In all seriousness though, I assumed our main weakness was that for all our impressive powers they are very local and thus we need to do most of the things that really matter the normal way aka networking and social.
Our goals are only achievable with networking and social, that means that our plans are weak to networking and social.
 
Whenever I think about hypothetical PMAS sequels I imagine that Sabrina and co somehow managed to mind whammy Kyubey. Probably with some sort of block on forming new memories or something. So Kyubey still goes around contracting magical girls and "answering" questions but can't do complicated plots or anything and mostly sounds like a broken record. Sabrina and co would still be researching better solutions in the background but would be rather hesitant to do anything that disrupts the current one.
It allows for a steady trickle of magical girls being contracted and needing to be brought up to speed on on the real situation of the magical girl world. "What do do you mean, why aren't there any witches anymore?"
Plus it also seems like a relatively plausible solution to the Kyubey problem. Get a bunch of friends tougher with the right powers and make some sort of memetic anti Kyubey virus that transmits through their hive mind.
This actually brings up a point: If we wanna break the system, we'd need to either find a way to revert witches into girls again, or find a way to turn magical girls into normal girls again. Because if every magical girl needs grief seeds to survive, and we try and break the system, eventually we'd run out of grief seeds. I get that's what the clear seeds are for, but my point still stands.

Also, how is that clear seed thing working out so far?
 
Because if every magical girl needs grief seeds to survive, and we try and break the system, eventually we'd run out of grief seeds. I get that's what the clear seeds are for, but my point still stands.
I don´t know how the point still stands? That is what the entire clear seed research is for. That can´t just be disregarded.

Also, how is that clear seed thing working out so far?

Yet to make any trouble.
 
And even with the latter, I always found it suspicious how incredibly alright Kyubey seemed with Madokami´s universal restructure, especially as I don´t really buy them not having a veto on wishes. What if someone wishes an end to the Incubators? That kind of risk doesn´t seem like them.

it's implied in magia record that the incubators are acting on behalf of some other species that created them. i know it's not directly relevant to this quest but firn might be working with a similar concept. if so, wishing to get rid of kyubey without knowing this just gets them replaced with something else.

alternatively, the incubators are simply too powerful and only someone on the level of madoka can wish to erase them entirely
 
Causally speaking, if Incubators never existed, it's quite likely Magical Girls wouldn't exist, either

Would do fuck all to the Concept of Fuck You QBs that Wished for it in the first place, but other Megucas would probably get retconned into ordinary girls
 
Causally speaking, if Incubators never existed, it's quite likely Magical Girls wouldn't exist, either

Would do fuck all to the Concept of Fuck You QBs that Wished for it in the first place, but other Megucas would probably get retconned into ordinary girls
I don´t follow in the least. What are you trying to say?
 
Setting aside meta-narrative concerns, if we can have the good parts of magic without the bad, then it becomes a pretty obvious net gain for humanity as a whole.

Something something Sailor Moon style Silver Millenium something something Crystal Tokyo.
 
Setting aside meta-narrative concerns, if we can have the good parts of magic without the bad, then it becomes a pretty obvious net gain for humanity as a whole.

Something something Sailor Moon style Silver Millenium something something Crystal Tokyo.
Sounds great. Hope we can do it without the power abuses that some less moral mecuga might inflict on the populous
 
We don't care about maintaining the masquerade. Kyubey cares about maintaining the masquerade to make it easier to manipulate people. If we have a way of rotating the earth into a 4d pocket dimension Kyubey can't access and the only issue is everyone will notice the stars disappearing, we absolutely should go ahead with that project then explain what's happened to everyone.
I figured that the reason that we're the most emotional species Incubators have observed is that all the ones that are similarly emotional or more emotional have enough natural magical aptitude to do this.
Something something Sailor Moon style Silver Millenium something something Crystal Tokyo.
As long as we don't get the Great Freeze from Sailor Moon first.
 
I figured that the reason that we're the most emotional species Incubators have observed is that all the ones that are similarly emotional or more emotional have enough natural magical aptitude to do this.
I can see that, though I will observe, we aren't necessarily the most emotional species the Incubators have observed. We're the first emotional species they observed capable of operating in a society. Presumably, Incubators who develop emotions aren't capable of mutual cooperation, and the same trait was observed in other emotional species they've encountered.

It occurs to me this might be why Kyubey is convinced of his White Bunnycat's Burden idea that without Incubator intervention, humans would still be living in caves. If all the other emotional species they've encountered thus far aren't social species, they presumably wouldn't have developed technologically, since you need a degree of cooperation to get past a certain point. They may well have studied other emotional species and seen both their normal development cycles and what happens when they're uplifted by the wishes that the Incubators enabled and came to the conclusion that's how it was happening on earth. If they really have only found the one social emotional species they're operating on a sample size of one and are extrapolating from models that don't fit.
 
I figured that the reason that we're the most emotional species Incubators have observed is that all the ones that are similarly emotional or more emotional have enough natural magical aptitude to do this.

Actually, maybe this is why Kyubey is willing to burn humanity in the first place, despite planning on an infinite time scale.

All his client races eventually end up karmically bootstrapping themselves and then fucking off into the aether if he doesn't tap them dry first :V
 
Any last minute takers of the delegation plan? Because I'm still hoping to get some delegating done for once!

We only need... 19 people? Yea ok this isn't happening is it.
 
None of you are thinking big enough.

Step 1: Time Stop.
Step 2: Put every single planet, star, and celestial body inside of Sabrina's hammerspace.
Step 3: Exclude the Incubators and their Homeworld SPECIFICALLY
Step 4: Lifestream through Clairvoyance their reaction to everybody as soon as you drop Timestop.
Step 5: Literally laugh for 10,000 years over it, minimum.
 
Wait, isn't that the same as Kriemhild Gretchen absorbing everyone into her barrier, just on a larger scale and with the eternal despair only applied to the Incubators? :thonk:
 
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