I'm having trouble digging up the exact post to verify, but it's also worth noting that Madoka felt guilty during one of our lunches when we talked about our amnesia. That would imply that, if that were related to Madoka's own Echoes, something went wrong in our creation.

It could also just be reflective of her limited ability to resolve existential conflicts. Like, Madokami can't save Sayaka's life AND preserve her wish and agency.

It could simply be "I wish I could've given you more of an identity and grounding but the only option is being The Entire Multiverse's Despair Incarnate so."
 
It could also just be reflective of her limited ability to resolve existential conflicts. Like, Madokami can't save Sayaka's life AND preserve her wish and agency.

It could simply be "I wish I could've given you more of an identity and grounding but the only option is being The Entire Multiverse's Despair Incarnate so."
I'll point out the choice that had to be made in your supposition is very reminiscent of the dilemma inherent in Kazumi Subaru's creation. :p
 
One of our most reasonable theories is that Sabrina's potential is just straight up Madokami holding down the scales with her god finger, because Sayaka and other Potential-fuckeries seem to get a 404 error regarding our soul, and our Potential is not proportionally matched up to our grief capacity.

This sort of implies Sabrina's actual potential is the sort you'd expect a random homeless girl with no karmic relevance to anyone or anything, except someone DM Fiated Virtual Omnipotence onto our character sheet. :U

Trouble with us "having potential from Madoka" via any "normal" mechanism (i.e., anything in the last five posts except Aura's) is that if that were the case we'd just have really high potential, not "strange" potential.

Eh, I mean, the only thing different from my theory is whether Sabrina is a brick or a sword.

Like, yeah, admittedly it might be either way, so I dunno. The mechanism is pretty similar all in all, in the first case Kyubey can't figure out Sabrina's potential to change everything because he lacks any parameters by which to measure her and by all means she should be just a nobody, but Madoka created her with the specific goal of fixing everything and "threw" her at this timeline, so Sabrina's potential is finite, just impossible to calculate given lack of any operational parameters, hence the brick thrown from nowhere. The second model gives us a persistent interference into the laws of the universe itself in order to create an agent of change, which tracks, or, in other words, in this theory Sabrina is a continuous cutting motion, i.e. a sword wielded by Madoka, metaphorically of course.

I mean, I'm basing my theory only on QM note from the start that disallowed us to Wish for any "I win" buttons, so imo Sabrina's Potential isn't "whatever is required to make a Wish", because she evidently couldn't make at least some Wishes. Otherwise, well, that only leaves us with Madoka having read Worm and sharing Firnagzen's dislike for bullshit invincible abilities that can end the story without even starting it. And Worm isn't even getting started in this timeline, since Wildbow started writing it in June.
 
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Oh dammit. I've just had the most embarrassing epiphany. I searched the thread to see if it had been mentioned before and, shockingly, it has not. Tagging @Redshirt Army because I know you'll be interested in this one.

So, you know how we've had ideas floating around for a grief sabot? To launch objects and projectiles beyond our grief control range?

The problem, of course, is that we never really had a good source of ammunition for it. We've joked about launching Kirika and I know that I at least talked using scrap metal and surplus construction materials, but that all takes time and materials. As it turns out, that's completely unnecessary.

Guys... It's real simple. Stupid simple.

Our warhammer is valid ammo for a grief sabot. It's made of magic rather than grief so it's quite likely to be able to survive beyond our range and, more than that, if our grief counts as us wielding it, or we can learn to make it count as such? There's this quote to consider:

On the other hand, you should be able to make it lighter, too. You drop your normal warhammer again, and focus on the Grief one. An effort of will has it feeling equally as light as your usual warhammer, and you take a careful swing with it. This time, it handles properly.

Contemplatively, you heft it back over your shoulder, and then slam it through a heavy, overhand blow at the ground in front of you, punching a hammerhead shaped divot in the asphalt with an enormous cracking noise.

You take a step to the side, picking up your magic warhammer. You repeat the blow, trying to put an equal amount of force behind it - and promptly smash a crater out of the asphalt. A crater, as opposed to a simple divot.

Hmm.

You plop down onto the asphalt, looking at the two different holes gouged out of the parking lot. Your testing methodology isn't terribly scientific, but you have a feeling that the hammer, your hammer, wouldn't work the same in someone else's hands. You make a grumbling noise, snorting through your nose in annoyance.

If throwing our hammer via grief counts as us wielding it It's likely to be even more effective as a kinetic impactor, than it's mass would suggest.

And, of course if Sabrina has, in any way, originated from Madokami, and our weapon is described as a "meter long piece of steel" when we do this, that would make our hammer... A rod from god.
 
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We can drop the banhammer with a war cry "Madoka said no!"
The best bit is that this is incredibly on theme; I've always imagined meguca weapons as resulting of "the coolest version of this weapon you can imagine," and what's a cooler warhammer to SV... Than one that doubles as an orbit-to-ground weapon? Or railgun ammo as the case may be.

Or cannone di picchio ammo.

I thought the running theory was us being waluiginight?
It's still disputed with no good evidence to resolve things either way.

the Witch name Sabrina has is not that. Unless of course Dedolere is a Suped up version of Waluigisnight.
It's canon that "Walpurgisnacht" is not actually the witch's real name.
 
*looks at the thread*
Huh... I always assumed that Sabrina's potential was strange because she's an avatar for us, and her potential was an amalgamation of all of our potential. QB would then be surprised if someone showed up with what amounts as several people's potential crammed into them.
although this assumes that an individual's potential has a recognizable signature (I like to think is a flavor).
 
Much as I'd like to flatter SV I don't think the entire readerbase would add up to the fuckery that Sabrina gets up to.
 
I hath returned from the abyss.

Our warhammer is valid ammo for a grief sabot. It's made of magic rather than grief so it's quite likely to be able to survive beyond our range and, more than that, if our grief counts as us wielding it, or we can learn to make it count as such?

[snip]

If throwing our hammer via grief counts as us wielding it, it's likely to be even more effective as a kinetic impactor than its mass would suggest.

And, of course if Sabrina has, in any way, originated from Madokami, and our weapon is described as a "meter long piece of steel" when we do this, that would make our hammer... A rod from god.
The best bit is that this is incredibly on theme; I've always imagined meguca weapons as resulting of "the coolest version of this weapon you can imagine," and what's a cooler warhammer to SV... Than one that doubles as an orbit-to-ground weapon? Or railgun ammo as the case may be.

Or cannone di picchio ammo.

In the distance, Walpurgisnacht descends on Mitakihara city. Her laughter strikes a chord of despair in all who hear it... save for a select few...

Sabrina: Hey Mami, you ready?

With a familiar flourish of her coat, Sabrina is surrounded by a multitude of her trademark warhammers. Mami only gives Sabrina a smile before a torrent of ribbons surround the two. In the blink of an eye, a massive cannon is being propped up by the two girls, its ammunition already loaded in.

Mami: Cannone di picchio...

Sabrina & Mami: MAXIMA!!

A stream of warhammers flies from the barrel of their cannon, impacting Walpurgisnacht with such force, she crashes into the earth, leaving a crater thrice the size she is and surrounded by some of the broken-off teeth from her gears.

And now, back to the abyss, I go...
 
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Keep in mind that Homu's armory is entirely mundane. Considering our grief's own invulnerability to mundanes force, I think our hammers really would have a much better chance.
 
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