Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
It's Sabrina doing a Kyuubey voice.
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DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
.... .... I thought we did that... I did... what I get for speed reading these last few updates due to work.
[Q] Curse loudly.
.... actually would Sabrina be all 'OK so umm I had one of my brain damage moments and forgot to tell Mami what happened to Kyouko' would sorta help humanize Sabrina to Kyouko. Sabrina screws up, she has flaws, etc etc.
Hold my beer. I got this.
[X] Facepalm. "I knew I was forgetting something important."
-[X] "So Mami, Kyouko wanted me to tell you about the real reason why she left you before this meeting, but I kind of forgot about that. Sorry, Kyouko, you know I've got brain damage."
--[X] Kaizuki's vote from then on.
[X] Facepalm. "I knew I was forgetting something important."
-[X] "So Mami, Kyouko wanted me to tell you about the real reason why she left you before this meeting, but I kind of forgot about that. Sorry, Kyouko, you know I've got brain damage."
--[X] Kaizuki's vote from then on.
DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
Guys... do remember we need to, in terms of the overall vote, strike the right tone. Dissonance would be bad inside the vote, but also the for the entire dicussion. So being frank about the screw up is good... being comically ....blithe about it is bad.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
[X] Out loud, for everyone to hear, without pausing, without inflection:
-[X] Something like a year ago, in winter, Kyubey failed to do its job and wipe the memory of Pastor Sakura of the Sakura Church after he discovered his elder daughter Kyouko standing over a large group of apparently dead people -- unconscious witch kisses -- in front of an altar and wearing a red dress, having just slain a witch in her own home. Pastor Sakura became convinced that Kyouko had made dealings with the devil in order to bewitch people, and descended into alcoholism and abusive behavior before eventually burning himself, his wife, and his younger daughter Momo alive in what is referred to as the "Sakura Church Fire."
--[X] Shut back up.
-[X] Something like a year ago, in winter, Kyubey failed to do its job and wipe the memory of Pastor Sakura of the Sakura Church after he discovered his elder daughter Kyouko standing over a large group of apparently dead people -- unconscious witch kisses -- in front of an altar and wearing a red dress, having just slain a witch in her own home. Pastor Sakura became convinced that Kyouko had made dealings with the devil in order to bewitch people, and descended into alcoholism and abusive behavior before eventually burning himself, his wife, and his younger daughter Momo alive in what is referred to as the "Sakura Church Fire."
--[X] Shut back up.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I'm not sure "oh fuuuuuuuuck" is a good approach either, even if it more or less matches what we're feeling. This whole precarious house of cards is built on the confidence we gave Mami and Kyouko that it might work - if we start panicking, the whole thing might collapse.
Let's take a deep breath and actually consider this: This is far from unsalvagable. We told Kyouko that we'd help her tell Mami the background details, and we can still do so.
In large part, by only spilling the details now, after Kyouko did her brief "girl who killed her parents" summary, it even looks like we were intentionally giving Kyouko the initiative - which, to be fair, is more or less accurate when it comes to the reasoning for why we didn't divulge information sooner.
Did we actually plan to hold back and only share details now? No, not really, it was more of an accident. But I think the best thing we can do right now is try to play it off as if it was intentional.
Or, in other words:
[X] Out loud, for everyone to hear, without pausing, without judgement or letting your inner turmoil show:
-[X] Something like a year ago, in winter, Kyubey failed to do its job and wipe the memory of Pastor Sakura of the Sakura Church after he discovered his elder daughter Kyouko standing over a large group of apparently dead people -- unconscious witch kisses -- in front of an altar and wearing a red dress, having just slain a witch in her own home. Pastor Sakura became convinced that Kyouko had made dealings with the devil in order to bewitch people, and descended into alcoholism and abusive behavior before eventually burning himself, his wife, and his younger daughter Momo alive in what is referred to as the "Sakura Church Fire."
--[X] Shut back up.
Let's take a deep breath and actually consider this: This is far from unsalvagable. We told Kyouko that we'd help her tell Mami the background details, and we can still do so.
In large part, by only spilling the details now, after Kyouko did her brief "girl who killed her parents" summary, it even looks like we were intentionally giving Kyouko the initiative - which, to be fair, is more or less accurate when it comes to the reasoning for why we didn't divulge information sooner.
Did we actually plan to hold back and only share details now? No, not really, it was more of an accident. But I think the best thing we can do right now is try to play it off as if it was intentional.
Or, in other words:
[X] Out loud, for everyone to hear, without pausing, without judgement or letting your inner turmoil show:
-[X] Something like a year ago, in winter, Kyubey failed to do its job and wipe the memory of Pastor Sakura of the Sakura Church after he discovered his elder daughter Kyouko standing over a large group of apparently dead people -- unconscious witch kisses -- in front of an altar and wearing a red dress, having just slain a witch in her own home. Pastor Sakura became convinced that Kyouko had made dealings with the devil in order to bewitch people, and descended into alcoholism and abusive behavior before eventually burning himself, his wife, and his younger daughter Momo alive in what is referred to as the "Sakura Church Fire."
--[X] Shut back up.
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DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
I have no idea how to write that vote.... I see the logic, no idea how to spell out the needed actions.
- Location
- Laniakea
The exact line was:
That "we" was including Kyoko and, given the context of Sabrina only being the intermediary, pretty much meant that Kyoko would be the one who would do the actual explaining.
From what I recall, the vote was split at the time between going behind Kyoko and dropping it all directly on Mami or dropping the reason for Mami's wish on Kyoko and in the end the compromise was that we would get permission from Kyoko to tell Mami on her terms... which meant her agreeing to meet up with Mami.
Unless I'm mistaken about what the winning vote was, I don't think we actually got permission to dump everything on her outside the meetup which is why it never happened, not because we forgot anything.
Which means it should've been intentional that we didn't tell Mami beforehand.
Even if we take that permission to intermediate from Kyoko to mean that we can drop it during the conversation, I still think we ought to give Kyoko every opportunity to do it herself and Mami every opportunity to push for it.
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Okay...this effectively renders the new vote by @Kaizuki invalid, doesn't it?
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- Laniakea
I mean we do have permission to intermediate, so dropping the full details as we know them arguably still counts, however unhappy it might make Kyoko.
It's just that, if pointing out problems with Kyubey's mind-wiping proclivities is a pickaxe approach, this probably counts as the sledgehammer strategy.
- Location
- Laniakea
I'll... try for a combination/compromise between Kaizuki's old plan of pushing Mami and Godwinson's pickaxe tactic.
[X] Cleanse Mami's Soul Gem.
[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.
-[X] If things are seriously not working:
--[X] Out loud, to Kyoko: "Did you tell Kyubey not to wipe your family's memories of magic?"
--[X] Regardless of whether the response is "yes"/"no"/"wtf the rat can do that", remind Kyoko that she still hasn't explained the details to Mami which she agreed to do, remind Mami that she still hasn't gotten the full story and try to use this to segue back into an explanation.
Bringing up Kyubey in this case isn't to establish him as a common enemy (yet) but just to remind Kyoko there's details Mami doesn't know and wrangle the conversation back onto the explanation without making Kyubey the focus of it.
As much as it would be nice to paint Kyubey as a common target, he hasn't left any smoking guns lying around despite likely being the one who herded the witch into the Kyoko's church. The only other ammunition we have against him is the live grenade of the witchbomb (well maybe the lichbomb too, though I don't recall if Kyoko has been lichbombed yet) and hell if we're setting those off.
I will admit that bringing him up at any point in any capacity makes me slightly apprehensive because I do not believe for one second that the one we caught is dead; I suspect the "corpse" is actually still listening in on the conversation and liable to telepathically interject at any moment.
[X] Cleanse Mami's Soul Gem.
[X] Wait. Let Mami handle it.
-[X] If things are seriously not working:
--[X] Out loud, to Kyoko: "Did you tell Kyubey not to wipe your family's memories of magic?"
--[X] Regardless of whether the response is "yes"/"no"/"wtf the rat can do that", remind Kyoko that she still hasn't explained the details to Mami which she agreed to do, remind Mami that she still hasn't gotten the full story and try to use this to segue back into an explanation.
Bringing up Kyubey in this case isn't to establish him as a common enemy (yet) but just to remind Kyoko there's details Mami doesn't know and wrangle the conversation back onto the explanation without making Kyubey the focus of it.
As much as it would be nice to paint Kyubey as a common target, he hasn't left any smoking guns lying around despite likely being the one who herded the witch into the Kyoko's church. The only other ammunition we have against him is the live grenade of the witchbomb (well maybe the lichbomb too, though I don't recall if Kyoko has been lichbombed yet) and hell if we're setting those off.
I will admit that bringing him up at any point in any capacity makes me slightly apprehensive because I do not believe for one second that the one we caught is dead; I suspect the "corpse" is actually still listening in on the conversation and liable to telepathically interject at any moment.
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- Illinois
I HAVE 15M ALLOTED AT RIGHT NOW FOR THIS THREAD
[X] Out loud, for everyone to hear:
-[X] Something like a year ago, in winter, Kyubey failed to do its job and wipe the memory of Pastor Sakura of the Sakura Church after he discovered his elder daughter Kyouko standing over a large group of apparently dead people -- unconscious witch kisses -- in front of an altar and wearing a red dress, having just slain a witch in her own home.
--[X] This really shouldn't have been an issue, only, Kyouko adored her father, and had become a magical girl in the first place because she wanted people to listen to him. And they did, most especially her.
---[X] Discovering this, Pastor Sakura quickly became convinced that Kyouko had made dealings with the devil in order to bewitch people into listening to him, and descended into alcoholism and abusive behavior before eventually burning himself, his wife, and his younger daughter Momo alive, vocally blaming Kyouko for it the entire way.
----[X] *That* was what Kyouko "did." You, personally, are substantially more inclined to blame a mix of Kyubey and the literal adult -- her own *father* -- who Kyouko was supposed to be able to trust.
ALL OF THAT SAID, I'D REALLY PREFER IT IF WE COULD GET AN EXTENSION ON THIS VOTE, BECAUSE ITS A BLOODY MESS.
Also, I have zero free time until two days from now after which I have literal days of free time. Having a chance to siddown and REALLY think about this would be NICE
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
[X] Out loud, for everyone to hear:
-[X] Something like a year ago, in winter, Kyubey failed to do its job and wipe the memory of Pastor Sakura of the Sakura Church after he discovered his elder daughter Kyouko standing over a large group of apparently dead people -- unconscious witch kisses -- in front of an altar and wearing a red dress, having just slain a witch in her own home.
--[X] This really shouldn't have been an issue, only, Kyouko adored her father, and had become a magical girl in the first place because she wanted people to listen to him. And they did, most especially her.
---[X] Discovering this, Pastor Sakura quickly became convinced that Kyouko had made dealings with the devil in order to bewitch people into listening to him, and descended into alcoholism and abusive behavior before eventually burning himself, his wife, and his younger daughter Momo alive, vocally blaming Kyouko for it the entire way.
----[X] *That* was what Kyouko "did." You, personally, are substantially more inclined to blame a mix of Kyubey and the literal adult -- her own *father* -- who Kyouko was supposed to be able to trust.
-[X] Something like a year ago, in winter, Kyubey failed to do its job and wipe the memory of Pastor Sakura of the Sakura Church after he discovered his elder daughter Kyouko standing over a large group of apparently dead people -- unconscious witch kisses -- in front of an altar and wearing a red dress, having just slain a witch in her own home.
--[X] This really shouldn't have been an issue, only, Kyouko adored her father, and had become a magical girl in the first place because she wanted people to listen to him. And they did, most especially her.
---[X] Discovering this, Pastor Sakura quickly became convinced that Kyouko had made dealings with the devil in order to bewitch people into listening to him, and descended into alcoholism and abusive behavior before eventually burning himself, his wife, and his younger daughter Momo alive, vocally blaming Kyouko for it the entire way.
----[X] *That* was what Kyouko "did." You, personally, are substantially more inclined to blame a mix of Kyubey and the literal adult -- her own *father* -- who Kyouko was supposed to be able to trust.
Wishes follow not just the wording but also the intent, it should only affect his religious teachings.
- Location
- a Minecraft Rollercoaster
"Kyouko... I'm so sorry that you have fallen for the devil's tricks. P...please let me redeem your soul in clensing fire"
Edit: On another note, @Firnagzen, are you extending the vote time? Cause it feels like we haven't found a vote we're happy with.
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- Here
Have we ever done the monotone-infodump that people are suggesting before, other than that one time at the very start describing Walpurgisnacht? I feel like that was mostly an early-on bit of oddness that got dropped from Sabrina's character pretty fast.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
There was another one a little bit later that Sabrina didn't follow all the way through, but we've been acting like a real girl whenever around anyone other than Homura and, as far as I remember, have never done it for anything other than a witch card.
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Sabrina has continued to be odd, but not in that particular way.I want you to carefully rethink your position!
Okay. So, two occasions ever, witches only, Homura the only one who's seen or heard us do it, didn't finish the second time. Doesn't fit this scenario and both occurrences were very early on, before there was much (any?) Brinapilot. So I still feel confident in saying that going for the monotone infodump is something we've unceremoniously dropped, fun though the image is of a hypothetical alternate Sabrina who still does that with some frequency.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Some corrections here:
1) I'm pretty sure that the whole "magically listen/believe their words" thing only applied to Kyouko's father, not her.
2) I don't know if Kyouko's father descended into alcoholism or abusive behavior, and it's not really relevant, either--the crux of the matter is Kyouko's father murdering Momo and Kyouko's mother before killing himself.
3) IIRC, he didn't burn them alive, he killed them and then hung himself. He might have hung them, too; I can't remember. I'm 99% sure he didn't burn them alive.
It's very important that we don't overstep and say things that aren't true, because it would discredit our argument and derail the whole talk.
- Location
- Laniakea
Not to mention, we don't actually know all the details of the whole thing ourselves, only the broad strokes. There was an unobserved amount of time in between Kyoko's father finding out and making the decision to kill everyone and hang himself and we have no idea what really happened in that time either (i.e. Kyubey trying to wipe and Kyoko refusing it).
Kyoko disclosing the whole story could be as much to our benefit as it is for Mami - it could turn out there's something there specific to PMAS that isn't in our metaknowledge.