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Jonen C said:
Having some functional veteran guca around is a good recruitment tool, though.
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Veteran gucas need witches to fight to become veterans in the first place though.

I think the way it works, I can't remember for sure, is that there are two groups of magical girls, one are destinied to witch out within a very short timeframe after contracting to both provide a quick infusion of anti-entropy. The other are meant to be cultivated over a long period of time before they expire.

Ono is in the former category, Mami is the later.
 
the older sister went 'those aren't ours'
and the younger one went 'why would you ever admit that, those allow us to keep living, the more the better'
which isn't completely true now that we exist, but is an understandable move
 
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*reads back through*

…Yeah, the older sister is the one acting like Kyouko. Well, actually, Kyouko might have taken the seeds all things considered.

I mean, she probably isn't thinking straight and is probably doing this to gather what shattered remains of pride she has, but she's refusing grief seeds after an extremely traumatizing event where all their loved ones are dead, and grief of any kind is like mercury poisoning of the soul.

Not a very smart move, if you ask me. However, we shouldn't enforce our will over what they do, and at least they have some measure of sense.
 
...I thought we were collecting allies for Walpurgisnacht?

Obviously we didn't want to tell these girls that they're required to help us, but it seems like we could've at least mentioned, "oh by the way, if you wanted to do us a favor, in a week we're going to really need allies for a big fight against a witch".

Too late to do anything about it now though.

[X] They're grieving still. You can follow up later.
- [X] It's time to check in on your prisoners
-- [X] Figure out if any of them can be trusted to stop hurting people if we let them go
-- [X] Check if there's any way for them to swear a binding oath to stop hurting people
 
Wirikidor said:
Obviously we didn't want to tell these girls that they're required to help us, but it seems like we could've at least mentioned, "oh by the way, if you wanted to do us a favor, in a week we're going to really need allies for a big fight against a witch".
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We've just saved their lives and they've had friends and family killed. They're minutes out of a highly traumatic situation where they were imprisoned , had lost control of their own bodies and was under the impression they'd most likely be killed. We can't expect them to be calm, rational and composed mere minutes after that. I would personally most likely be shell-shocked for hours or days, and that's just immediate trauma processing. What they went through could very well cause PTSD and will lead to copious amount of, uhm, grief for the forseeable future.

This is not the time to ask anything of them, and I doubt it's time in even a week. They need support and knowing that a friendly force is out there if they need it, but that's about it. It wouldn't be right to ask them to fight for us so soon, or at all. For Walpurgisnacht, we have plenty of people to call upon already (plus plans to reach out to more), and I do not doubt that if Tokyo trip turns alright, we can ask for support if anyone over there feel up for a good fight. Not using clear seeds as a bargaining chip of course (would defeat the point of our mission), but it's not outside the realm of possibility some megucas would be interested in joining up in the fight voluntarily.
 
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Torgamous said:
No, we're helping people with no strings attached. We're collecting allies from Walpurgisnacht among our actual allies and maybe Tokyo, but not a group that we just happened to help.
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Ninja'd

These girls are reluctant to accept simple cleaning services. We have no reason to believe they'd accept any offer to join if we mentioned "Hey, wanna help us fight a big Fuck-off witch that makes Iowa look like children playing raider?"
 
It sounds to me like these girls have a lot of pride. They're refusing our offers of money and cleanses because they don't want to be any further in our debt than they already are. If we'd mentioned a way to pay us back, maybe they'd have been more willing to accept help?

I dunno. I do agree that we have a lot of allies already, and it's not clear if we need more.
 
Angrygenius said:
that makes Iowa look like children playing raider?"
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Given the average age of a magical girl, it could be argued that they are.

Wirikidor said:
It sounds to me like these girls have a lot of pride. They're refusing our offers of money and cleanses because they don't want to be any further in our debt than they already are. If we'd mentioned a way to pay us back, maybe they'd have been more willing to accept help?

I dunno. I do agree that we have a lot of allies already, and it's not clear if we need more.
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Let's not try and recruit the already extremely unfortunate into a suicide mission?

Fighting Walpurgisnacht isn't some minor thing or "you feel guilty feel free to mow my lawn", it's a full on end-of-the-local-world event.

And they don't seem proud to me so much as overwhelmed and broken, due to the entire massacre thing.
 
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Wirikidor said:
It sounds to me like these girls have a lot of pride. They're refusing our offers of money and cleanses because they don't want to be any further in our debt than they already are. If we'd mentioned a way to pay us back, maybe they'd have been more willing to accept help?

I dunno. I do agree that we have a lot of allies already, and it's not clear if we need more.
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Someone should just explain to them that Sabrina has a massive saving people complex. By getting saved, they're helping us at least as much as we're helping them.
 
Sentient Tree said:
Someone should just explain to them that Sabrina has a massive saving people complex. By getting saved, they're helping us at least as much as we're helping them.
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*Mami walks over to the girls* "Um, If I may mention something, I feel that i must mention that Sabrina is a drug addict."
"Wait, what?"
"Yes, it's quite tragic. She's completely addicted to helping and saving people. Helping people is her drug. So would you mind doing me a favor and fuel her addiction?*
"Uhhhh... Sure?"
 
Wirikidor said:
-- [X] Figure out if any of them can be trusted to stop hurting people if we let them go
-- [X] Check if there's any way for them to swear a binding oath to stop hurting people
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Well for the 1st one I seriously doubt it because if they had problems with murder and looting they wouldn't be infamous murderhobo's traveling around the world in a fucking flying pirate ship.

For the 2nd, it might be possible, but to my knowledge we don't really have a way to do that yet. If we did we wouldn't have had to get the Mercenary girls (whose name escapes me for the moment) build that prison for the crazy meguca who went mad and started torturing people in a vain attempt at trying to bring her girlfriend back from witchhood.

[X] They're grieving still. You can follow up later.
- [X] It's time to check in on your prisoners
 
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I am reminded of the old fable.

Sabrina of the Lake offers TKC a pair of grief seeds. "Which is the seed you lost? The Golden Grief seed or the Silver Grief seed?"

"Neither of those are my grief seed, I just lost a plain old ordinary grief seed."

"You are a honest Meguca" says Sabrina of the Lake, "Here, take all the grief seeds."
 
Sentient Tree said:
Someone should just explain to them that Sabrina has a massive saving people complex. By getting saved, they're helping us at least as much as we're helping them.
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When raising a Sabrina in captivity, it's important to stock her enclosure with objects that she can help. Our Sabrina's favorite toy is a broken nutcracker. Every morning we give her a bowl of walnuts, and she'll help her nutcracker break them open.
 
Torgamous said:
When raising a Sabrina in captivity, it's important to stock her enclosure with objects that she can help. Our Sabrina's favorite toy is a broken nutcracker. Every morning we give her a bowl of walnuts, and she'll help her nutcracker break them open.
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Thank you for my fuzzy injection this week. I can imagine this , except the Sabrina in question is the little chibi version.
 
Also, possibly because I'm still in the mindset of my last post...

Are we fey? Did we just go on a Wild Hunt?
 
Jonen C said:
I am reminded of the old fable.

Sabrina of the Lake offers TKC a pair of grief seeds. "Which is the seed you lost? The Golden Grief seed or the Silver Grief seed?"

"Neither of those are my grief seed, I just lost a plain old ordinary grief seed."

"You are a honest Meguca" says Sabrina of the Lake, "Here, take all the grief seeds."
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Sorry if this is derail-y but I couldn't resist posting this after seeing the quoted post. Since there's no watermark: Source is Rikugou for original artist and TFO-Scans for the scanlation. This scanlation and others of Rikugou's work can be found on TFO-Scans' tumblr, and the raw can be found on the artist's pixiv and on Danbooru. I'd recommend them they can be pretty funny/cute.
 
MC200 said:

Sorry if this is derail-y but I couldn't resist posting this after seeing the quoted post. Since there's no watermark: Source is Rikugou for original artist and TFO-Scans for the scanlation. This scanlation and others of Rikugou's work can be found on TFO-Scans' tumblr, and the raw can be found on the artist's pixiv and on Danbooru. I'd recommend them they can be pretty funny/cute.
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I raise you:

Credits in bottom right
 
[X] They're grieving still. You can follow up later.
-[X] It's time to check in on your prisoners
--[X] Inform Yuki that you are done with the local girls, and are now available to help with the interrogation. Anyway she'd like us to approach this? Bad Cop? Good Cop? Semi-Omniscient Cop with awesome mysterious powers who already has the information they gave up?
--[X] She's probably got way more experience than we do on this, so we will follow her lead. But our main focus is figuring out how much of their team was willing workers, how much mind-screwed, and how much coerced, and what their various roles and powers were. Both to figure out culpability and to figure out what is required to safely constrain them.

Sentient Tree said:
More seriously, I thought the reason we let the message send was because we thought the hostages would take a while. Now that we can't do much else for them today, can we just go back to Mitakihara and say things wrapped up quicker than we thought?
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That was my argument, and that we could leave the interrogation to Yuki.

But most people seemed to think that we needed to be a bit more involved with handling the prisoners.
 
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[X] They're grieving still. You can follow up later.
-[X] Who said anything about checking in on your prisoners? Go home early.
 
I'm not really sure what we really need to do with the prisoners. They're in custody. Doing anything more with them can wait. And honestly, I don't think we've got anything useful to contribute in terms of interrogation that our specialists don't have covered.

[X] Torgamous
 
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