moral triumph in one.
 
Angrygenius said:
By the way, I would just like to point out how knowledge can slip away with the passage of time if you're not expressly learning it frequently.

I had completely forgotten what the Krebs cycle was, and now I feel both humbled and envious of a person that literally does not exist, and I feel petty jealousy of a society that only exists in the form of words and media.

The more I hang out on this thread the less intelligent I feel. Not because of any mind-numbing stupidity, but because there are just some topics that I literally cannot join in on because I have no idea about them, like Genial Precius' talk about improving the MOF. I had no idea what he was talking about with those designs
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Hey, by PMMM standards I would be a middle schooler at best, a particularly stupid one. So eh, it goes around.

Take it in stride, make fun of it: like, "I can't believe I'm technically less intelligent than Sayaka" "Hey!" or "Poor Mitakihara college students, what the fuck do they learn?"
 
Raiseth said:
Hey, by PMMM standards I would be a middle schooler at best, a particularly stupid one. So eh, it goes around.

Take it in stride, make fun of it: like, "I can't believe I'm technically less intelligent than Sayaka" "Hey!" or "Poor Mitakihara college students, what the fuck do they learn?"
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TBH I'm not sure I would have managed to graduate from high school in the Mitakihara school system. Well no, they presumably teach their students well, but I presume that with my present skillset I could keep up in physics and maybe math and that's about it...
SaltyWaffles said:
We also need to cover the possibilities and benefits MGs represent. Make MGs less of a charity case and more of an opportunity and moral triumph in one.
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No question that that's where we're going. We have to get there from here, though. I'mma figure out where "here" is, by which I mean read the audience.
Angrygenius said:
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the Shizukis help us out for free once we let them in on the whole situation, If they're as nice as they seem to have been.

Then again, I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't come up with something on our first visit, because we can do practically anything and they may want to think about it.
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If they're interested, it would be good for us to have some concrete proposals. They can come up with other things, but having concrete, realistic proposals is helpful for many reasons. Related, even if they're willing to do things on a charitable basis, resource constraints mean we can do more if it's at-cost or better.

It should not escape them that protecting people from witches is an essential service currently performed by meguca for no wages other than survival. That is a strong basis for charitable action, which sort of naturally suggests the notion of "Improve conditions for meguca in general without caring whether any given intervention is profitable while also profiting from magic where practical both for its own sake and to facilitate the first endeavor". Or I think it does.
Edit: Relevant update quoted below (it took me a few minutes to find)
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"That makes sense, I suppose. Though I suspect savvy magical girls could make a killing out there," Mrs Shizuki agrees, standing and extending a hand. "Thank you for indulging an old lady's curiosity. I'll ask my daughter to pass a message sometime, possibly this weekend? Fujio -my husband- deserves to know."
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Genial Precis said:
TBH I'm not sure I would have managed to graduate from high school in the Mitakihara school system. Well no, they presumably teach their students well, but I presume that with my present skillset I could keep up in physics and maybe math and that's about it...
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I´m fairly certain that whatever magic is causing these strange teaching decisions is also ensuring that the students can learn it.

Because you can´t run a school if 80% of the student body drops out in like the first three years.

Raiseth said:
Take it in stride, make fun of it: like, "I can't believe I'm technically less intelligent than Sayaka" "Hey!" or "Poor Mitakihara college students, what the fuck do they learn?"
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What on earth gave you the impression that Sayaka is stupid?
 
Aranfan said:
She is a teenager. She is definitionally emotionally immature and prone to making bad decisions.

The question of if she'll grow out of it, some adults never do, was foreclosed by the way her bad decisions led to her witching out in the series proper.
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Different kind of stupid. I was referring to the assertion that Sayaka is not intelligent, you are reffering to her age induced lack of wisedom.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Different kind of stupid. I was referring to the assertion that Sayaka is not intelligent, you are reffering to her age induced lack of wisedom.
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Sayaka might be considered stupid relatively in regards to the standards of her universe and what we know is expected of teenagers at her level of schooling.

We know that both in canon and here, that she seems to struggle with the schoolwork more than any of the others.

Now, keep in mind that I said relative in regards of the standards of her universe. She may very well be of higher intelligence than most at her age in our universe, but in her universe, where the bar is set higher, she may be performing under the average.
 
Angrygenius said:
Sayaka might be considered stupid relatively in regards to the standards of her universe and what we know is expected of teenagers at her level of schooling.

We know that both in canon and here, that she seems to struggle with the schoolwork more than any of the others.

Now, keep in mind that I said relative in regards of the standards of her universe. She may very well be of higher intelligence than most at her age in our universe, but in her universe, where the bar is set higher, she may be performing under the average.
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Well, the impression I get is that Sayaka's not a "good student" like Madoka and Hitomi, who presumably get close to straight A's (or the Japanese equivalent), but that she's not a "bad student" either - a solid "B student", basically.

Given that she goes to a pretty prestigious school (Mitakihara Middle is implied to be an above-average school even by PMMM standards) and you reach the conclusion that she's not dumb by any means.
 
I never said that Sayaka is stupid, my exact words were "technically less intelligent than her" despite being 23 years old.

Like, to unpack, I also studied in an elite school. Not a private school, but there was a freaking entrance exam and people were accepted only to the eighth grade so the education was rather more concentred than in a school where teachers and the principal had to worry about the whole 11 years.

My town was smaller than Mitakihara, granted, but I'm pretty, pretty sure PMMM education isn't remotely normal by real world standards, and the most important reason isn't even the depth of knowledge, I studied integration by parts in the tenth grade, for example, which is somewhere in the whereabouts of where Mami is. Since she's fifteen and I was fifteen at the time and all.

But the breadth of their education is simply ridiculous. Music Theory for fuck's sake. In a school that is empathically not a conservatoire.

And Sayaka studies it. She struggles yes, but she definitely knows about it than me, since I know fuck all about Music Theory.

And that's just an example, she simply has more knowledge and skill sets than someone who seriously had to haul ass to get a fairly good polytechnic GED. I don't say I didn't, like, have any time for food or sleep or dating, but it was still pretty intense, and I'm not even a solid A student, I was somewhere in B+.

And she's in the ninth grade.

As for emotional intelligence, I wouldn't make the same mistakes in her age, but I'd make new, more exciting ones. I would like to say that I won't make many mistakes at all now, but lol, that'd be arrogant beyond compare.

That's what I'm talking about.
So, to reiterate, take it in stride, make fun of it.
 
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I believe that we have acquired a lot of skills, knowledge and experience and are not afraid to give them to Sabrina to improve her life and the world in general.
Can bachata dance skills be useful?:V
 
I would be unsurprised to find that the originating wish not only improved the quality of teaching but also the ability of humans (or at least school-age children) to learn.
 
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