Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I liked those quests.
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Hmm. I was thinking about @Vebyast 's suggestion that Sabrina further investigates "emotionally charged" grief. We've been treating all grief as if it was interchangable in terms of effect so far, but that probably isn't the case - after all, our clear seed obviously reacted differently to "happy" magic infused grief compared to "plain" magic infused grief, and if magic can have flavors, then grief probably can too.
I feel like the best starting point for this would be to try and determine what the "flavor" of various portions of our grief are. Can we, through inspection, determine if part of our grief cloud came from cleansing a magical girl compared to emptying a grief seed? Does grief from different magical girls/witches "feel" different? Can we determine what the emotional source of a given marble of grief was: sorrow, anger, envy, resignation, etc.?
I kind of feel like Sabrina could potentially learn to do some post-cognitive dowsing and feel echoes of the thoughts that caused certain pieces of grief to appear.
I feel like the best starting point for this would be to try and determine what the "flavor" of various portions of our grief are. Can we, through inspection, determine if part of our grief cloud came from cleansing a magical girl compared to emptying a grief seed? Does grief from different magical girls/witches "feel" different? Can we determine what the emotional source of a given marble of grief was: sorrow, anger, envy, resignation, etc.?
I kind of feel like Sabrina could potentially learn to do some post-cognitive dowsing and feel echoes of the thoughts that caused certain pieces of grief to appear.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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- He/Him
Well, stealing some guns, explosives, ammo, and grenades from Russian armories is probably a good idea. Alternatively, we can steal from the JSDF, but leave some gold in its place? That way, it pisses off the higher-ups less and bewilders them more?Timestop over to Russia and steal some nukes.
Or maybe we could convince Homura that she doesn't need to steal from the JSDF for near future activities, and that it can wait until we can find a way to get the hardware without ruining soneone's life?
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Just steal military hardware from the Saudis. They're not going to use it for anything useful or good anytime soon, and they have a lot of the newest and best toys.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Saudi hardware is generally in miserable condition, because they have piss-poor maintenance practices among local technicians, and they spend their money on getting new stuff rather than on having enough techs to keep the shit they have in good repair. About all you'd be able to get from there that wouldn't be in shit condition from poor maintenance and desert conditions would be small arms, and you can get those from anywhere.
Hell, Sabrina could build them out of air, if it was worth investing a shitload of time into getting the hang of mechanical transmutation, but it isn't.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
You have a problem, friend?*read the update*
Script Mak3r
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Subrosian_Smithy
endless
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Lord Chungus
God of Nutella
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So it's now been over 24 hours since the update... and there are three votes. In total. I'm... shocked? Surprised? Confused? Something like that. It's weird.
That being said, I'm considering altering my vote ro include [ ] Invite Homura to share her frustrations too, if she doesn't do so herself.
Sabrina venting would be good, but Homura's got some problems too. She's shared some, usually while we hug her, and we know some others, but giving her an invitation to vent should be good for her.
Sabrina's got bad stuff on her mind after the precious shitshow, which is why we de ided to have a timestop venting in the first place, but I'd say Homura could benefit from dome venting as well.
More pragmatically, this should get her in a better mindset to explain what happened last loop, which should happen sometime soon. Again, thoughts?
That being said, I'm considering altering my vote ro include [ ] Invite Homura to share her frustrations too, if she doesn't do so herself.
Sabrina venting would be good, but Homura's got some problems too. She's shared some, usually while we hug her, and we know some others, but giving her an invitation to vent should be good for her.
Sabrina's got bad stuff on her mind after the precious shitshow, which is why we de ided to have a timestop venting in the first place, but I'd say Homura could benefit from dome venting as well.
More pragmatically, this should get her in a better mindset to explain what happened last loop, which should happen sometime soon. Again, thoughts?
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
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I've been thinking about it more and if she *has* decided to hear it maybe we should wait until after school? We want her to be able to go off and cry in private with the support of those in the know after she hears it. Having her segue right into the schoolday with this horrifying knowledge fresh on her mind will not be good for her and also Madoka and Mami will probably see her react to it then and it won't be good for their mental wellbeing.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'm waiting, Lord. I'm uncertain which path of action is best at the moment. And well, we got time.
Lord Chungus
God of Nutella
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If she does decide to get witchbombed then it will probably be a seperate update. Something this big probably deserves the day off, if it happens before school, and we can stay with her afterwards. There was a discussion, about whether to do it early and make her take the day off vs telling her after school, but I don't remember what the consensus was, if there was one.
Actually, why not just ask Sayaka? If she says she wants to know, then we ask her if she wants to learn it now and take the day off, or wait until after school. Let Sayaka decide.
Now, because I can't stop coming up with weird ideas; should we have Homura with Sayaka and Sabrina for the witchbombing conversation? Sayaka's more comfortable with Homura, so her presence won't hurt Sayaka, and Homura has much more firsthand experience with witches and the witchbomb.
We know a lot, but Homura's experienced much more. Aside from that, she's seen what Sayaka reacts negatively to witchbomb-wise, so she shouldn't be completely tactless. And if we want to show Homura that we trust her, this would be a damn good place to start.
There would be risks, of course; Homura isn't known for her social skills, and this is socialz in its purest, most deadly form. That being said, I think the benefits outweigh the risks.
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blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
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I think Homura's cynicism might be more dangerous than her social skills here. We say we want to reverse witchification. We need Sayaka to latch onto helping us with that because Magia Record shows that if she has a goal she can survive the witchbomb. But I don't think that Homura in her heart of hearts believes we will succeed in it, she has trouble believing we'll even beat Walpurgisnacht.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
@Lord Chungus @Redshirt Army
To be honest, I've never been so much on the Homuvent train. Sabrina's her own character, yes, but we are part of that, and we shaped her with our directions and with the consequences of the medium we use to direct her. That is to say, the time dilation in between RL and IC Quest time has affected Sabrina for good and ill.
For good, because we get lots more time than anybody IC to deal with things as they happen and that reflects in lots of Sabrina's actions, which usually helps make good decisions. For ill because sometimes that works against us and it becomes Sabrina's impatientness ('negotiations' with Sendai - FAIL; talk with Riona - did good enough, but barely; Ono... well, Ono).
So I don't really think Sabrina's got a need to vent at Homu. It would be cute, sure, and we've had Sabrina cry and vent about things now and then, but right now... I don't see the need. While we have dealt with some shit lately, there's been so much fluff in between stressful moments, I already felt Sabrina unwind more than enough times about all of it.
So I'd like to emphasize the third incentive for 'venting':
1 - De-stress.
2 - Have a cute moment with Homu.
3 - Help Homu understand us better.
Could we have a middle ground, perhaps?
Not... VENTING!!!!1!one!, but...
Homu part Protovote:
[ ] Talk with Homura while shopping.
-[ ] Be mindful to not overwhelm her. Clarify you just want someone to hear you out, and she's your closest confident.
-[ ] Share your problems and recurring frustrations about trying to help Magical Girls, about dealing with the Witchbomb, and with KB.
-[ ] Don't make this all about you, if Homura wants to talk, give her space.
-[ ] Don't let the serious talk take too much of the trip. Thank Homura for listening.
After that, I think most of everything after in RA's vote is stuff we need to do:
Checking on Hijiri could wait until we've seen Anri.
Also not sure what science we'd go for?
Oh wait, there's one thing we might want to do, passively, and that is enchanting Grief, so we can have it later if we need to talk with Sayaka in private, so we don't have to go into trance then and there.
-[ ] Enchant Grief to make a Privacy Device later.
Maybe two, if we might want to talk with Anri about witchbomb stuff.
To be honest, I've never been so much on the Homuvent train. Sabrina's her own character, yes, but we are part of that, and we shaped her with our directions and with the consequences of the medium we use to direct her. That is to say, the time dilation in between RL and IC Quest time has affected Sabrina for good and ill.
For good, because we get lots more time than anybody IC to deal with things as they happen and that reflects in lots of Sabrina's actions, which usually helps make good decisions. For ill because sometimes that works against us and it becomes Sabrina's impatientness ('negotiations' with Sendai - FAIL; talk with Riona - did good enough, but barely; Ono... well, Ono).
So I don't really think Sabrina's got a need to vent at Homu. It would be cute, sure, and we've had Sabrina cry and vent about things now and then, but right now... I don't see the need. While we have dealt with some shit lately, there's been so much fluff in between stressful moments, I already felt Sabrina unwind more than enough times about all of it.
So I'd like to emphasize the third incentive for 'venting':
1 - De-stress.
2 - Have a cute moment with Homu.
3 - Help Homu understand us better.
Could we have a middle ground, perhaps?
Not... VENTING!!!!1!one!, but...
Homu part Protovote:
[ ] Talk with Homura while shopping.
-[ ] Be mindful to not overwhelm her. Clarify you just want someone to hear you out, and she's your closest confident.
-[ ] Share your problems and recurring frustrations about trying to help Magical Girls, about dealing with the Witchbomb, and with KB.
-[ ] Don't make this all about you, if Homura wants to talk, give her space.
-[ ] Don't let the serious talk take too much of the trip. Thank Homura for listening.
After that, I think most of everything after in RA's vote is stuff we need to do:
Well, not certain we need to check in with Akemi and Saito.
Checking on Hijiri could wait until we've seen Anri.
Also not sure what science we'd go for?
Oh wait, there's one thing we might want to do, passively, and that is enchanting Grief, so we can have it later if we need to talk with Sayaka in private, so we don't have to go into trance then and there.
-[ ] Enchant Grief to make a Privacy Device later.
Maybe two, if we might want to talk with Anri about witchbomb stuff.
Lord Chungus
God of Nutella
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I.. don't really buy that. I can see where it's coming from, but if we say "we can do this!", I doubt Homura will outright say "no, you can't". If anything she'll just frown, or show mild dissaproval without outright saying that we can't.
And if she does, or if Sayaka pushes her to say so? I think if anything, Homira's cynicisim might just push Sayaka to fight for us even harder. Sayak's optimistic, and I think she'll trust our optimism over Homura's cynicism, and it'll make the conflict more personal.
If Homura says "no, it won't work, everything will be awful forever" (which I don't think she will), the 'goal' in Sayaka's mind goes from "help Sabrina reverse de-witchification, because it would make the world a much better place" to "help Sabrina with dewitchification, to make the world a better place and prove to Homura that we can win".
Sayaka thinks of Homura as an ally, and if the goal shifts to include showing that ally that it's good to have hope? Honestly, I think that would help Sayaka.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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- My own little world
I would not be surprised at all if they end up trying something. And, if so, and if we can confirm that they have it would be another point in favor. (And good reason to fill them in on our findings and/or induct them into the research group if they so wished.)
The evidence --and just as importantly the potential good --- is strong enough that I definitely feel like we should find a way to check next time we meet them. (which I expect will probably be later today or Friday when they come to us about work they can do around town) The real question is what preliminary work can be done to shore things up or further solidify the theory.
Thus far the ideas in my head for pre-verifying are:
1: Talk to Homura about their reaction.
2: See if they've done anything to the clear seed.
3: (on the day itself) Ask Nadia outright. (honestly, I think I shy away from asking Nadia things a lot of the time because I don't want to be a bother >.>)
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[x] Head to school.
--[x] Have fun with your friends.
[x] Don't prompt Sayaka about her decision unless she brings it up.
--[x] If she does, cut to voting.
[x] Go shopping with Homura.
-[x] Share your problems and recurring frustrations about trying to help Magical Girls, dealing with the Witchbomb, and QB.
--[x] Don't overwhelm her, or make this all about you. You just want someone to hear you out, and you trust her. Give her space to talk too.
-[x] Don't let the serious talk take too much of the trip. Have some fun, and thank Homura for listening.
[x] Afterwards:
--[x] Enchant some grief in the background.
--[x] Telepathy with Yuki. Schedule a meeting with Airi. Ask about her mental state.
--[x] Once Kyoko's awake, arrange to meet up early enough to return for to school for lunch.
--[x] Contact the University group and ask if they know of any groups that could use help.
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--[x] Have fun with your friends.
[x] Don't prompt Sayaka about her decision unless she brings it up.
--[x] If she does, cut to voting.
[x] Go shopping with Homura.
-[x] Share your problems and recurring frustrations about trying to help Magical Girls, dealing with the Witchbomb, and QB.
--[x] Don't overwhelm her, or make this all about you. You just want someone to hear you out, and you trust her. Give her space to talk too.
-[x] Don't let the serious talk take too much of the trip. Have some fun, and thank Homura for listening.
[x] Afterwards:
--[x] Enchant some grief in the background.
--[x] Telepathy with Yuki. Schedule a meeting with Airi. Ask about her mental state.
--[x] Once Kyoko's awake, arrange to meet up early enough to return for to school for lunch.
--[x] Contact the University group and ask if they know of any groups that could use help.
145 words.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
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- Not the asylum anymore
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- She/Her
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Homura normally hits the JSDF around now, but we told mom that our allowance was running low, and she apparently agreed to detour and hit some more Yakuza for another few million USD just for us.
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- Not the asylum anymore
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- She/Her
Homura normally hits the JSDF around now, but we told mom that our allowance was running low, and she apparently agreed to detour and hit some more Yakuza for another few million USD just for us.
Okay, then. Just wondering if it had to be specified.
[X] Redshirt Army
Lord Chungus
God of Nutella
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- The Hague (it’s where all the cool people are)
You raise good points against venting too much, but I disagree that we've unwound back into normalcy. Sort of. We're not nearly as frustrated as we were before, but our frustrations haven't disappeared; they just stopped being at the forefront of our mind. We unwound, sure, but not because we dealt with our frustrations and talked about them. They just... stopped being relevant to the conversation, so we didn't talk about them.
We're not suddenly fine with all the things my vote has us vent about, they're just not an issue right this moment. If we don't vent about it, get our issues out with someone who cares about us and understands those problems, then the next time we come across a stupid Meguca who doesn't want to be saved, those frustrations will boil over again, and then we'll probably do this again. I know that I would like to see those frustrations addressed, and any advice Homura can give us will be worth its (metaphorical) weight in gold.
If I'm reading it correctly, your proto-vote has us sort-of vent to Homura instead of fully venting. I... don't really see how this helps Homura understand us better than if we full-on vented to her. It has Sabrina be more calm and less emotional, but I don't really see how that would make her understand us better.
I guess my main issue with your reasoning is this bit here:
Essentially, I think that while we have unwound, it was because the situation around us changed, not because we changed. As I said before, we never fully confronted our frustrations, we just sort of waited them out. And if we don't fully vent? The next time the situation is like what it was before, if nothing changes? We're going to react the same way, because we didn't fully vent about stuff, and get our frustrations out there in full.
Now venting can only do so much, given that the thread affects Sabrina's thoughts, but I think this would be good for the thread as well. Sabrina has those frustrations because we have those frustrations, and getting some catharsis would be good for us.
Now, I've stolen a few bits, to make sure we don't overwhelm Homura. Vote now looks like this, with bits in red being added in.
[x] Head out to school
--[x] Have fun with your friends.
[x] Don't prompt Sayaka about her decision. Don't mention it unless she brings it up.
--[x] If she does, talk to her privately and cut to voting.
[X] Go shopping with Homura
--[x] Ask if you can vent to her. Clarify you just want someone to hear you out, and she's your closest confident.
--[x] Vent to her. Get everything out. Your frustrations with Rionna and girls like her who refuse to listen to you, your frustration with having to tiptoe around your friends, everything.
--[x] And to make things worse, any attempt to solve those issues would probably blow up in your face! You don't want to tiptoe around Mami and Madoka and the others, but witchbombing them is even worse! You want magical girls to listen to you, but if you force them to do what you say then you'll end up a tyrant! You can't do anything!
--[x] If she seems overwhelmed at any point, slow down.
--[x] Don't mention the PotentialBomb, Homucifer, Madokami, or other topics you don't want to tell Homura right now.
[x] Invite Homura to share her frustrations, and comfort her.
[ ] Ask if you can vent to her. Clarify you just want someone to hear you out, and she's your closest confident Is so Homura's prepared for us to vent, and isn't suddenly dealing with an emotional Sabrina without any foreknowledge.
[ ] If she seems overwhelmed at any point, slow down Is so we don't, well, overwhelm her.
[ ] Invite Homura to share her frustrations, and comfort her Is, well, inviting Homura to vent to us. It shows we support her, and we're here for her, without any major risks. If she wants to vent? She does, and we comfort her. If she doesn't? Nothing happens, and we continue with our shopping.
Fake Edit: The Redshirt vote seems okay, but it's less... vent-y. We still vent, of course, but it's less 'screaming about our frustrations' and more 'you know, this really sucks'. Also, no inviting Homura to vent.
Real edit: Maybe... I think we should be less "scream our heart out" and more "get frustrated and angry and reflect that". Yeah, 'screaming' wasn't good word choice on my part. Still, the Redshirt vote doesn't seem vent-y enough, less like a heartfelt venting session and more like Sabrina's a teenager cheerfully chatting with her friends about how she got grounded and her mom took her phone and ohmahgawd, doesn't my life suck? Too... calm and collected to actually do what venting is supposed to acheive.
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